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Post by bgrotto on Aug 23, 2023 8:20:14 GMT -6
Guess Jules and co. are eyeballing Elon's recent (mis?)steps.
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Post by notneeson on Aug 23, 2023 8:33:16 GMT -6
Guess Jules and co. are eyeballing Elon's recent (mis?)steps. You too can pay good money to be misinformed! |
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 23, 2023 8:35:10 GMT -6
Guess we’re about to get busier here.
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Post by ericn on Aug 23, 2023 8:39:47 GMT -6
Interesting, I see the advantages of a constant revenue stream but I see 2 major issues.
First it probably will be more of a subscription/ advertiser hybrid. Who are you more beholden to ? We all know in the past GS has taken a pro advertiser stance, and yeah they pay the bills, but if your members are also pay to play…
Second those advertisers crave the newbies, that’s where growth and margin are, basically am I competing with the place I’m advertising for those newbies audio budget?
Wonder if Jules see’s the VC money that bought Sweetwater and Avid and wants his share. This sort of represents the modern difference between paid subscribers and distributed copies in the old print days. I mean we all got our free copies of all the mags, but when it came to buying ads, the rates were all negotiated based on how many people were paying for their copies.
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Post by Ward on Aug 23, 2023 8:42:42 GMT -6
They sent out a poll.
Currently, 67% have voted FLAT-OUT against it with more saying 'probably not ever use it'
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Post by bgrotto on Aug 23, 2023 8:48:32 GMT -6
It's moronic. As I keep saying in the thread, the thoughtful, knowledgable users (which, let's be honest, are an IMPOSSIBLY SMALL MINORITY on that site) are the ones who provide the ACTUAL value. The platform itself is worthless without their presence.
And the notion of 'ad-free' is a canard. The most effective ads are threads that praise a specific piece of gear. THAT is what sells the gear, not to mention, drives much of the conversation around those parts. You can take away the ads the manufacturers are paying for, but there's no such thing as ad-free GS (or any 'gear' website, for that matter).
The whole thing reeks of this classic tech bullshit where the platform gets elevated above the folks actually creating the content (and thus, the value), by the tech folks who make the platform.
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Post by bgrotto on Aug 23, 2023 8:49:21 GMT -6
Guess we’re about to get busier here. I hope for your sake that's true, though one thing I really value about this place is the tighter sense of community, and general lack of disruptive dipshits. |
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Post by teejay on Aug 23, 2023 8:50:34 GMT -6
Guess we’re about to get busier here. There goes the neighborhood. |
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Post by Ward on Aug 23, 2023 8:55:38 GMT -6
It's moronic. As I keep saying in the thread, the thoughtful, knowledgable users (which, let's be honest, are an IMPOSSIBLY SMALL MINORITY on that site) are the ones who provide the ACTUAL value. The platform itself is worthless without their presence. And the notion of 'ad-free' is a canard. The most effective ads are threads that praise a specific piece of gear. THAT is what sells the gear, not to mention, drives much of the conversation around those parts. You can take away the ads the manufacturers are paying for, but there's no such thing as ad-free GS (or any 'gear' website, for that matter). The whole thing reeks of this classic tech bullshit where the platform gets elevated above the folks actually creating the content (and thus, the value), by the tech folks who make the platform. We know how things CAN go over there... it can be a next of vipers on any given thread at any given time. I've experienced a great deal of wrath from a few blow-hards (who aren't even in our field) amateurs who search the net for anything to use against you to win some brownie points with their fellow pizza faced, mama's basement dwelling, 35-40 year old unemployed gamers. There exists a management attitude of "we are the kings, bow down and pay homage lowly peasants" there as well, which whilst endearing to many can be off-putting to some of us. |
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Post by bgrotto on Aug 23, 2023 9:07:59 GMT -6
Nearly every audio professional I know scowls a very specific scowl when the subject of GS is raised (and I KNOW everyone of you here knows exactly the one I mean 😂). Half of them have abandoned the site altogether, the rest either stick to lurking or post using an alias. I'm probably the only person I know who uses his real name over there still. I had an alias for a while but they banned it (oops). I contemplate nuking my existing account and going incognito, but I still have nice relationships with a few users and would be bummed to forgo those.
