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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 4, 2024 18:47:00 GMT -6
I've seen this name before, didn't really know much about the company. Actually saw it in raddistribution's sig. (See, internet, participation and advertising DOES work!) First thing I clicked on was the Mix Bus. Very interesting, and something very simple that I can wrap my head around. That being said, why is it $2000? I mean, I guess that's an arbitrary question...but isn't it just some Carnhills with input and output stages? Sounds good at the end of this video. |
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Post by paulcheeba on Jan 4, 2024 19:04:34 GMT -6
I nearly bought one but I couldn’t find 1 person with one. A Few people had the SSL version which didn’t interest me.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 4, 2024 20:21:56 GMT -6
And or why is the stam so much cheaper ?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2024 21:11:26 GMT -6
How is this better than a Silver Bullet, Fatso, D-box, or a fat sounding bus comp like the Drawmer 1968 or Vulf? SDRR2 is 23 euros...
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 4, 2024 21:27:41 GMT -6
How is this better than a Silver Bullet, Fatso, D-box, or a fat sounding bus comp like the Drawmer 1968 or Vulf? SDRR2 is 23 euros... Who said it was? You could get a used SB for less. Fatso is digital. D-box is summing...and yes, a comp would serve a similar purpose, but you can drive this with one knob. |
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Post by timix on Jan 4, 2024 22:05:18 GMT -6
How is this better than a Silver Bullet, Fatso, D-box, or a fat sounding bus comp like the Drawmer 1968 or Vulf? SDRR2 is 23 euros... Fatso is digital. What is the source of this information? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2024 22:17:27 GMT -6
How is this better than a Silver Bullet, Fatso, D-box, or a fat sounding bus comp like the Drawmer 1968 or Vulf? SDRR2 is 23 euros... Who said it was? You could get a used SB for less. Fatso is digital. D-box is summing...and yes, a comp would serve a similar purpose, but you can drive this with one knob. yeah I just meant it seems like a little much For one tbing when you can kill multiple birds with one stone |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 4, 2024 22:22:09 GMT -6
What is the source of this information? My understanding is that all the Dave Durr stuff is, right? |
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Post by ragan on Jan 4, 2024 22:39:29 GMT -6
What is the source of this information? My understanding is that all the Dave Durr stuff is, right? It's analog, but digitally controlled. |
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Post by drumsound on Jan 4, 2024 23:26:15 GMT -6
And or why is the stam so much cheaper ? My understanding is that all the Dave Durr stuff is, right? It's analog, but digitally controlled. THIS |
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Post by timix on Jan 4, 2024 23:33:08 GMT -6
What is the source of this information? My understanding is that all the Dave Durr stuff is, right? No disrespect intended, but I'm curious to how you came to understand this was the case, this is the first time ive read thid in 27 years of ELI making products? |
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Post by bricejchandler on Jan 5, 2024 2:00:50 GMT -6
I'm not sure why anyone would buy this over a Silverbullet or an SSL Fusion, or even a nice stereo preamp with line inputs.
I'm sure it sounds fine but that is a lot of money!
I have to admit when I first saw this brand a few years back, my first reaction was: yet another 1073 clone, it just gets really boring.
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Post by thehightenor on Jan 5, 2024 3:00:09 GMT -6
I've seen this name before, didn't really know much about the company. Actually saw it in raddistribution's sig. (See, internet, participation and advertising DOES work!) First thing I clicked on was the Mix Bus. Very interesting, and something very simple that I can wrap my head around. That being said, why is it $2000? I mean, I guess that's an arbitrary question...but isn't it just some Carnhills with input and output stages? Sounds good at the end of this video. Odd thing price. I had two dental implants (an old school sports injury came to cost me 35 years later!) The cost was $9000! (£7K) I must say they did a stunningly great job. I was talking to the implantologist about the crazy price. She said, there’s an enormous amount of skill and experience that goes into making the titanium implants, the perfect realistic looking crowns and my 25 years experience as a dental surgeon and then there’s government tax, overheads before you know it it’s a big ticket cost. Then she made the point, if I’d told you I’d do the job for $1000 …. you of literally run out of my office and never looked back  Top flight professional costs …. and we know it. Nobody wants cheap and chearful - it’s hard wired into our DNA. Quality costs. That’s a very useful bit of psychology to be aware of when you’re soldering together $200 worth of components Look at the guitar pedal market $400 for a boutique pedal with $30 worth of discrete components. Mmmmh. If this box above was $499 would you presume it a serious bargain or too cheap? I don’t know …. it’s just something I’ve always pondered, I’m sure it’s a trap I fall into at times. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 5, 2024 3:51:54 GMT -6
All good, perhaps I am misunderstanding this box but it’s sort of a summing box or 2 channels with good transformers ?
I only referenced stam as I think his summing box is 16 channels all with name brand trannies too.
So, the relative costs of these two units is what struck me.
It’s a good demo as the unit certainly imparts better sound: if you were mixing in the box and wanted one box to bring some sonic goodness, this would do it, but at this price, I’d want to demo, as said above maybe ssl Fusion too.
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Post by lowlou on Jan 5, 2024 5:42:33 GMT -6
It's been on my radar for quite some time, the demo sounds excellent. The effect is not subtle. But it's indeed pricey.
