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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 12, 2023 16:58:48 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2023 8:24:02 GMT -6
Did they increase single core speed finally? Honestly not even an i9-12900k is fast enough. To upgrade, I will need to get a full atx case and a new build. I'm running 13 instances of Goodhertz Tupe in HQ mode using all modules and 13 instances of Nova GE in Musical Insane +. I have 23 DI guitars on this track.
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Post by thehightenor on Nov 13, 2023 13:02:07 GMT -6
Did they increase single core speed finally? Honestly not even an i9-12900k is fast enough. To upgrade, I will need to get a full atx case and a new build. I'm running 13 instances of Goodhertz Tupe in HQ mode using all modules and 13 instances of Nova GE in Musical Insane +. I have 23 DI guitars on this track. Dan, my new 13900k can play 195 instances of the Dom Sigalas Cubase benchmark, my old 4950K could manage 30. But this is because I’ve gone from 6 cores to 24 cores. The single core performance between the 4950K a CPU now 10 years old and my new 13900K is only an increase of just over double 2.4x I think. I guess the cpu makers have reached a bit of a dead end getting much more from a single core and so it’s all bout dozens of cores and super fast RAM and storage …. Which great but doesn’t help single core low latency performance. I noted the single core performance of the Mac M2 was less than the Intel 13900K so maybe Apple have improved this with the M3? |
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Post by veggieryan on Nov 13, 2023 15:15:56 GMT -6
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Post by thehightenor on Nov 13, 2023 15:26:14 GMT -6
The current top Intel chip is the 14900K The new M3 needs to be compared to the 14900K |
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Post by veggieryan on Nov 13, 2023 16:42:14 GMT -6
Looks like the M3 Max beats the 14900k and does it at a fraction of the power required (57 watts vs 125 watts) and heat generated as expected due in part to the 3 nm vs 10 nm process. appuals.com/14900k-6-faster-geekbench6/"If we look at the performance metrics, the i9-14900K scores 3140 points (Single Core) and 19134 points (Multi Core) respectively." |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2023 0:05:27 GMT -6
Looks like the M3 Max beats the 14900k and does it at a fraction of the power required (57 watts vs 125 watts) and heat generated as expected due in part to the 3 nm vs 10 nm process. appuals.com/14900k-6-faster-geekbench6/"If we look at the performance metrics, the i9-14900K scores 3140 points (Single Core) and 19134 points (Multi Core) respectively." bullshit. for audio, You’ll max out a single core before you max out an entire cpu almost always. |
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Post by thehightenor on Nov 14, 2023 2:24:55 GMT -6
Looks like the M3 Max beats the 14900k and does it at a fraction of the power required (57 watts vs 125 watts) and heat generated as expected due in part to the 3 nm vs 10 nm process. appuals.com/14900k-6-faster-geekbench6/"If we look at the performance metrics, the i9-14900K scores 3140 points (Single Core) and 19134 points (Multi Core) respectively." It depends on which benchmark you look at. For SC performance with VI’s I’ll take a 14900K over AS which I’ve found to have a fairly lack lustre SC performance with Cubase. Perhaps it fairs better with Logic? |
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Post by thehightenor on Nov 14, 2023 2:25:28 GMT -6
Looks like the M3 Max beats the 14900k and does it at a fraction of the power required (57 watts vs 125 watts) and heat generated as expected due in part to the 3 nm vs 10 nm process. appuals.com/14900k-6-faster-geekbench6/"If we look at the performance metrics, the i9-14900K scores 3140 points (Single Core) and 19134 points (Multi Core) respectively." bullshit. for audio, You’ll max out a single core before you max out an entire cpu almost always. ^ This. |
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Post by ericn on Nov 14, 2023 7:03:39 GMT -6
Looks like the M3 Max beats the 14900k and does it at a fraction of the power required (57 watts vs 125 watts) and heat generated as expected due in part to the 3 nm vs 10 nm process. appuals.com/14900k-6-faster-geekbench6/"If we look at the performance metrics, the i9-14900K scores 3140 points (Single Core) and 19134 points (Multi Core) respectively." bullshit. for audio, You’ll max out a single core before you max out an entire cpu almost always. Until coders and chip developers figure out how to maximize use of multi cores for audio without high latency, unfortunately don’t hold your breath because it’s nobody who really matters first no less 10th priority. |
