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Post by bossanova on Jan 19, 2024 15:45:46 GMT -6
Hey all, just like the title says.
Are there any in production dynamics that have a deliberately flat midrange like you would get from the above two mics? I remember that there was a Shure attempt at such a thing that ended in an 8 but is long out of production.
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Post by chessparov on Jan 19, 2024 16:19:41 GMT -6
The D24 like Sinatra used on "It Was A Very Good Year", is very cool.
But not sure how ruler flat it is.
EV RE55 would also be interesting to look into.
Both have gone way up in price over the years.
Chris
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Post by ericn on Jan 19, 2024 16:52:48 GMT -6
Re55 is probably the flatest Omni
Cardiod PL15 plus variable D so little to no proximity effect.
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Post by bossanova on Jan 19, 2024 17:14:31 GMT -6
The D24 like Sinatra used on "It Was A Very Good Year", is very cool. But not sure how ruler flat it is. EV RE55 would also be interesting to look into. Both have gone way up in price over the years. Chris Ah...yeah, that's one of the reasons why I'm looking for something that's still in production, due to the cost and condition of what's out there for discontinued models. |
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Post by recordingengineer on Jan 19, 2024 17:21:05 GMT -6
I wonder how flat it actually is, but the MBHO MBD 219 is probably my flattest dynamic.
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Post by ericn on Jan 19, 2024 17:27:02 GMT -6
I wonder how flat it actually is, but the MBHO MBD 219 is probably my flattest dynamic. You mean the only mics they don’t show a freq response graph for? |
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Post by chessparov on Jan 19, 2024 17:50:01 GMT -6
I'm a wee bit sensitive to graphic details myself.
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Post by ericn on Jan 19, 2024 19:25:25 GMT -6
I'm a wee bit sensitive to graphic details myself. I thought your sensitivity was to porn o Graphic detail, or am I confusing your sensibility?😁 |
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Post by christophert on Jan 19, 2024 19:29:15 GMT -6
A Km84 is far from flat.
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Post by jampa on Jan 20, 2024 3:33:52 GMT -6
Well, I found this online. Apparently the mic was from Norway radio and was their reference mic other km84s were compared to - it was on eBay but has since gone  Here ye |
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Post by recordingengineer on Jan 20, 2024 3:53:21 GMT -6
I wonder how flat it actually is, but the MBHO MBD 219 is probably my flattest dynamic. You mean the only mics they don’t show a freq response graph for? Odd to me too… I absolutely love it though! Still kicking myself for not picking up the omni version when still in production. Still keeping an eye out. No luck yet! |
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Post by timix on Jan 20, 2024 4:31:37 GMT -6
Hey all, just like the title says. Are there any in production dynamics that have a deliberately flat midrange like you would get from the above two mics? I remember that there was a Shure attempt at such a thing that ended in an 8 but is long out of production. Your'e probably thinking of the Shure KSM 8, still in production, which is a dual capsule to cancel the proximity effect which means it has no presence boost to compensate, it is flatter than most dynamics, I have 5 of them, its a HH vocal mic but would be good on brass, percussion & amps.. The Sennheiser e906 is also very flat when the EQ switch is in the rolloff position, not in the flat position, refer to the manual. When used in this mode its very close to the classic MD409, i have both of these mics too, they're great for brass & percussion although marketed as a guitar mic nowadays, 409's have been used as vocal mic's.. RE 20 is also very flat as it has no proximity effect, but expensive & cumbersome. Sennheiser MD441 is flat, but also expensive & cumbersome. There are a few vintage mics that were very flat, AKG D24, D160E & D224 which uses two diaphragms, almost sounds like a condenser, and a lot of the EV RE series are flat too. |
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Post by thehightenor on Jan 20, 2024 5:04:07 GMT -6
Hey all, just like the title says. Are there any in production dynamics that have a deliberately flat midrange like you would get from the above two mics? I remember that there was a Shure attempt at such a thing that ended in an 8 but is long out of production. Flat response dynamic. Look no further than the AKG 202. www.akg.com/on/demandware.static/-/Sites-masterCatalog_Harman/default/dwd6689f82/pdfs/D202.pdfFlat mids to the point of being a bit too boring for my applications - so I sold it. (Just taking it out of its case made me feel sleepy  ) But it does have a flat mid response and it might be useful for your application they come up second hand often at a bargain price. |
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Post by ninworks on Jan 20, 2024 5:36:38 GMT -6
If you're looking for a flat dynamic mic a Sennheiser MD441 can have a quite flat response when all the switches are set correctly. They're pretty flat all the way out to 10kHz. They are super cardioid so they have great side and decent rear rejection.