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Post by Ward on Aug 23, 2023 9:09:02 GMT -6
Nearly every audio professional I know scowls a very specific scowl when the subject of GS is raised (and I KNOW everyone of you here knows exactly the one I mean 😂). Half of them have abandoned the site altogether, the rest either stick to lurking or post using an alias. I'm probably the only person I know who uses his real name over there still. I had an alias for a while but they banned it (oops). I contemplate nuking my existing account and going incognito, but I still have nice relationships with a few users and would be bummed to forgo those. I anticipate doing that as well. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2023 9:14:43 GMT -6
Guess we’re about to get busier here. First thing I thought, so every week we'll get a 50 page thread on ITB V.S OTB, the importance of mic amps etc. 25 pages of that will be people calling each other stupid. Then it'll drift off into politics, the Beatles and a 500 word essay on why audio equipment doesn't matter even though they're on a pro audio website.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2023 9:26:14 GMT -6
But I still have nice relationships with a few users and would be bummed to forgo those. I know John Willet, Adrian B. and I've had some interaction with Paul Frindle. I don't speak to them as much after the purple site which is an absolute shame, some of the coolest most knowledgable people you'll ever meet. I mean we have a boat load of awesome on this side as well but there's quite a few that I'd very much welcome to the "dark blue" side. |
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Post by christopher on Aug 23, 2023 9:30:30 GMT -6
They sent out a poll. Currently, 67% have voted FLAT-OUT against it with more saying 'probably not ever use it' If they can get the 10% to pay more than the advertisers do, they might go for it anyway? Maybe Management is finally sick of the content? |
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Post by bgrotto on Aug 23, 2023 9:32:56 GMT -6
Guess we’re about to get busier here. John - if things got busy like that round here, I wonder if you might consider a hidden "OGs-only" forum, available to non-dipshits. (hopefully I'd be invited🤣) |
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Post by mcirish on Aug 23, 2023 9:34:15 GMT -6
The problem with GS is the type of people who are most vocal there. I don't know who most of them are but they sure are loud about their opinions. Often, I wonder if all forums should force people to use their real names. At least then you can find out who you are dealing with. I go there a few times a week and am always amazed at how abusive a lot of posters are there. A lot of people think way too highly of themselves. As soon as someone starts that crap, I unfollow the threads. I have no time or need to get involved in jr high social politics, and my mic is bigger than yours ridiculousness.
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Post by bgrotto on Aug 23, 2023 9:34:40 GMT -6
They sent out a poll. Currently, 67% have voted FLAT-OUT against it with more saying 'probably not ever use it' If they can get the 10% to pay more than the advertisers do, they might go for it anyway? Maybe Management is finally sick of the content?This is an interesting consideration. Makes me wonder about the relationship between mods and subscribers...I suppose if I was ponying up my hard-earned bucks to 'subscribe' to GS, I'd be more than a bit vexed at any moderator tampering. |
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Post by bgrotto on Aug 23, 2023 9:39:18 GMT -6
The problem with GS is the type of people who are most vocal there. I don't know who most of them are but they sure are loud about their opinions. Often, I wonder if all forums should force people to use their real names. At least then you can find out who you are dealing with. I go there a few times a week and am always amazed at how abusive a lot of posters are there. A lot of people think way too highly of themselves. As soon as someone starts that crap, I unfollow the threads. I have no time or need to get involved in jr high social politics. I actually welcome the loud, opinionated voices....when they're well informed and thoughtful. I don't even have to (or, hell, WANT to) agree with them. I love hearing from smart opinionated people who really know their shit. Problem is, those people are rare at GS, and often drowned out by the dipshits (I guess 'dipshit' is my word of the day). One thing I've loved about working at Berklee these last couple years, the faculty there is super diverse, with VERY differing opinions, and ALL of them are 100% right. Oh, and it probably goes without saying: every one of us is CERTAIN our way is the best way 😂 Talk about loud and opinionated. But our gatherings are mutually respectful and fucking FUN. I love explaining to students why the rants in my class are directly at odds with the rants they heard in my colleagues' classes, and how all of us are right and that the student should weigh all these divergent opinions equally. That's life! |