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Post by veggieryan on Nov 14, 2023 12:44:45 GMT -6
Looks like the M3 Max beats the 14900k and does it at a fraction of the power required (57 watts vs 125 watts) and heat generated as expected due in part to the 3 nm vs 10 nm process. appuals.com/14900k-6-faster-geekbench6/"If we look at the performance metrics, the i9-14900K scores 3140 points (Single Core) and 19134 points (Multi Core) respectively." bullshit. for audio, You’ll max out a single core before you max out an entire cpu almost always. Huh? Did you forget to compare the single core benchmarks? (higher score = better) Geekbench 6 results: Single-core MacBook Pro 16-inch (M3 Max) 3,200 Intel i9-14900K: 3,140 Intel i9-12900KS: 2,696 |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2023 14:06:06 GMT -6
bullshit. for audio, You’ll max out a single core before you max out an entire cpu almost always. Huh? Did you forget to compare the single core benchmarks? (higher score = better) Geekbench 6 results: Single-core MacBook Pro 16-inch (M3 Max) 3,200 Intel i9-14900K: 3,140 Intel i9-12900KS: 2,696 Totally unrealistic for music production, especially with Apple's slim laptops essentially having zero cooling and the massive fan in many of the Mac Studio sitting on the desk. My i9-12900k outperforms the Mac Studios. Extensive sessions in 2023 are Le Mans, not a drag race. My undervolted i9-12900k gets over 2700 on single-threaded workloads and ever since I swapped out the defective AIO cooler, it rarely heats up. If I ran it to the max or had ddr5, I would get even higher scores but I like the lower temperature and ddr5 wasn't available in 128 gb when I bought my computer but that will improve your performance for large VSTis. And this is for hours on end and virtually silent. That being said a Mac Mini is the Toyota or Honda of modern music production. The Macbook Pros are good but still slimline laptops with more to go wrong than in a desktop computer. Do not believe anyone who praises the performance of a DAW computer because now they can use 100 tracks with plugins from 15-25 years ago (Waves Renaissance started coming out in 1998) and get 1% cpu use instead of 10% with whatever they had 10 years ago. My 10 generation old, low power consumption dual core laptop CPU can run those sessions  |
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Post by thehightenor on Nov 14, 2023 14:28:32 GMT -6
bullshit. for audio, You’ll max out a single core before you max out an entire cpu almost always. Huh? Did you forget to compare the single core benchmarks? (higher score = better) Geekbench 6 results: Single-core MacBook Pro 16-inch (M3 Max) 3,200 Intel i9-14900K: 3,140 Intel i9-12900KS: 2,696 Try this link. www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-apple_m3-vs-intel_core_i9_14900kI'm no expert but the 14900K seems to definitely be coming out on top on nearly all SC performance tests. It's SC performance that counts - all these CPU's can do 1000's of plugins during a mix. My 10 year old 4950K can run 300+ DSP VST plugins on mixdown! |
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Post by veggieryan on Nov 14, 2023 14:59:41 GMT -6
Huh? Did you forget to compare the single core benchmarks? (higher score = better) Geekbench 6 results: Single-core MacBook Pro 16-inch (M3 Max) 3,200 Intel i9-14900K: 3,140 Intel i9-12900KS: 2,696 Totally unrealistic for music production, especially with Apple's slim laptops essentially having zero cooling and the massive fan in many of the Mac Studio sitting on the desk. My i9-12900k outperforms the Mac Studios. Extensive sessions in 2023 are Le Mans, not a drag race. My undervolted i9-12900k gets over 2700 on single-threaded workloads and ever since I swapped out the defective AIO cooler, it rarely heats up. If I ran it to the max or had ddr5, I would get even higher scores but I like the lower temperature and ddr5 wasn't available in 128 gb when I bought my computer but that will improve your performance for large VSTis. And this is for hours on end and virtually silent. That being said a Mac Mini is the Toyota or Honda of modern music production. The Macbook Pros are good but still slimline laptops with more to go wrong than in a desktop computer. Do not believe anyone who praises the performance of a DAW computer because now they can use 100 tracks with plugins from 15-25 years ago (Waves Renaissance started coming out in 1998) and get 1% cpu use instead of 10% with whatever they had 10 years ago. My 10 generation old, low power consumption dual core laptop CPU can run those sessions The M3 Max is a 3 nm process chip, therefore it needs less far power and generates far less heat to maintain the 3,200 single core benchmark than the 12900k, a 10 nm process chip, needs to maintain its lower 2,700 single core benchmark. 14900k is also 10 nm process so it has the same problems with heat and power consumption. We knew this day was coming when the 3 nm chips came to fruition and here we are... |
