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Post by gravesnumber9 on Dec 7, 2023 12:16:16 GMT -6
I was cleaning out a box of stuff we used to use for our live rig way, way back in the day and found a pair of EV N/D 468's. Our drummer did sound for us in those days (when we did our own sound) and I think used these for toms. Pretty sure he also used them on a recording we did but I can't judge off of that cuz... well let's just say my mixing/engineering skillz left something to be desired at the age of 22.
Anyone use these? I like how low profile they are but it's a bit of a hassle taking down my current tom mic array and setting up a new one to test it. Worth the time?
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Dec 7, 2023 12:19:16 GMT -6
Also, for context I prefer a naturalistic drum sound. I'm currently using a DM20 on snare, US FET 47 on Kick, m160 on low tom, 57 on rack tom (not my favorite but my drummer is a bit sloppy on the rack tom strike... it's barely in the mix anyway). Lately I haven't even been using an overhead but I have a project coming up where I want to slide the m160 to a mono overhead.
I come from the school where men are men and drums sound like drums. Haha
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Post by johneppstein on Dec 7, 2023 12:44:41 GMT -6
I was cleaning out a box of stuff we used to use for our live rig way, way back in the day and found a pair of EV N/D 468's. Our drummer did sound for us in those days (when we did our own sound) and I think used these for toms. Pretty sure he also used them on a recording we did but I can't judge off of that cuz... well let's just say my mixing/engineering skillz left something to be desired at the age of 22. Anyone use these? I like how low profile they are but it's a bit of a hassle taking down my current tom mic array and setting up a new one to test it. Worth the time? Yeah, they used to be some of my favorite tom mics, back when I was doing a lot of close micing. Beat the pants off of 57s and a lot more rugged. |
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Post by dok on Dec 7, 2023 12:58:30 GMT -6
I think it's a great rack tom mic, for sure better than a 57. And I'd probably think about replacing the fragile m160 in case of an errant drum stick.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Dec 7, 2023 13:00:46 GMT -6
I think it's a great rack tom mic, for sure better than a 57. And I'd probably think about replacing the fragile m160 in case of an errant drum stick. Yeah I know... the problem is the m160 sounds just so fantastic on that low tom for the sound I like. But it makes me nervous every time. I actually hate the sound of the 57 but I don't really have another super durable mic I could put there. So it sounds like the consensus is "certainly worth the time setting 'em up to test it." |
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Post by ericn on Dec 7, 2023 13:02:26 GMT -6
On cabs and Tom’s a very respectful mike, definitely has its own tone.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Dec 7, 2023 13:08:42 GMT -6
On cabs and Tom’s a very respectful mike, definitely has its own tone. Respectful, eh? I generally prefer disrespectful and rude! Haha. I figured ericn would know a thing or two about a discontinued mic from a major manufacturer. Almost tagged you in original the post actually! |
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Post by ericn on Dec 7, 2023 14:20:44 GMT -6
On cabs and Tom’s a very respectful mike, definitely has its own tone. Respectful, eh? I generally prefer disrespectful and rude! Haha. I figured ericn would know a thing or two about a discontinued mic from a major manufacturer. Almost tagged you in original the post actually! HA , HA. About 2 years ago I got a call from a midsize SR company. Looking for a bunch of the earlier N/D 408’s because the TD and FOH guy insisted on them for a major tour, managed to scrounge 4 from different sources in 24 hrs. |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Dec 7, 2023 14:30:21 GMT -6
Respectful, eh? I generally prefer disrespectful and rude! Haha. I figured ericn would know a thing or two about a discontinued mic from a major manufacturer. Almost tagged you in original the post actually! HA , HA. About 2 years ago I got a call from a midsize SR company. Looking for a bunch of the earlier N/D 408’s because the TD and FOH guy insisted on them for a major tour, managed to scrounge 4 from different sources in 24 hrs. I guess our old sound guy/drummer must have liked EV's cuz I just dug out an N/D 367s too. That one is a total mystery, I always sang through an Audix OM2 back in those days. EDIT: Maybe it was for my ex-wife? Uh-oh... better burn some sage! |
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Post by ericn on Dec 7, 2023 14:50:15 GMT -6
