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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 9, 2024 3:21:31 GMT -6
Have been bemused recently, Audioscape is selling new ssl comp b stock with warranty for just under $700, meanwhile on reverb people are asking more than that for used?  A guy here locally was selling one, he was 3rd owner, no box etc. he was asking $750 cdn, not bad, but if it needs repairs, easy $150- 200 to ship/return insured to FLA plus repairs., so the new b stock would be better, similar money, new and warranty . I discussed this with guy, re: price flexibility , he pulled his add and folded his tents in the night. Oh well, c’est la vie! |
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Post by thehightenor on Feb 9, 2024 5:04:29 GMT -6
Have been bemused recently, Audioscape is selling new ssl comp b stock with warranty for just under $700, meanwhile on reverb people are asking more than that for used? A guy here locally was selling one, he was 3rd owner, no box etc. he was asking $750 cdn, not bad, but if it needs repairs, easy $150- 200 to ship/return insured to FLA plus repairs., so the new b stock would be better, similar money, new and warranty . I discussed this with guy, re: price flexibility , he pulled his add and folded his tents in the night. Oh well, c’est la vie! I see guys on eBay all the time asking more for their second hand gear than the new price. Like an LA2A for £5K when SX Pro are selling were £4.5K new!!
I sometimes message them to ask them what planet their on (well not quite like that - just what gives)
Or more bonkers to me (for example) a Boss Chorus pedal for £195 when a new one is £210.
Who buys a pedal second hand to save £15 when it will come with no warranty and it's ... erh .... SECOND HAND!!
What seems to have stopped is genuine bargains.
I've had some incredible bargains but they come few and far between these days.
I got a BAE 1073D new from well known a dealer for £900 instead of £2,300! (I don't know their reasoning but I grabbed it)
It was absolutely brand new and mint and sounds fantastic.
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Post by niklas1073 on Feb 9, 2024 5:05:57 GMT -6
Then ofcourse when the b stock is sold out the used ones might catch that price. With companies like AS and such who puts out a batch and thats it, the used market might not follow logic. I don’t know, haven't spotted used AS in a while to compare. But just a hunch
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Post by jeremygillespie on Feb 9, 2024 7:32:13 GMT -6
It’s worth whatever the market will allow it to be worth, even if it doesn’t make sense. Somebody might just not care. Who knows 🤷🏻♂️
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Post by copperx on Feb 9, 2024 7:41:43 GMT -6
People have been overvaluing their wares since the dawn of time. See any online marketplace for examples.
Offer price is rarely the sell price.
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 9, 2024 7:46:41 GMT -6
It’s worth whatever the market will allow it to be worth, even if it doesn’t make sense. Somebody might just not care. Who knows 🤷🏻♂️ Sort of but to me it’s only worth what I will pay:,an unreasonable price and seller are just that. For me an indicator of someone, I don’t want to buy from:) |
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Post by ericn on Feb 9, 2024 10:33:01 GMT -6
The used market for just about anything is always all over the map. Everybody thought technology and sites like EBay would lead to more informed and consistent pricing, but a large portion don’t understand the simple fact that fair market price is based on the agreed upon selling price not asking price. Some sellers think “ no ship” increases their value somehow because it’s local. Some sellers don’t base asking price on anything but their perception of value.
If you buy or sell on the used market you have to have tough skin, people are always going to act like your offer is insulting, but if you do your own research it’s not hard to show what things actually sell for.
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Post by seawell on Feb 9, 2024 10:40:15 GMT -6
All they need is 1 buyer and in this business someone is going to get impatient and think that one piece of gear is going to be the missing piece they've needed 🤣. The worst example of this I've seen over the past couple of years is Tube-Tech CL1B prices...geez!