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Post by ericn on Aug 23, 2023 9:41:38 GMT -6
Guess we’re about to get busier here. John - if things got busy like that round here, I wonder if you might consider a hidden "OGs-only" forum, available to non-dipshits. (hopefully I'd be invited🤣) I never understood why Jules didn’t go that route. I’m sure most would have still contributed to the general public threads, but it would have been an escape. |
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Post by bgrotto on Aug 23, 2023 9:42:39 GMT -6
John - if things got busy like that round here, I wonder if you might consider a hidden "OGs-only" forum, available to non-dipshits. (hopefully I'd be invited🤣) I never understood why Jules didn’t go that route. I’m sure most would have still contributed to the general public threads, but it would have been an escape. MAYBE HE HAS🤯 |
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Post by Quint on Aug 23, 2023 9:43:55 GMT -6
Interesting, I see the advantages of a constant revenue stream but I see 2 major issues. First it probably will be more of a subscription/ advertiser hybrid. Who are you more beholden to ? We all know in the past GS has taken a pro advertiser stance, and yeah they pay the bills, but if your members are also pay to play… Second those advertisers crave the newbies, that’s where growth and margin are, basically am I competing with the place I’m advertising for those newbies audio budget? Wonder if Jules see’s the VC money that bought Sweetwater and Avid and wants his share. This sort of represents the modern difference between paid subscribers and distributed copies in the old print days. I mean we all got our free copies of all the mags, but when it came to buying ads, the rates were all negotiated based on how many people were paying for their copies. I get on there occasionally, mostly just to inquire about acoustics now that John Sayers site is defunct, but any subscription model will permanently shut the door on me going over there. As to being shilled at by gear manufacturers, they now want me to pay for the privilege of dealing with advertiser bias? And you know that shit won't stop, even when people start paying for membership. It'll be the same old "posts got mysteriously deleted" situation that's been going on over there for years. |
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Post by Quint on Aug 23, 2023 9:45:14 GMT -6
It's moronic. As I keep saying in the thread, the thoughtful, knowledgable users (which, let's be honest, are an IMPOSSIBLY SMALL MINORITY on that site) are the ones who provide the ACTUAL value. The platform itself is worthless without their presence. And the notion of 'ad-free' is a canard. The most effective ads are threads that praise a specific piece of gear. THAT is what sells the gear, not to mention, drives much of the conversation around those parts. You can take away the ads the manufacturers are paying for, but there's no such thing as ad-free GS (or any 'gear' website, for that matter). The whole thing reeks of this classic tech bullshit where the platform gets elevated above the folks actually creating the content (and thus, the value), by the tech folks who make the platform. Yeah, I think something similar happened over on Reddit recently. I know it caused a big uproar. |
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Post by drumsound on Aug 23, 2023 10:03:56 GMT -6
I was a pretty early member after recording.org went subscription as the owner went nuts. I still check in and sometimes make posts, but there are so many threads I never open. I don't want to see them fail, but I'm not subscribing either.
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Post by drumsound on Aug 23, 2023 10:09:34 GMT -6
Also, where is this poll?
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Post by ragan on Aug 23, 2023 10:17:26 GMT -6
I never understood why Jules didn’t go that route. I’m sure most would have still contributed to the general public threads, but it would have been an escape. MAYBE HE HAS🤯 I got invited into some sort of super users private GS years ago. We got some free Flux plug-ins too. I never really spent any time in there and eventually my access got revoked. |
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