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Post by seawell on Mar 1, 2024 0:53:37 GMT -6
I've had my eye on Kiive plug-ins for a while now. It may finally be time to check them out. It looks like "N Fuse" is a SSL Fusion and RND MBT in a single plug-in to me. Could be cool! www.kiiveaudio.com/products/nfuse |
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 1, 2024 4:55:19 GMT -6
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Post by andersmv on Mar 1, 2024 10:01:20 GMT -6
I wonder what the N and F stand for? Too subtle for my brain to process  . I laughed when I saw this because it was so blatant, I'm wondering how companies get away with stuff like this. At the same time, I want to try it at some point. Let me know if you're going to do a video Josh, I'll hold off and get some work done in the meantime.... |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Mar 1, 2024 10:19:46 GMT -6
I wonder what the N and F stand for? Too subtle for my brain to process . I laughed when I saw this because it was so blatant, I'm wondering how companies get away with stuff like this. At the same time, I want to try it at some point. Let me know if you're going to do a video Josh, I'll hold off and get some work done in the meantime.... Same reaction exactly. 1) wow, that's not subtle 2) WTH do those letters mean? 3) is there a trial, cuz I'm sold! |
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Post by noob on Mar 1, 2024 10:23:43 GMT -6
The demo doesn't make me regret buying the MBT, so that's good. Plugin seems like a nice tool though!
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 1, 2024 11:23:16 GMT -6
I’m no EE but I think it means No Fucking way we’ll get called on this shit ?  |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Mar 3, 2024 16:12:42 GMT -6
I’m no EE but I think it means No Fucking way we’ll get called on this shit ? The UI is basically a picture of the units they're copying. It's amazingly brazen. |
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Post by paulcheeba on Mar 4, 2024 4:13:11 GMT -6
It must be taking the piss out of all the GS no nothings that argue all day about which one to buy etc. now they can have both and their self entitled lazy asses can be happy in the high end.
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Post by Dan on Mar 4, 2024 7:30:48 GMT -6
So many emulations of nice gear and here I am still using emulations of noisy bullshit like the Tascam 688 midistudio and Altec 1567a. I just bought soundtoys radiator because little radiator did the job on some di guitars. They sound huge.
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Post by jaba on Mar 4, 2024 9:02:46 GMT -6
So many emulations of nice gear and here I am still using emulations of noisy bullshit like the Tascam 688 midistudio and Altec 1567a. I just bought soundtoys radiator because little radiator did the job on some di guitars. They sound huge. This is hilarious but I know exactly what you mean. I'm all for great hardware and striving for it but I do love the Fuse 68. Sometimes when something needs to be "special" in a mix the solution isn't a Pultec (etc) emulation, but goddamn cassette 4-track or guitar pedal plugs. Maybe I just hear things weird. |
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Post by sirthought on Mar 5, 2024 15:20:35 GMT -6
So many emulations of nice gear and here I am still using emulations of noisy bullshit like the Tascam 688 midistudio and Altec 1567a. I just bought soundtoys radiator because little radiator did the job on some di guitars. They sound huge. I would have figured the Sound Toys was no go for you with a lack of oversampling. |
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Post by sirthought on Mar 5, 2024 15:22:36 GMT -6
This Kiive plugin looks really nice. These all-in-one style finishing channel strips are something I've stayed away from, as my two channel chain has a lot of stuff I've really worked to consider what it's doing for me. Throwing a channel strip in there kind of tosses that work out the window.
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Post by spud on Mar 6, 2024 7:52:53 GMT -6
Don't know the original hardware but this is a really cool plugin, love the Neve saturation & compression... I'm less of a fan of EQs/imager and anything SSL though.