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Post by ericn on Feb 9, 2024 13:35:10 GMT -6
All they need is 1 buyer and in this business someone is going to get impatient and think that one piece of gear is going to be the missing piece they've needed 🤣. The worst example of this I've seen over the past couple of years is Tube-Tech CL1B prices...geez! There are times when you absolutely do need it now, often I’m asked to track down a piece on a rider, and find one yesterday or someone book a studio with the understanding that a specific piece of kit would be available. So there are times when if it’s available and the seller will ship next day, the seller can name their price. |
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Post by poppaflavor on Feb 10, 2024 0:35:30 GMT -6
This was a helpful read, I'm gearing up to sell some gear. I promised my Lady a while back I'd sell some gear before using the proceeds to buy new gear. Problem is that I did that... in reverse  I put off the selling mostly because although I'm fairly thick skinned it's such a hassle to sell somewhere that then reports to the IRS (tax agency in the US) so I've got to write it off. And the fees are ridiculous. And trying to figure out fast and inexpensive shipping. And deal with low-ball offers and scammers. Bleh. But I got some boxes off Amazon and have been snapping pictures. Guitar pedals are first to go and I was really struggling with the pricing psychology. It's all over the place! As mentioned the used gear sometimes is nearly as expensive as the new gear and sometimes drastically lower. Looking at Reverb's selling price history shows a rollercoaster ride of price swings. The first tranche of gear to sell will be pretty easy to price though. I'm thinking fire sale pricing. I mostly just need to show visible evidence to mi'Lady that I'm genuinely moving stuff out (and not just finding evermore ingenious places to store incoming gear). What's really interesting is the GAS I somehow re-get when I box up stuff I haven't used in a year or more. I get Gollum-like twinges of "my precious" even though I know I don't need it anymore and can always rebuy it later (I'm not selling any rare or boutique stuff yet). It's becoming cathartic lol. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 10, 2024 4:45:00 GMT -6
Just remember Reverb prices went up a fair bit due to its increased costs
I gave up on reverb and use things like Kijiji, Facebook market place, Packing stuff carefully and well is part of good service and take pics to documents .
The scammers will often claim damage etc, to try and get you to send back some $ or return needlessly: a drag but part of the gig.
Good luck !
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Post by ninworks on Feb 10, 2024 5:37:22 GMT -6
Selling gear is a very frustrating process. Just because something sold yesterday for a certain amount on Reverb or Ebay doesn't mean you'll get that much for it. You have to be willing to take a substantial loss unless you have a 1940's Martin D-28 or something rare like that. Then the collectors get involved and drive the market prices even higher. I would much rather have a new U87 than a vintage one that looks good but has been through the ringer and got decades of spit and/or smoke build-up on the capsule, but the vintage price is always considerably higher just because some dude with a lot of money, who has 25 of them and maybe has never even plugged one in, is willing to pay the high price because it's "vintage." As for high end gear I think most of the used stuff is over inflated in price. One would think that all of the boutique gear clone manufacturers who build really phenomenal new gear would drive the prices of the genuine units down in price, but that doesn't seem to be the case. If is says Neve, API, BAE, etc, that automatically dictates a high price no matter how good some other less expensive brand may be even though it's just as good or maybe even better. The OEM manufacturers who are still building the desirable stuff recouped their development costs decades ago but still charge the astronomical prices for them when it doesn't cost a quarter or less of the asking price to build them. Sometimes there's some mojo that the original units have that nothing else does but that's not always the case at all. I would think the used market would reflect that but it usually doesn't. I'll admit that I have bought some of the "name brand" products that are supposed to have golden fairy dust in them and been very happy with them, BUT is a new AMS/Neve 1073 really as good as or better than a Great River MP-2NV? Maybe I'm deaf but I like the GR more than the new Neve but they are a little different sounding. Personally I like the sound of the GR more. Does an API 550 really sound better than a Capi BT50? If it does is the quality of how much better it sounds reflected in the price difference? I have never used a genuine 550 but the Capi is ridiculously good IMO. Certainly more than good enough for me. Now, get offa my lawn.  |
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