HA , HA. About 2 years ago I got a call from a midsize SR company. Looking for a bunch of the earlier N/D 408’s because the TD and FOH guy insisted on them for a major tour, managed to scrounge 4 from different sources in 24 hrs. I guess our old sound guy/drummer must have liked EV's cuz I just dug out an N/D 367s too. That one is a total mystery, I always sang through an Audix OM2 back in those days. EDIT: Maybe it was for my ex-wife? Uh-oh... better burn some sage! Hey that Audix is still a favorite of many, just wish it was higher output, and they can be had pretty cheap used. |
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Post by robo on Dec 7, 2023 15:09:19 GMT -6
Good on amps and toms, and one of my favorite snare mics too. It’s a bit thin at a distance, but if you get it closer than normal the proximity effect gets you a nice full capture with very little bleed.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Dec 7, 2023 15:46:18 GMT -6
I guess our old sound guy/drummer must have liked EV's cuz I just dug out an N/D 367s too. That one is a total mystery, I always sang through an Audix OM2 back in those days. EDIT: Maybe it was for my ex-wife? Uh-oh... better burn some sage! Hey that Audix is still a favorite of many, just wish it was higher output, and they can be had pretty cheap used. I still like all the Audix stage mics. I've been using an RE-520 or a PR-22 these days but if I hadn't lost my OM2 I'd still probably use that. A buddy who used to run sound at Threadgill's in Austin when it was in the Armadillo World HQ location turned me on to the RE stage condensers. I rarely play a show where someone doesn't ask about that mic... maybe it just works for my voice but sound guys all tell me it's stupid easy to mix. |
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Post by ericn on Dec 7, 2023 15:53:59 GMT -6
Hey that Audix is still a favorite of many, just wish it was higher output, and they can be had pretty cheap used. I still like all the Audix stage mics. I've been using an RE-520 or a PR-22 these days but if I hadn't lost my OM2 I'd still probably use that. A buddy who used to run sound at Threadgill's in Austin when it was in the Armadillo World HQ location turned me on to the RE stage condensers. I rarely play a show where someone doesn't ask about that mic... maybe it just works for my voice but sound guys all tell me it's stupid easy to mix. In my world where most of my SR includes wedges mixed from FOH and wireless handhelds I still seam to reach for the beta87 first, mostly for the feedback control more than sonics. One offs with amateurs. |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Dec 7, 2023 16:37:17 GMT -6
I still like all the Audix stage mics. I've been using an RE-520 or a PR-22 these days but if I hadn't lost my OM2 I'd still probably use that. A buddy who used to run sound at Threadgill's in Austin when it was in the Armadillo World HQ location turned me on to the RE stage condensers. I rarely play a show where someone doesn't ask about that mic... maybe it just works for my voice but sound guys all tell me it's stupid easy to mix. In my world where most of my SR includes wedges mixed from FOH and wireless handhelds I still seam to reach for the beta87 first, mostly for the feedback control more than sonics. One offs with amateurs. I used to have a Beta87, lost that one too! Haha. I lost a lot of live mics in my younger days I guess. Even the prestige clubs around here (Continental, Mohawk, Stubb's) have pretty vile microphones for stage use. One of the few good things about Covid is that it's become more acceptable to say "if this mic sounds anything like it smells, I'd rather use my own." Interestingly even at some larger stages I'm starting to hear engineers asking "will you be using your own mics?" As if live sound didn't have enough variables already! |
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Post by ericn on Dec 7, 2023 17:31:25 GMT -6
In my world where most of my SR includes wedges mixed from FOH and wireless handhelds I still seam to reach for the beta87 first, mostly for the feedback control more than sonics. One offs with amateurs. I used to have a Beta87, lost that one too! Haha. I lost a lot of live mics in my younger days I guess. Even the prestige clubs around here (Continental, Mohawk, Stubb's) have pretty vile microphones for stage use. One of the few good things about Covid is that it's become more acceptable to say "if this mic sounds anything like it smells, I'd rather use my own." Interestingly even at some larger stages I'm starting to hear engineers asking "will you be using your own mics?" As if live sound didn't have enough variables already! Yeah I’m investing in a variety of different heads for the wireless and some Ambient adapters as much to rent to others as my own use trying to be the friendly sound guy. |
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Post by drumsound on Dec 7, 2023 23:54:24 GMT -6
408/468 are good mics and much better than the 57 you have on the rack tom. I also have had good luck on snare and guitar amps.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Dec 8, 2023 19:15:03 GMT -6
Update, sounded great on rack tom. Couldn't make it work on floor tom. Too much "thwap".