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Post by mythundreamt on Nov 14, 2023 16:14:30 GMT -6
Do not believe anyone who praises the performance of a DAW computer because now they can use 100 tracks with plugins from 15-25 years ago (Waves Renaissance started coming out in 1998) and get 1% cpu use instead of 10% with whatever they had 10 years ago. My 10 generation old, low power consumption dual core laptop CPU can run those sessions What’s an example of an extensive/LeMans/appropriate session + modern plug-in suite that serves as a proper test then? Evaluating some stuff right now and would love a real world benchmark…. Thanks! |
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Post by thehightenor on Nov 15, 2023 1:59:10 GMT -6
Totally unrealistic for music production, especially with Apple's slim laptops essentially having zero cooling and the massive fan in many of the Mac Studio sitting on the desk. My i9-12900k outperforms the Mac Studios. Extensive sessions in 2023 are Le Mans, not a drag race. My undervolted i9-12900k gets over 2700 on single-threaded workloads and ever since I swapped out the defective AIO cooler, it rarely heats up. If I ran it to the max or had ddr5, I would get even higher scores but I like the lower temperature and ddr5 wasn't available in 128 gb when I bought my computer but that will improve your performance for large VSTis. And this is for hours on end and virtually silent. That being said a Mac Mini is the Toyota or Honda of modern music production. The Macbook Pros are good but still slimline laptops with more to go wrong than in a desktop computer. Do not believe anyone who praises the performance of a DAW computer because now they can use 100 tracks with plugins from 15-25 years ago (Waves Renaissance started coming out in 1998) and get 1% cpu use instead of 10% with whatever they had 10 years ago. My 10 generation old, low power consumption dual core laptop CPU can run those sessions The M3 Max is a 3 nm process chip, therefore it needs less far power and generates far less heat to maintain the 3,200 single core benchmark than the 12900k, a 10 nm process chip, needs to maintain its lower 2,700 single core benchmark. 14900k is also 10 nm process so it has the same problems with heat and power consumption. We knew this day was coming when the 3 nm chips came to fruition and here we are... My new 13900K system - pro built for DAW use is completely …. silent. When I turn it on I literally cannot hear it - I have to look at my computer monitor to know it’s on! And my studio is a very quite environment. So a heat and niose problem. No. And as for more electricity needed, well I have racks for of tube gear so frankly I wouldn’t notice the difference of my power bill anyway. For me using Cubase with a large VI, rompler libraries and large amounts of VI’s the superior single core performance of Intel is essential to my workflow. When Intel release the 15900K next year on a 3nm silicon I’m hoping they will significantly lift the single core performance as sc performance is the limiting factor of modern CPU’s for music making imho. We don’t need more cores - how many simultaneous tracks and plug-ins do we need! My system can already handle way, way, more than I’ll ever use. And one small point, I still need a desktop case and that new desktop Mac was a joke - a desktop with laptop chips in it wtf! I have 14TB of m.2 drives and a PCIe AES card. I want my m.2 to run at ultra high speeds so that loading up sample sets is like switching TV channels! My m.2 are running at over 7GB’s None of this workflow is achievable with a Max Studio. It would like an octopus with so many drives, hubs and PCIe chassis changing of the back. The Mac Studio is a very nice machine, my friends doing photography and graphics love theirs and I do get it, I am a Mac fan, I have an iMac and a MacBook and iPad Pro. But in the studio they don’t offer me as a composer a practical solution for my workflow. I’ll pay for an extra 20p of electric a day  |
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