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Post by chessparov on Jan 20, 2024 10:26:30 GMT -6
Or just get Roseanne Barr to sing on ANYTHING.*
If you want it to sound absolutely flat.
Chris
*Well other than a TLM 103.
There are limits ya know.
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Post by dreamsambas on Jan 20, 2024 11:48:00 GMT -6
What are you looking to use the mics for? I own a lot of the mics mentioned, and EV omnis are very flat. The bigger ones have more low end extension. The old AKG dual element mics (D202, D224...) are flat as well. But all of mine broke, after only 2-3 uses  D19s/D24 are quite bright, not very flat. I bought some MBHO 219s for our church, but have only heard them in a live setting. |
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Post by bossanova on Jan 20, 2024 13:17:24 GMT -6
What are you looking to use the mics for? I own a lot of the mics mentioned, and EV omnis are very flat. The bigger ones have more low end extension. The old AKG dual element mics (D202, D224...) are flat as well. But all of mine broke, after only 2-3 uses D19s/D24 are quite bright, not very flat. I bought some MBHO 219s for our church, but have only heard them in a live setting. I have a very mid forward voice, and so I tend to pair well with mics that don't have the built-in vocal mid boost, especially up close. (I also have a low voice, so up close is doubly bad because of massive proximity effect plus mid-boost.) At the moment, I'm recording video lessons at the piano in a small, square room, and having a dynamic mic a couple of inches away from my mouth is the only thing that gives me a relatively dry, professional sounding vocal. The cardioid pattern is also very helpful for blocking out ambient noise and random background sounds. I have a 58 and a 7B and surprisingly the 58 has been the better out of the two for this particular purpose. I have a WA-84 that I really like for something flatter, but it is a bit too sensitive to plosives and sibilance when used up close, and I would like a dynamic that has those qualities but also will tolerate plosives and consonants at close range. The Shure KSM8 does seem to make a persuasive argument for having less proximity effect and less mid-boost. |
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Post by ericn on Jan 20, 2024 13:40:28 GMT -6
Well, I found this online. Apparently the mic was from Norway radio and was their reference mic other km84s were compared to - it was on eBay but has since gone Here ye Honestly for an actual sample of a mic with little to no smoothing that’s pretty flat, your going to have to get into measurement mics to find something much flatter without smoothing. |
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Post by the other mark williams on Jan 20, 2024 13:59:26 GMT -6
What are you looking to use the mics for? I own a lot of the mics mentioned, and EV omnis are very flat. The bigger ones have more low end extension. The old AKG dual element mics (D202, D224...) are flat as well. But all of mine broke, after only 2-3 uses D19s/D24 are quite bright, not very flat. I bought some MBHO 219s for our church, but have only heard them in a live setting. I have a very mid forward voice, and so I tend to pair well with mics that don't have the built-in vocal mid boost, especially up close. (I also have a low voice, so up close is doubly bad because of massive proximity effect plus mid-boost.) At the moment, I'm recording video lessons at the piano in a small, square room, and having a dynamic mic a couple of inches away from my mouth is the only thing that gives me a relatively dry, professional sounding vocal. The cardioid pattern is also very helpful for blocking out ambient noise and random background sounds. I have a 58 and a 7B and surprisingly the 58 has been the better out of the two for this particular purpose. I have a WA-84 that I really like for something flatter, but it is a bit too sensitive to plosives and sibilance when used up close, and I would like a dynamic that has those qualities but also will tolerate plosives and consonants at close range. The Shure KSM8 does seem to make a persuasive argument for having less proximity effect and less mid-boost. Given that use case, I would totally try an EV RE 10/11/15/16. All essentially the same mic. The RE11 has been the easiest to find for me the past couple years. Cardioid, no proximity effect, no big vocal boost, no pinch at 1-2k, unobtrusive on camera. Done. |
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Post by bossanova on Jan 20, 2024 14:12:37 GMT -6