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Post by ericn on Dec 8, 2023 19:41:49 GMT -6
Update, sounded great on rack tom. Couldn't make it work on floor tom. Too much "thwap". Yeah you can make it useable if you have 4 bands of true perametric and sweepable filters like a Midas XL4 but it s a lot of work. |
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Post by Ward on Dec 8, 2023 20:06:05 GMT -6
Apart from an over-abundance of 7o0hz and a little much in the 400 range, a very respectable tom mic. Need at least two fully parametric EQ bands to dial it in perfectly but a VERY important microphone! I preferred 308s and 408s - which are unsung heroes of the 90s.
EV really sold themselves short.
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Post by ericn on Dec 8, 2023 20:11:20 GMT -6
Apart from an over-abundance of 7o0hz and a little much in the 400 range, a very respectable tom mic. Need at least two fully parametric EQ bands to dial it in perfectly but a VERY important microphone! I preferred 308s and 408s - which are unsung heroes of the 90s. EV really sold themselves short. 468 was cheaper to build, some 408’s had cable issues. Have you played with the later Raven? |
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Post by thehightenor on Dec 9, 2023 11:51:24 GMT -6
I was cleaning out a box of stuff we used to use for our live rig way, way back in the day and found a pair of EV N/D 468's. Our drummer did sound for us in those days (when we did our own sound) and I think used these for toms. Pretty sure he also used them on a recording we did but I can't judge off of that cuz... well let's just say my mixing/engineering skillz left something to be desired at the age of 22. Anyone use these? I like how low profile they are but it's a bit of a hassle taking down my current tom mic array and setting up a new one to test it. Worth the time? I used to have a Pearl Masters kit with these mics on the toms for gigs. It sounded great! |
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Post by drumsound on Dec 9, 2023 13:25:01 GMT -6
Update, sounded great on rack tom. Couldn't make it work on floor tom. Too much "thwap". I can see that, especially compared to the mics you had in those spot previously. Apart from an over-abundance of 7o0hz and a little much in the 400 range, a very respectable tom mic. Need at least two fully parametric EQ bands to dial it in perfectly but a VERY important microphone! I preferred 308s and 408s - which are unsung heroes of the 90s. EV really sold themselves short. I was in muisc retail with the 468 was released (I bought our store's last 2 408s on the cheap  ). The EV rep told me there was not really a difference beyond the gold band between the 468 and 408. The 308 was a cardioid and the 408/468 are hyper. I played a lot of clubs in Chicago in the 90s and there were 308 and 408 all over toms. |
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Post by nnajar on Dec 9, 2023 13:31:39 GMT -6
468 is great on acoustic instruments too. Guitars, uprights, brass, woodwinds….
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Post by Ward on Dec 9, 2023 14:10:06 GMT -6
468 was cheaper to build, some 408’s had cable issues. Have you played with the later Raven? Simple fix was to use a short length of single channel mic cable from a snake. Much more durable, higher quality and the same sonic footprint - next to none. |
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). The EV rep told me there was not really a difference beyond the gold band between the 468 and 408. The 308 was a cardioid and the 408/468 are hyper. 