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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 16, 2017 13:06:53 GMT -6
Gotta level match it...ouch. But, to repeat a phrase I used yesterday - night and day. If it's too much, I will say this EQ handles it with forgiving grace. What amazes me is how do 0s and 1s modeling a vintage box of transistors manage to bring to life the emotion that was waiting to be fully revealed in your song? Quite an achievement. Shouldn't be that much of a level difference at all. Maybe the box player was all the way up on one and not on the other? I noticed it attenuates ...
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Post by ChaseUTB on Mar 16, 2017 13:15:54 GMT -6
Didn't hear it doing a ton at 12kHz...but I spent 20 minutes doing it, so who knows. Wish the Pearl had a 10kHz boost. That's kind of what I was getting at the 12khz while may not sound like doing much, once you A/B a few times with the 12khz boost in vs out I'm sure you would start to hear it. Also, who is to say you would be wrong for adding 3 more Db than you were using at 12khz... if you boosted 1.5db boost 4db and A/B til you find your sweet spot... With the clipping lower the output/ ceiling to -.5 to -.8dbfs you should be good even for MFiT/ MP3 's ....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 13:21:40 GMT -6
What is really noticeable too is how as well as nice depth the JK mix seems to smooth and shape the vocal and give it a really nice timbre ( around 30 seconds in the phrase "You're mystical, I know you're soul" for example - awesome lyric btw). Pearl = win.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 16, 2017 13:22:33 GMT -6
BTW - I have no idea what I'm doing with the whole mastering/limiting/.whatever shit...
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 16, 2017 13:23:56 GMT -6
What is really noticeable too is how as well as nice depth the JK mix seems to smooth and shape the vocal and give it a really nice timbre ( around 30 seconds in the phrase "You're mystical, I know you're soul" for example - awesome lyric btw). Pearl = win. That would have been a good lyric...except it's "You missed the call/I know you saw"
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 16, 2017 13:27:24 GMT -6
And keep in mind that I didn't send the Pearl version to Aria for mastering. I have a feeling leaving the limiting to Aria would work even better.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 13:47:37 GMT -6
What is really noticeable too is how as well as nice depth the JK mix seems to smooth and shape the vocal and give it a really nice timbre ( around 30 seconds in the phrase "You're mystical, I know you're soul" for example - awesome lyric btw). Pearl = win. That would have been a good lyric...except it's "You missed the call/I know you saw" lol i'ts mine now then ....
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 16, 2017 13:51:23 GMT -6
lol
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Post by donr on Mar 16, 2017 14:47:40 GMT -6
JK, the biggest difference between the two versions is JK's has more mid and less side. You ducked the vocal and snare smack a bit in the first version, and the song is better in the second verson for not having the m/s tweaking. The EQ does sound sweet in the second. Not too sibilant on AKG K712's.
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Post by ludwigvanbeartrap on Mar 16, 2017 15:32:37 GMT -6
I haven't used it yet, but I gather there's a bug in the standalone compressor of the Pearl 2 bundle where the phase gets reversed when the preamp is engaged. Don't think that's the case with the strip compressor. A fix is supposed to be forthcoming. I will say that the compressor in the strip sounds totally unique from every other plugin compressor I've ever heard. Don't know what it's good for yet, though!
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Post by jcoutu1 on Mar 16, 2017 15:35:19 GMT -6
Is it the consensus that the Pearl 2 is the top of the heap for 2 buss eq?
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 16, 2017 16:07:47 GMT -6
JK, the biggest difference between the two versions is JK's has more mid and less side. You ducked the vocal and snare smack a bit in the first version, and the song is better in the second verson for not having the m/s tweaking. The EQ does sound sweet in the second. Not too sibilant on AKG K712's. You're probably right. I probably use too much m/s witchery. But I did turn up the sides on the Vari Mu. I could see the Pearl replacing the MusEQ in my chain, though.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 16, 2017 16:08:51 GMT -6
Is it the consensus that the Pearl 2 is the top of the heap for 2 buss eq? Try it out and see what you think. I don't have any 2 bus HW EQ. Love to see how those that have it thinks it compares.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 16:22:27 GMT -6
Gonna try Pearl. Wanted to try Navy but I could never get the demo to generate a .ser file. Jeepers, just spent the last hour trying to get pearl to generate an ser. file. It seems to spit the dummy if you install in to any other than the default programme file suggestion. Tried my normal plug in route and it wouldn't play so had to go with program files/vst which the installer created.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 16, 2017 16:25:02 GMT -6
I only opted for the EQ in the demo and now don't think I can get the other two demos. How is the compressor? I'm about convinced enough to pay that much for just the EQ.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 17:01:43 GMT -6
I got the channel strip to trial. Probably need to read the instructions but Compressor / Limiter on that is really good. EQ is another level from the Magenta. avgatzeblouz & ludwigvanbeartrap thanks for your gentle persistence with this, really positive so far. JK, just ran a mix through this that I had also ran through aria. Stuck a limiter after the Pearl and compared the 2. Gonna play a bit more, but might have to join this cult real soon.
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Post by avgatzeblouz on Mar 16, 2017 17:24:57 GMT -6
I got the channel strip to trial. Probably need to read the instructions but Compressor / Limiter on that is really good. EQ is another level from the Magenta. avgatzeblouz & ludwigvanbeartrap thanks for your gentle persistence with this, really positive so far. JK, just ran a mix through this that I had also ran through aria. Stuck a limiter after the Pearl and compared the 2. Gonna play a bit more, but might have to join this cult real soon. You're welcome, man ! But it is no cult, it never should be (for an audio thing !). A community ? Definitely. And a fun one.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 17:29:17 GMT -6
I don't mind cults lol. Seriously, I was holding back on my comments until I've slept on it and listened again tomorrow. But right now my thoughts are that the Pearl blew the other mix out the water.