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Post by ericn on Mar 6, 2024 14:13:38 GMT -6
I’m no EE but I think it means No Fucking way we’ll get called on this shit ? The UI is basically a picture of the units they're copying. It's amazingly brazen. I’ll bet their are some lawyers paying very close attention to these threads😁 |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Mar 6, 2024 14:18:16 GMT -6
The UI is basically a picture of the units they're copying. It's amazingly brazen. I’ll bet their are some lawyers paying very close attention to these threads😁 It's a tricky one because I love that people are emulating modern hardware for plugins, but I also have a soft spot for RND being a Texas based company with an absolutely sterling reputation 'round these parts. Just cuz it's RND doesn't mean they're immune to margin squeezes and the same economic forces that every company is struggling with. It would be heartbreaking to see a company like that go down. I would be livid if I were them. I mean, imagine if someone did this with the Silver Bullet, we'd all be up in arms defending our friends at LTL. |
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Post by ericn on Mar 6, 2024 15:06:39 GMT -6
I’ll bet their are some lawyers paying very close attention to these threads😁 It's a tricky one because I love that people are emulating modern hardware for plugins, but I also have a soft spot for RND being a Texas based company with an absolutely sterling reputation 'round these parts. Just cuz it's RND doesn't mean they're immune to margin squeezes and the same economic forces that every company is struggling with. It would be heartbreaking to see a company like that go down. I would be livid if I were them. I mean, imagine if someone did this with the Silver Bullet, we'd all be up in arms defending our friends at LTL. Just a hunch but I’ll bet they think they are OK because in the past plugin vendors have done cleaver but obvious names and great job of copying face plates of gear where the intellectual property rights have all expired and there are Licensed versions. What these guys probably don’t understand is that those were all done to avoid one simple image that still had a current copyright, the manufacturers name. This is one where even if this company were to win, RND and SSL could drive them out of business simply by dragging out any legal action. |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Mar 6, 2024 16:40:19 GMT -6
It's a tricky one because I love that people are emulating modern hardware for plugins, but I also have a soft spot for RND being a Texas based company with an absolutely sterling reputation 'round these parts. Just cuz it's RND doesn't mean they're immune to margin squeezes and the same economic forces that every company is struggling with. It would be heartbreaking to see a company like that go down. I would be livid if I were them. I mean, imagine if someone did this with the Silver Bullet, we'd all be up in arms defending our friends at LTL. Just a hunch but I’ll bet they think they are OK because in the past plugin vendors have done cleaver but obvious names and great job of copying face plates of gear where the intellectual property rights have all expired and there are Licensed versions. What these guys probably don’t understand is that those were all done to avoid one simple image that still had a current copyright, the manufacturers name. This is one where even if this company were to win, RND and SSL could drive them out of business simply by dragging out any legal action. Exactly. The IP on a gray face LA2A expired ages ago I would imagine (or did it? I don't know) so you only have to worry about the trademark. In this case RND could be like "uhh... guys this is very clearly based on the product that we registered like 5 years ago and very clearly impacts our ability to sell it in a material way." |
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Post by robo on Mar 6, 2024 17:57:31 GMT -6
Interesting conversation. I think soon enough most companies will be licensing “authorized” plugin versions of their hardware when releasing a new product. The way Klanghabitat, Audioscape, others have done recently.