I have a very mid forward voice, and so I tend to pair well with mics that don't have the built-in vocal mid boost, especially up close. (I also have a low voice, so up close is doubly bad because of massive proximity effect plus mid-boost.) At the moment, I'm recording video lessons at the piano in a small, square room, and having a dynamic mic a couple of inches away from my mouth is the only thing that gives me a relatively dry, professional sounding vocal. The cardioid pattern is also very helpful for blocking out ambient noise and random background sounds. I have a 58 and a 7B and surprisingly the 58 has been the better out of the two for this particular purpose. I have a WA-84 that I really like for something flatter, but it is a bit too sensitive to plosives and sibilance when used up close, and I would like a dynamic that has those qualities but also will tolerate plosives and consonants at close range. The Shure KSM8 does seem to make a persuasive argument for having less proximity effect and less mid-boost. Given that use case, I would totally try an EV RE 10/11/15/16. All essentially the same mic. The RE11 has been the easiest to find for me the past couple years. Cardioid, no proximity effect, no big vocal boost, no pinch at 1-2k, unobtrusive on camera. Done. Man, it really sounds like those vintage EVs might be the best option out there. I love the sound of an RE15 but prices have really jumped on those in recent years. Mark, honest question for you or anybody else who can answer...why don't they (EV, or anybody else) make dynamic mics that are voiced like those anymore? |
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Post by johneppstein on Jan 20, 2024 14:35:07 GMT -6
Given that use case, I would totally try an EV RE 10/11/15/16. All essentially the same mic. The RE11 has been the easiest to find for me the past couple years. Cardioid, no proximity effect, no big vocal boost, no pinch at 1-2k, unobtrusive on camera. Done. Man, it really sounds like those vintage EVs might be the best option out there. I love the sound of an RE15 but prices have really jumped on those in recent years. Mark, honest question for you or anybody else who can answer...why don't they (EV, or anybody else) make dynamic mics that are voiced like those anymore? Becuse in many ways they're not the same company aned also because thery don't make many (or any?) mics is the US anymore? |
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Post by ericn on Jan 20, 2024 15:32:57 GMT -6
Given that use case, I would totally try an EV RE 10/11/15/16. All essentially the same mic. The RE11 has been the easiest to find for me the past couple years. Cardioid, no proximity effect, no big vocal boost, no pinch at 1-2k, unobtrusive on camera. Done. Man, it really sounds like those vintage EVs might be the best option out there. I love the sound of an RE15 but prices have really jumped on those in recent years. Mark, honest question for you or anybody else who can answer...why don't they (EV, or anybody else) make dynamic mics that are voiced like those anymore? Trying to find a flat cardiod dynamic these days is almost impossible, most dynamics these days are voiced for stage instrument or voice, you will find flat Omni ENG mics, but since EV’s masters have changed hands multiple times not much in the ENG world other than Omni. Close up you have to do some trickery to overcome proximity effect. This why you see all the major morning shows and talk shows using KSM8’s as wireless handhelds. You either love or hate the KSM8 for it’s overall tone. |
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Post by bossanova on Jan 20, 2024 16:03:25 GMT -6
Man, it really sounds like those vintage EVs might be the best option out there. I love the sound of an RE15 but prices have really jumped on those in recent years. Mark, honest question for you or anybody else who can answer...why don't they (EV, or anybody else) make dynamic mics that are voiced like those anymore? Trying to find a flat cardiod dynamic these days is almost impossible, most dynamics these days are voiced for stage instrument or voice, you will find flat Omni ENG mics, but since EV’s masters have changed hands multiple times not much in the ENG world other than Omni. Close up you have to do some trickery to overcome proximity effect. This why you see all the major morning shows and talk shows using KSM8’s as wireless handhelds. You either love or hate the KSM8 for it’s overall tone. That’s the strangest thing to me. I feel like I can’t be the only musician who really wishes there were more flat, cardioid dynamic mics still being manufactured. On the subject of the TV Shows, has anybody else noticed that Ryan Seacrest has phenomenally good handheld mic technique? He’ll be hosting New Year’s, and everyone else is popping P’s like crazy, but he sounds smooth as can be. |
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Post by chessparov on Jan 20, 2024 16:06:45 GMT -6
He hasn't been idle.
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Post by chessparov on Jan 20, 2024 16:08:47 GMT -6
Well, I found this online. Apparently the mic was from Norway radio and was their reference mic other km84s were compared to - it was on eBay but has since gone Here ye So THAT's who stole my EKG! |
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