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Post by avgatzeblouz on Mar 16, 2017 17:33:32 GMT -6
Well Pearl is the best thing in pluginland I have heard. So you're already with the best of Acustica as well ! Get it while you can ! Emerald is very close, btw, and I find the bottom end tighter.
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Post by avgatzeblouz on Mar 16, 2017 17:41:44 GMT -6
I do mind cults ! Especially for a software, or a brand (like windows vs mac) it is an ego battle I can't stand with. But I will say loud what I think is the best. And Tchad Blake or Tom Elmhirst must not even know about Acustica and yet deliver the best mixes ever. So... no cult !
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Post by donr on Mar 16, 2017 17:51:17 GMT -6
JK, the biggest difference between the two versions is JK's has more mid and less side. You ducked the vocal and snare smack a bit in the first version, and the song is better in the second verson for not having the m/s tweaking. The EQ does sound sweet in the second. Not too sibilant on AKG K712's. You're probably right. I probably use too much m/s witchery. But I did turn up the sides on the Vari Mu. I could see the Pearl replacing the MusEQ in my chain, though. Don't sell your vocal short in the mix, John! How else is an artist going to know your song's got soul?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 18:36:09 GMT -6
What amazes me is how do 0s and 1s modeling a vintage box of transistors manage to bring to life the emotion that was waiting to be fully revealed in your song? Digital, amazing since 1982... ;-) 0 and 1 can bring emotion to life, otherwise we would have to work in the analog domain from recording to media. The idea of reducing complex real world phenomena into a chain of only 2 states always tends to mislead to the idea of unsufficency. But it works. Sufficiently. As good as the converters. The main idea behind dynamic convolution technologies for recording and reproducing processors is as simple as it is hard to implement in realtime ... What kind of transfer function / algorithm brings material in the audible domain nearest to the analog chain processing? If you come to the idea of sampling/digital recording, coming to convolution and dynamic convolution seems like a logical evolutionary sequence of digital processing techniques that evolves with the progression of modern electronics and it's resulting available computing power. The most amazing thing about this for me personally is the demystification of audio itself. It is hard to discuss esoterical, superficial ideas about sound if you can process and reproduce it with digital math / 0 and 1 and prove the success e.g. with ABX tests. (Yes, i know, some do not find this valid. I do.) The restricted quality of the early digital era and wrong usage of digital signal processing which induced unpleasant digital clipping distortion led many to the impression that digital CAN not be as good as analog for audio. Most of the time it is not better or worse in terms of fidelity, just different in handling. Of course. the big advantage is the fidelity of the media, especially in regards to cost.
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Post by ludwigvanbeartrap on Mar 16, 2017 20:51:32 GMT -6
I only opted for the EQ in the demo and now don't think I can get the other two demos. How is the compressor? I'm about convinced enough to pay that much for just the EQ. I was sold just on the EQ. Figured if it was that good, there must be other good things I would discover later. Played with the strip EQ/compressor a little on the mix buss tonight. Wasn't in love with the preamp, so I left that turned off. In the strip it's fixed in following the EQ. On individual tracks, I've read some guys like it on a drum bus, others feel it can be "grabby". Not many ratio options: Limit/2:1/3:1 On the software mix buss, I'm more interested in using it at its lowest settings on the way out to my hardware mix buss/ homebrew mastering chain. I like to use several total SW and HW compressors, all doing very light compression. So, it's what it does to the tone that I wanted to check out tonight, and there I found it fairly clean and transparent. I like it. Reminded me a bit of my OCL-2, which to me is always like a drink of cool, crystal clear spring water. The Pearl has that quality, with a little extra character and color, but also sounds somehow more direct and focused. Hope that's not too subjective and vague. Just my first impressions. As with all new gear, it takes me weeks to get really fluent with it!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 15:58:07 GMT -6
Been testing the Pearl2 strip quite bit. It is very good. There are a couple of things that I'm not too keen on though. Firstly it will change the shape of the stereo image (narrows the image and pushes the mids up) which is something that can be fixed with another plug if you think it necessary. I also found a slight slurring / smearing of the audio (faint but noticeable). Both these characteristics are probably consistent with the hardware that was modelled and in that respect the question is do you like the hardware? I wasn't able to get it to behave in the zero latency mode at all, and would incur clicks and pops however I set my interface (have no problems normally) so maybe don't have enough CPU for this (quad core 3.2 overclocked to about 3.8) This couldn't live with a mix I put through my hardware chain however much I wanted it to, and it still sounded slightly flat in comparison. I then used a mix I stuck through the Aria online mastering process to test it against. As above it was narrower but also lost some of the verb tails compared to the Aria. Finally (on a buddies machine) I made a channel strip up out of Slate VMR / VBC, and also Kush Electra / UBK and put these up against the Pearl2 and the Aria mix.
All the plugs will get you there, they're close and all good, but I preferred Kush, followed by Acqua then Slate . UBK / Electra are incredibly versatile comp and eq's, and so easy to dial in a great sound . To me the sound quality was up there and easily as good as Acqua but friendlier CPU wise.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 19, 2017 20:38:17 GMT -6
Have you tried just the EQ? Do the same thing? I never got to demo the strip or comp.
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