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Post by phantom on Jan 5, 2024 6:42:17 GMT -6
What is the source of this information? My understanding is that all the Dave Durr stuff is, right? Wait. You really thought all Empirical Labs equipments were digital? Like, not controlled digital, but processing sound digitally? Even the distressor? Not trying to mock AT ALL, I know you're a very good and experienced audio engineer but I find interesting how somethings can be perceived. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2024 8:43:15 GMT -6
I've seen this name before, didn't really know much about the company. Actually saw it in raddistribution's sig. (See, internet, participation and advertising DOES work!) First thing I clicked on was the Mix Bus. Very interesting, and something very simple that I can wrap my head around. That being said, why is it $2000? I mean, I guess that's an arbitrary question...but isn't it just some Carnhills with input and output stages? Sounds good at the end of this video. Odd thing price. I had two dental implants (an old school sports injury came to cost me 35 years later!) The cost was $9000! (£7K) I must say they did a stunningly great job. I was talking to the implantologist about the crazy price. She said, there’s an enormous amount of skill and experience that goes into making the titanium implants, the perfect realistic looking crowns and my 25 years experience as a dental surgeon and then there’s government tax, overheads before you know it it’s a big ticket cost. Then she made the point, if I’d told you I’d do the job for $1000 …. you of literally run out of my office and never looked back Top flight professional costs …. and we know it. Nobody wants cheap and chearful - it’s hard wired into our DNA. Quality costs. That’s a very useful bit of psychology to be aware of when you’re soldering together $200 worth of components Look at the guitar pedal market $400 for a boutique pedal with $30 worth of discrete components. Mmmmh. If this box above was $499 would you presume it a serious bargain or too cheap? I don’t know …. it’s just something I’ve always pondered, I’m sure it’s a trap I fall into at times. this is a clone circuit ripped from its original form and devoid of its original function. You can buy many pieces of rack gear with a warm sound for 2000 dollars. Many pieces lack expensive parts or labor intensive builds, are mostly wave and reflow soldered, yet their manufacturers want a small fortune for them. Even for British gear, if you want a warm sound you can get anything from Drawmer’s 1960s or 1970s line, DAV, Alice, the AMS-Neve 8803 and other non retro fetishist recreation AMS gear, etc… |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 5, 2024 10:37:20 GMT -6
My understanding is that all the Dave Durr stuff is, right? No disrespect intended, but I'm curious to how you came to understand this was the case, this is the first time ive read thid in 27 years of ELI making products? I’m sorry papa, I made a mistake. They sound digital to me. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 5, 2024 10:43:17 GMT -6
I've seen this name before, didn't really know much about the company. Actually saw it in raddistribution's sig. (See, internet, participation and advertising DOES work!) First thing I clicked on was the Mix Bus. Very interesting, and something very simple that I can wrap my head around. That being said, why is it $2000? I mean, I guess that's an arbitrary question...but isn't it just some Carnhills with input and output stages? Sounds good at the end of this video. Odd thing price. I had two dental implants (an old school sports injury came to cost me 35 years later!) The cost was $9000! (£7K) I must say they did a stunningly great job. I was talking to the implantologist about the crazy price. She said, there’s an enormous amount of skill and experience that goes into making the titanium implants, the perfect realistic looking crowns and my 25 years experience as a dental surgeon and then there’s government tax, overheads before you know it it’s a big ticket cost. Then she made the point, if I’d told you I’d do the job for $1000 …. you of literally run out of my office and never looked back Top flight professional costs …. and we know it. Nobody wants cheap and chearful - it’s hard wired into our DNA. Quality costs. That’s a very useful bit of psychology to be aware of when you’re soldering together $200 worth of components Look at the guitar pedal market $400 for a boutique pedal with $30 worth of discrete components. Mmmmh. If this box above was $499 would you presume it a serious bargain or too cheap? I don’t know …. it’s just something I’ve always pondered, I’m sure it’s a trap I fall into at times. Yeah there’s a sweet spot for everything. The sweet spot for buying music has been $.99 cents since 1960. Wait. That might be a bad example. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 5, 2024 10:44:41 GMT -6
All good, perhaps I am misunderstanding this box but it’s sort of a summing box or 2 channels with good transformers ? I only referenced stam as I think his summing box is 16 channels all with name brand trannies too. So, the relative costs of these two units is what struck me. It’s a good demo as the unit certainly imparts better sound: if you were mixing in the box and wanted one box to bring some sonic goodness, this would do it, but at this price, I’d want to demo, as said above maybe ssl Fusion too. Yeah. I just thought it was cool because it’s basically Slate VCC in HW form. |
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Post by niklas1073 on Jan 5, 2024 12:51:32 GMT -6
Can it be so much better than the bae? I feel the bae would give more bang for the buck since it serves as an amazing pre and should do a similar job in the rear end. www.baeaudio.com/products/1073mp |
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Post by geoff738 on Jan 5, 2024 13:01:44 GMT -6
How is this different from the box that Iron Age Audio used to make? I thought that was a neat idea but I guess it didn’t sell enough to keep making it. Then again I didn’t buy one either, so blame me.
Cheers,
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 5, 2024 13:06:41 GMT -6
How is this different from the box that Iron Age Audio used to make? I thought that was a neat idea but I guess it didn’t sell enough to keep making it. Then again I didn’t buy one either, so blame me. Cheers, Geoff Didn’t know there was one |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 5, 2024 13:07:30 GMT -6
Can it be so much better than the bae? I feel the bae would give more bang for the buck since it serves as an amazing pre and should do a similar job in the rear end. www.baeaudio.com/products/1073mpYeah. I guess two Neve prea would do the same thing? But I have no idea what kind of circuit is in the mix bus thingy |
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Post by geoff738 on Jan 5, 2024 13:12:29 GMT -6
How is this different from the box that Iron Age Audio used to make? I thought that was a neat idea but I guess it didn’t sell enough to keep making it. Then again I didn’t buy one either, so blame me. Cheers, Geoff Didn’t know there was one I think it was a few different transformers that you could run things through basically. But don’t quote me on that. Not sure what the tech the device in this thread uses, but the end goal of thickening/ saturating is similar. FWIW the difference this made was easily discernible on an iPad and I have 60 year old ears Cheers, Geoff |
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