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Post by copperx on Oct 2, 2023 15:42:33 GMT -6
Here's a crazy challenge / experiment; I hope you will partake. I don't have any prizes, except fame and glory in this thread.
The challenge: You're trying to record a drumkit with the most flexibility at mixdown (you want to have the most spot microphones as possible), and the lowest total price for the microphones, while still getting something that you personally regard as "good." List the microphones that you would use.
I will compute a score for you, and it will come from the formula score=5000/B+2N^1.5, where B is the total cost of the microphones in US dollars, and N is the number of microphones. The higher the total price, the lower the score. The higher the number of microphones, the higher the score (one FOK mic or a Recorderman setup will not give you a very high score). The score doesn't reflect subjective "quality," but don't use any microphones that you think suck. Don't worry, I'll compute the scores for everybody who participates.
Whoever gets a higher score wins. The prices that I will use for computing the score will be the average selling price on Reverb. I'll look those up one by one.
Thanks!
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Post by jeremygillespie on Oct 2, 2023 16:01:50 GMT -6
2 - fathead II’s for room
2 - Soyuz 0-13’s for OH
3 - Beyer M88’s kick and 2 Tom’s
1 - audix i5 snare top.
That gets the job done for me. I am going to hassle the hell out of the drummer to balance the ride and hat volume though.
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Post by gwlee7 on Oct 2, 2023 16:05:43 GMT -6
I let drumsound worry about this. So, whatever he says is my answer.  |
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Post by svart on Oct 2, 2023 16:13:16 GMT -6
Snare: ksm105. $$ but can be used on anything else too. No snare bottom needed. Best rejection I've found for the sensitivity.
Kick: D6
Toms: atm250
OH: km184 or mk012. Can be used for just about anything else too
Spots/ride/hats: mk012s.
Rooms: mk219s or lewitt 440
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Post by dok on Oct 2, 2023 16:15:33 GMT -6
Kick In: EV ND68 Kick Out: AT 3035 Floor Tom: Oktava MK 012 Rack Tom: EV N/D 468 Snare Top: Beyer M 201 Snare Bottom: Oktava MK 012 Overhead: Beyer M 160 Right Shoulder Omni: Dayton EMM6  |
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Post by drbill on Oct 2, 2023 16:22:57 GMT -6
I will compute a score for you, and it will come from the formula score=5000/B+2N^1.5, where B is the total cost of the microphones in US dollars, and N is the number of microphones. Sorry, I was not interested in the math or trying to keep track. So I'll pass on it. Otherwise, I'd just do like Pocarro and put 251's on everything. |
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Post by Ward on Oct 2, 2023 16:28:18 GMT -6
I will compute a score for you, and it will come from the formula score=5000/B+2N^1.5, where B is the total cost of the microphones in US dollars, and N is the number of microphones. Sorry, I was not interested in the math or trying to keep track. So I'll pass on it. Otherwise, I'd just do like Pocarro and put 251's on everything. <sigh> I wanted to be the killjoy this time Kick out Neumann U47fet Snare KM84 Toms Lauten LS308 x 3 Hats Beyer M201 OHs U67 x2 Rooms V24s 8 mics. ~$37k |
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Post by drumsound on Oct 2, 2023 16:32:22 GMT -6
Here's a crazy challenge / experiment; I hope you will partake. I don't have any prizes, except fame and glory in this thread. The challenge: You're trying to record a drumkit with the most flexibility at mixdown (you want to have the most spot microphones as possible), and the lowest total price for the microphones, while still getting something that you personally regard as "good." List the microphones that you would use. I will compute a score for you, and it will come from the formula score=5000/B+2N^1.5, where B is the total cost of the microphones in US dollars, and N is the number of microphones. The higher the total price, the lower the score. The higher the number of microphones, the higher the score (one FOK mic or a Recorderman setup will not give you a very high score). The score doesn't reflect subjective "quality," but don't use any microphones that you think suck. Don't worry, I'll compute the scores for everybody who participates. Whoever gets a higher score wins. The prices that I will use for computing the score will be the average selling price on Reverb. I'll look those up one by one. Thanks! I'm