As far as Kiive goes, it seems all their plugs are based on hardware with some tweaks. It’s not my favorite approach, but it’s caught my interest a couple times. I’m inclined to let lawyers hash out what’s fair game or not.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Mar 6, 2024 18:21:20 GMT -6
Interesting conversation. I think soon enough most companies will be licensing “authorized” plugin versions of their hardware when releasing a new product. The way Klanghabitat, Audioscape, others have done recently. As far as Kiive goes, it seems all their plugs are based on hardware with some tweaks. It’s not my favorite approach, but it’s caught my interest a couple times. I’m inclined to let lawyers hash out what’s fair game or not. Don't get me wrong. This is a plugin I will very likely consider! |
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Post by Dan on Mar 6, 2024 19:05:09 GMT -6
So many emulations of nice gear and here I am still using emulations of noisy bullshit like the Tascam 688 midistudio and Altec 1567a. I just bought soundtoys radiator because little radiator did the job on some di guitars. They sound huge. I would have figured the Sound Toys was no go for you with a lack of oversampling. soundtoys oversamples. Decapitator and Radiator have anti-alias filters and pre-ringing in the impulse response but some of the filters internal to the plugins cramp. Decapitator just sounds good until it doesn’t and you have to pull back or filter it. Radiator sounds cool. Decapitator gets a bad name from producers just decking it and blending the distorted, gritty, fuzzed out, and clipped version of the signal in parallel so the notes peak out. |
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Post by Dan on Mar 6, 2024 19:07:16 GMT -6
It must be taking the piss out of all the GS no nothings that argue all day about which one to buy etc. now they can have both and their self entitled lazy asses can be happy in the high end. yep hardware that won’t save their poor mixes that have much bigger issues than a cool tone. They might as well buy a Drawmer 1968 or an EL Fatso because they’ll hide more. |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Mar 6, 2024 23:12:34 GMT -6
I have to say it's pretty cool how fast the dev is implementing feedback over on the purple site.
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Post by noob on Mar 7, 2024 8:35:12 GMT -6
I have to say it's pretty cool how fast the dev is implementing feedback over on the purple site. It's interesting how they are calling people cringy for bringing up the blatant copying of patented products. I don't think these things usually end in major disputes, usually just creates a licensing agreement behind closed doors - but this is also not *nothing.* Kiive even writes on the website: I mean, what else could Kiive be referring to? Not to mention, the dev is on the purple site basically constantly confirming that it's a direct copy of the MBT and SSL hardware. As people say "The MBT hardware does this, can you make it more like the hardware" (paraphrasing) and the dev is like "Yep! No problem!" On one hand I love that, but on the other hand you can't get much more blatant than that. Do people realize that what they write can be used against them in court? Apparently not... If I am SSL and Neve lawyers, I am licking my chops right now to at least flesh out a licensing agreement behind closed doors to take a big cut of these sales. |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Mar 7, 2024 9:20:12 GMT -6
I have to say it's pretty cool how fast the dev is implementing feedback over on the purple site. It's interesting how they are calling people cringy for bringing up the blatant copying of patented products. I don't think these things usually end in major disputes, usually just creates a licensing agreement behind closed doors - but this is also not *nothing.* Kiive even writes on the website: I mean, what else could Kiive be referring to? Not to mention, the dev is on the purple site basically constantly confirming that it's a direct copy of the MBT and SSL hardware. As people say "The MBT hardware does this, can you make it more like the hardware" (paraphrasing) and the dev is like "Yep! No problem!" On one hand I love that, but on the other hand you can't get much more blatant than that. Do people realize that what they write can be used against them in court? Apparently not... If I am SSL and Neve lawyers, I am licking my chops right now to at least flesh out a licensing agreement behind closed doors to take a big cut of these sales. Maybe it's all an elaborate scheme to get a contract to license the hardware modeled plugin? That would be the old school Silicon Valley pirate approach. "Those bastards at SSL and RND won't call me back... I'll just make my product anyway and then they'll HAVE to talk to me." Honestly, if that was the angle I would kind of respect that. |
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Post by ericn on Mar 7, 2024 9:22:32 GMT -6
Interesting conversation. I think soon enough most companies will be licensing “authorized” plugin versions of their hardware when releasing a new product. The way Klanghabitat, Audioscape, others have done recently. As far as Kiive goes, it seems all their plugs are based on hardware with some tweaks. It’s not my favorite approach, but it’s caught my interest a couple times. I’m inclined to let lawyers hash out what’s fair game or not. I honestly doubt if you will see many do it, first the manufacturer isn’t going to make S much on a plugin license as an actual sale, also having the gear out there drives demand without having to invest as much in advertising. |
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