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Post by tonycamphd on Dec 4, 2014 12:02:31 GMT -6
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Post by ericn on Dec 4, 2014 12:15:32 GMT -6
Up is my starting point as is the equilateral triangle.
My wife still tells people about the 100 sets of pencil marks on the floor of one of our early Apts trying to find the perfect speaker placement .
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 4, 2014 12:20:50 GMT -6
My speakers are designed to be on their side. I orient with the tweeters out only because I assumed tweeters out would give a better stereo image. Never even thought to have the tweeters in.  |
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Post by tonycamphd on Dec 4, 2014 14:06:20 GMT -6
this is a pretty compelling read i got off another site...
"Even though you see a lot of NS10s sideways, they were originally conceived as being upright. People only did this because they were one of the first near-field monitors on the market and no-one knew how to set them up behind their console as to not block the view. People just tended to copy each other and eventually Yamaha caught on and changed the direction of the logos to suit what everyone was doing.
In reality though, speakers are designed to sit upright because of phase alignment of the crossover. When you are sitting down and mixing, you don't tend to move up and down vertically across your monitor. The idea is that you should have your ear level to the crossover point of the monitor so as to not cause any phase alignment issues between the woofer and tweeter (and midrange drivers if you're three-way or more). The crossover point can be anywhere across the monitor vertically - the manufacturer decides where it is and aligns the phase at that point. It's commonly at the tweeter, but it can be between the woofer and tweeter or directly on the woofer. It's at this point that the frequencies that are crossing over between the woofer and tweeter are aligned in phase.
The inherent problem with laying your near-fields flat is that you tend to move back and forth across your desk/work surface/console. This is when the crossover frequencies are falling in and out of phase as you move horizontally across your flat monitors. When you set them up vertically, moving horizontally does not affect the phase of the crossover."
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2014 14:20:54 GMT -6
I voted up. But when i had monitors laying down in the past, i positioned them with tweeters in. Couldn't get the stereo image right with the tweeters out...can't remember exactly, why...
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Post by M57 on Dec 4, 2014 18:07:41 GMT -6
this is a pretty compelling read i got off another site... "Even though you see a lot of NS10s sideways, they were originally conceived as being upright. People only did this because they were one of the first near-field monitors on the market and no-one knew how to set them up behind their console as to not block the view. People just tended to copy each other and eventually Yamaha caught on and changed the direction of the logos to suit what everyone was doing.
In reality though, speakers are designed to sit upright because of phase alignment of the crossover. When you are sitting down and mixing, you don't tend to move up and down vertically across your monitor. The idea is that you should have your ear level to the crossover point of the monitor so as to not cause any phase alignment issues between the woofer and tweeter (and midrange drivers if you're three-way or more). The crossover point can be anywhere across the monitor vertically - the manufacturer decides where it is and aligns the phase at that point. It's commonly at the tweeter, but it can be between the woofer and tweeter or directly on the woofer. It's at this point that the frequencies that are crossing over between the woofer and tweeter are aligned in phase.
The inherent problem with laying your near-fields flat is that you tend to move back and forth across your desk/work surface/console. This is when the crossover frequencies are falling in and out of phase as you move horizontally across your flat monitors. When you set them up vertically, moving horizontally does not affect the phase of the crossover."I voted up - and I'm feeling pretty smug about my decision after reading this post.  |
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Post by wiz on Dec 4, 2014 18:29:18 GMT -6
I spent a lot of time, with my wife and daughter moving the monitors whilst I listened, drew a mark, moved... repeat et all...
Mine ended up NOT in a equilateral triangle. They face directly frontwards. Its just where it sounded best.
Start where convention says.. then move em around till they sound best, mark and leave there...
If you want to know what your monitors sound like... take em outside and set em up......
dont do that in the rain 8)
cheers
Wiz
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Post by levon on Dec 5, 2014 0:46:05 GMT -6
My tweeters are neither in nor out, they are center. I got A77Xs. My Auratones, wait....  |
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