sorry, but without knowing the drumset itself, the player, the music, the production goals and general esthetic this is nearly impossible. I let drumsound worry about this. So, whatever he says is my answer. I can list what I've used on the majority of your tracks, but there are variations even in that. MC012 x2 OH M88 (2-3) on toms ATM23he snare (mostly, but not always) e602 BD 635a (x2) room (often, but many other characters show up) But there are times when you send a different type of tune, I go for a different type of setup. For instance on one track I recorded a 5 gallon water bottle with on mic (god knows which one) in the 'mouth' of the bottle to sound like a heartbeat. Then there was the time I set up in the dead booth with a big old BD and a low tuned snare. That had a U87 on the BD and a Røde TF5 on snare. |
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Post by copperx on Oct 2, 2023 16:48:54 GMT -6
2 - fathead II’s for room 2 - Soyuz 0-13’s for OH 3 - Beyer M88’s kick and 2 Tom’s 1 - audix i5 snare top. That gets the job done for me. I am going to hassle the hell out of the drummer to balance the ride and hat volume though. Average Reverb Prices: 2x Fathead II. $500. 2x Soyus: $773 3x Beyer : $823.50 1x Audix i5: $55.5 Grand total: $2152. 8 Microphones. Score: 66.323 |
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Post by copperx on Oct 2, 2023 16:54:04 GMT -6
Snare: ksm105. $$ but can be used on anything else too. No snare bottom needed. Best rejection I've found for the sensitivity. Kick: D6 Toms: atm250 OH: km184 or mk012. Can be used for just about anything else too Spots/ride/hats: mk012s. Rooms: mk219s or lewitt 440 D6. $90 atm250. $110 each. Assuming 2x. Oktava MK012. $200. each Assuming 2x MK219. $150 each. Assuming 2x Spot MK012. $200. Total: $1210. 8 microphones. Score = 68.132 |
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Post by paulcheeba on Oct 2, 2023 17:20:54 GMT -6
Beyer M88
Neumann U47 fet
Unidyne
AEA N22
Beesneez BC12a
Coles 4038
Josephson e22
AEA 44
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Post by ab101 on Oct 2, 2023 18:07:19 GMT -6
I can't answer it fully or any better than others. I have two Josephson e22s mics for toms (and handdrums/tablas). Ideally, I would have three - one for each tom in the standard drum set up that I have.
Oh - and a pair of Neumann 67ri for overheads. (though I am curious about the Heiserman 47ts in dual omni and Stam 87ts on overheads - just have not tried them yet.)
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Post by Blackdawg on Oct 2, 2023 18:22:58 GMT -6
I have two setups genre dependent:
Overheads: Schoeps MK2
Kick: RE20
Snare: SM57
Toms: DPA4099
or
Overheads: AEA N8
Snare: SM57
Kick: N8
Toms: DPA4099
I do live stuff usually so room mics aren't a thing. So 6ch baby. Every other mic on stage is a "room mic" ha
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Post by smashlord on Oct 2, 2023 18:30:57 GMT -6
OH- 4038s
SNT- M201
KI-M88
KO-Warm 47jr (recently pleasantly surprised by this one!)
R- KSM44
FL- KSM44
Room- R84
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Post by knucklehead89 on Oct 2, 2023 19:12:29 GMT -6
Ok I’ll play. This is what I’d throw up in this scenario that could cover any genre
Kick - AKG D12VR
Snare Top - SE V7X
Rack Tom - Heil PR31
Floor Tom - Heil PR31
OH pair - Apex 460’s (modded with C12 style capsules from microphone parts) if this isn’t accepted than Soyuz 013’s
Crotch/Kit mic - Coles 4038
Mono Room Mic - SM57 pointed at the title floor
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Post by sean on Oct 2, 2023 19:43:00 GMT -6
Well if the idea is to be cheap…
Kick In: Sennheiser e602 (original, not II)
Snare Top: Shure SM57
Snare Bottom: Shure SM57
Hi Hat: AKG C460B-ULS with CK61
Rack: Oktava MK-012-01 with Pad
Floor: Oktava MK-012-01 with Pad
Overhead Left: sE VR1
Overhead Right: sE VR1
Used that should be like $1000
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Post by drbill on Oct 2, 2023 20:13:46 GMT -6
Sorry, I was not interested in the math or trying to keep track. So I'll pass on it. Otherwise, I'd just do like Pocarro and put 251's on everything. <sigh> I wanted to be the killjoy this time Kick out Neumann U47fet Snare KM84 Toms Lauten LS308 x 3 Hats Beyer M201 OHs U67 x2 Rooms V24s 8 mics. ~$37k I hate to be the math killjoy Ward , but that's 9 mics. PS - what's my "score" if I'm using 8 vintage 251's? I'd be more than willing to adjust my score up by using 8 Heiserman 251's..... |
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Post by RealNoob on Oct 2, 2023 20:35:48 GMT -6
oops - 8 mics only....
