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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 21, 2023 13:28:38 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 21, 2023 13:30:59 GMT -6
Replica Mic makes the capsule. Never heard of it.
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Post by ericn on Oct 21, 2023 13:44:27 GMT -6
Replica Mic makes the capsule. Never heard of it. My gut tells me “ makes” means import from China, but we shall see. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 21, 2023 14:15:41 GMT -6
Aren’t these the guys who “stole”, a lot of the group diy guys’ build ideas ?
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Post by EmRR on Oct 21, 2023 15:00:51 GMT -6
Hard to “steal” something that’s open source. Choose to profit from it, not the coolest, but commerce is never “cool”.
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 21, 2023 15:05:39 GMT -6
I agree: an interesting moral distinction, but if you know, you are using somebody else's ideas and design to create a business model/product and taking business away (possibly) from the originator, that takes a certain , ah, fluidity, of ethics ?
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Post by timcampbell on Oct 21, 2023 15:58:08 GMT -6
John for that price get yourself a Universal Audio SP-1. We just auditioned some beside some real KM84s and everyone was impressed especially for that money.
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Post by ericn on Oct 21, 2023 16:40:18 GMT -6
Hard to “steal” something that’s open source. Choose to profit from it, not the coolest, but commerce is never “cool”. Well if your the one making the profit it’s really cool 🤪 |
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Post by ericn on Oct 21, 2023 16:41:02 GMT -6
John for that price get yourself a Universal Audio SP-1. We just auditioned some beside some real KM84s and everyone was impressed especially for that money. Interesting, not that I need SDC’s. |
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Post by jcgriggs on Oct 22, 2023 8:39:05 GMT -6
Hard to “steal” something that’s open source. Choose to profit from it, not the coolest, but commerce is never “cool”. IIRC, it was not just a matter of these guys profiting from someone else's hard work - they also failed to attribute that work or make it clear that the stuff was open source from somewhere else and not original work by Mic & Mod. Profit may be frowned upon, but failing to provide credit, etc. is a cardinal sin in Open Source land...
My $0.02 (Canadian Tire), John
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Post by niklas1073 on Oct 22, 2023 8:39:22 GMT -6
Very interesting as the UA sp1 came up. I was just looking at a pair of sdc’s, and was looking at ua too. Ive been glancing at mic and mod before, but never had my hands on any of their mics. Then i came across some chats about the UA sd1 (same series as the sdc’s but a sm7b clone) that looks from everything to be a generic cheap off mic that t bone sells for 90 bucks. Cannot comment on it deeper, but that kind of turned me off regarding the sp1’s when i could not find anywhere what their origin is. Anyone have more intel on that? In that light the micmods might not be too bad to look at…
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 22, 2023 8:48:51 GMT -6
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Post by damoongo on Oct 22, 2023 9:37:00 GMT -6
John for that price get yourself a Universal Audio SP-1. We just auditioned some beside some real KM84s and everyone was impressed especially for that money. Did David Bock work on those ones for UA? |
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Post by ab101 on Oct 22, 2023 9:50:34 GMT -6
What about the Samar MG20 mics?
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Post by ericn on Oct 22, 2023 11:07:45 GMT -6
What about the Samar MG20 mics? Excellent choice, totally different price point. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 22, 2023 20:22:53 GMT -6
John for that price get yourself a Universal Audio SP-1. We just auditioned some beside some real KM84s and everyone was impressed especially for that money. That’s a big endorsement! I don’t need anything, just had never seen that. I really like the Soyuz sdc I have. |
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Post by phdamage on Oct 23, 2023 18:58:04 GMT -6
John for that price get yourself a Universal Audio SP-1. We just auditioned some beside some real KM84s and everyone was impressed especially for that money. was this with or without the mic modeling? just curious. |
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Post by Vincent R. on Oct 25, 2023 4:13:44 GMT -6
My guess is these are made in China. Probably similar to the Mic Parts kits. Still, buy one of the kits and then your own transformer, tube, and capsule, particularly for their LDCs, and you could build something very nice.
If you’re looking at the 84s, I would just get one or a pair of the Serrano’s. They sounded so good when I had them in here.
Most of the cloner’s and replica builders we love owe a lot to DIY open source forums. So I wouldn’t stress about that.
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Post by Ward on Oct 25, 2023 5:57:25 GMT -6
That's a hard pass from me
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Post by ericn on Oct 25, 2023 7:45:57 GMT -6
That's a hard pass from me There are so many reasonable priced undiscovered used SDC’s out there that chasing a budget Chinese 84 just doesn’t make sense. |
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Post by svart on Oct 25, 2023 7:50:46 GMT -6
Aren’t these the guys who “stole”, a lot of the group diy guys’ build ideas ? Show me a clone company that didn't do that to some degree.. And yes, it was all open source, but still. That's what happened. |
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Post by svart on Oct 25, 2023 7:52:24 GMT -6
And besides, the circuit was always simple to clone. It's been the capsule that's been hard to clone and the off-axis sound that makes the KM84 stand out is impossible to replicate without the capsule.
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Post by ericn on Oct 25, 2023 8:26:09 GMT -6
And besides, the circuit was always simple to clone. It's been the capsule that's been hard to clone and the off-axis sound that makes the KM84 stand out is impossible to replicate without the capsule. It’s always the capsule! |
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 25, 2023 8:36:43 GMT -6
Just to clarify: I don’t care whether you buy this or not. Just saw it and posted.
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Post by mcirish on Oct 25, 2023 8:42:25 GMT -6
And besides, the circuit was always simple to clone. It's been the capsule that's been hard to clone and the off-axis sound that makes the KM84 stand out is impossible to replicate without the capsule. Absolutely. If you don't take the off axis sound into account, the Oktava MK-012 is a near perfect match (sound-wise) for a KM84. It's when you get off axis that they start sounding different. I know Bill did testing on this and I spent a day doing my own tests with various SDCs. The KM84 and Oktava MK-012 are equals on acoustic guitar at the NBJ, 8" out. I thought they were so close (could not hear a difference in A/B tests) that I gave back the KM84's I had on long-term loan. But... there are other great SDC's that don't sound the same but are great anyway... MC930 |
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