1ea Room - Beesneez Oliver FET = $350
2ea OH - Beesneez LuLu FETs = $760.00
1ea Kick - Shure Beta 91 = $250.00
1ea Snare Top - SM57 = $99.00
3ea Tom Mics - Beesneez Oliver FET = $1047
Total = $2,500
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Post by theboris on Oct 2, 2023 21:33:21 GMT -6
the following may not be as much of a kill joy as the joy killed in me when a thread gets derailed, an attempt to bring it back on, and people seem determine to run it into the ground again* but nonetheless....
*such threads could be deserving of their own mathematical formulas as well. or a RGO Bingo board per thread...
anyhow, main confusion here cooper is that your formula doesn't seem to take into account the stated goal of flexibility. So a pair of MXL 603 SDCs close to cymbals vs. maybe twice that cost for a pair of deccent ribbons or S/LDCs FOK mathematically give the edge to the OHs. And this is to say nothing of sound quality of individual mics or placement. i don't have a kit anymore, but far cooler would be posting a pic and a recording of the mics in question. which limits your participation somewhat... but maybe i'm missing your point / goals / what you care about, and what you don't care about!
anyhow, if just listing mics, what about DIY mics we've built - what do those get valued at if no reverb hx on them?
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Post by phdamage on Oct 2, 2023 21:36:37 GMT -6
Kick in: Dr Alien Smith Alien 8
Snare top: Oktava MK012
Snare bot:SM57
Toms: SE Electronics X1D (got all mine for $72 each, tho they are discontinued
OH: Beyer MC930 pair
Room: if stereo mics are permitted 12 Gauge microphones black. If not: old school RadioShack square PZM
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Post by geoff738 on Oct 2, 2023 21:41:01 GMT -6
Ok, despite not having recorded drums seriously in about 25 years, here goes.
Oktava mc012 on oh (2)
M201 on side of snare
At25 on toms (2?)
SM7 or 421 or RE20 inside kick. Whatever’s cheapest
Soundeluxe U195 on outside kick
Cheapest decent ribbon for room. Cascade maybe?
Assuming rock, and the caveat that I only included mics I actually own excepting the room mic. I only have one ribbon, and it is not on the cheap end of the scale.
Cheers,
Geoff
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Post by ragan on Oct 2, 2023 22:33:17 GMT -6
ADK Cremona (2) - OH or room, can swap with FH
Fathead (2) - OH or room, can swap with Cremona
Shure Beta 52 - kick, my fav of the purpose-built kick mics
CAD m179 (2) - toms, still like them a lot for this
Shure SM57 - snare
For either the Cremona or FH pair, you could also do mono OH and the other as a batter side/crotch/kit mic. Or do stereo OH and mono room, mono batter/crotch/kit mic.
Budget friendly and will sound good if your drums in your room sound good.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2023 1:29:14 GMT -6
Cheap, sturdy and doesn't suck?
2x EV635a. 320 dollars
2x KSM 137 or 141. 700-900 dollars.
1x SM57 for snare. 100 dollars.
2x PR40 for kick and floor tom. 700 dollars.
1x ATM450. 280 dollars. I'll find a use for it.
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Post by antipodesjosh on Oct 3, 2023 1:54:00 GMT -6
Kick - sm57
Snare - sm57
Toms - sm57 x 2
OH - sm57 x 2
HH - sm57
= sm57 x 7
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Post by skav on Oct 3, 2023 4:39:52 GMT -6
Kick reso D112
Snare top SM57
OH SM57
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