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Post by tasteliketape on Jul 6, 2023 10:20:39 GMT -6
Just a few minutes with the demo and it seems to be smoother than the Soothe plugin (?) . There is an annoying voice that comes on the demo every few .
59$ intro price
Need more time with it , but it’s interesting on first impressions
Edit Real time no latency ,32 adjustable bands
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Post by bgrotto on Jul 6, 2023 10:50:44 GMT -6
Looks cool. Eager to demo it.
Seems to do something rather different from what soothe does, so I'm not sure that's an apt/fair comparison. This is more in the vein of TEOTE or Gullfoss, but the interface looks much more intuitive than the former and the feature set and controllability is much greater than the latter.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2023 11:51:23 GMT -6
Looks cool but I never use this ai eq stuff.
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Post by lpedrum on Jul 6, 2023 14:55:31 GMT -6
Just tried the demo and would be very curious to hear other's takes. My mixes are often "un-hyped" eq-wise for lack of a better term, so sometimes it's interesting to hear what different tools do to a mix regarding clarity and balance. As Dan said, I'm not looking to have AI do all of the work for me. That said, if a plugin can train my ears to hear differently and save me time to work on the actual music I'm open to its use. At first listen I could see myself using this--but we all know how seductive first listens can be!
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Post by gmichael on Jul 6, 2023 17:47:39 GMT -6
Just tried the demo and would be very curious to hear other's takes. My mixes are often "un-hyped" eq-wise for lack of a better term, so sometimes it's interesting to hear what different tools do to a mix regarding clarity and balance. As Dan said, I'm not looking to have AI do all of the work for me. That said, if a plugin can train my ears to hear differently and save me time to work on the actual music I'm open to its use. At first listen I could see myself using this--but we all know how seductive first listens can be! Interesting mixes are more often not super balanced in the way this particular eq might be aiming to take a mix. Interesting mixes have more character and intrigue not because they are acutely balanced but because they reflect the aesthetic and taste of the producer and the mix engineer. I am interested in this EQ but only for recovery of audio that has been recorded poorly, particularly vocals and acoustic guitars. I'm not even sure I would print the results provided by the EQ but perhaps I would be steered in a direction to recover audio in a artifact free and more graceful and be able to work that little bit faster. I don't try to work at a break neck pace ever but it is possible that this eq could reveal things that haste overshoots. I would never ever put this on a master fader becauser the risk of destroying an aesthetic for the sake of balance just seems counter creative and boring to me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2023 20:43:04 GMT -6
Just tried the demo and would be very curious to hear other's takes. My mixes are often "un-hyped" eq-wise for lack of a better term, so sometimes it's interesting to hear what different tools do to a mix regarding clarity and balance. As Dan said, I'm not looking to have AI do all of the work for me. That said, if a plugin can train my ears to hear differently and save me time to work on the actual music I'm open to its use. At first listen I could see myself using this--but we all know how seductive first listens can be! Interesting mixes are more often not super balanced in the way this particular eq might be aiming to take a mix. Interesting mixes have more character and intrigue not because they are acutely balanced but because they reflect the aesthetic and taste of the producer and the mix engineer. I am interested in this EQ but only for recovery of audio that has been recorded poorly, particularly vocals and acoustic guitars. I'm not even sure I would print the results provided by the EQ but perhaps I would be steered in a direction to recover audio in a artifact free and more graceful and be able to work that little bit faster. I don't try to work at a break neck pace ever but it is possible that this eq could reveal things that haste overshoots. I would never ever put this on a master fader becauser the risk of destroying an aesthetic for the sake of balance just seems counter creative and boring to me.
The "tone" of most of my mixes is determined by how it was recorded, what was recorded, and how it needs to fit in the final mix. I use broad boosts and shelves fairly often but nothing like CLA. I've done records that pretty much had no kick drum captured from being all room mics or the kick drum was a thud because of how it was miced and processed on the way in and that was perfectly acceptable and not muddy. What the hell would AI plugins do to those? Many great mixes are pretty unbalanced or even unclear but fit the material perfectly. They're iconic and there's no way in hell that it wasn't intentional with bigger budgets or bringing lower fidelity prosumer or transportable equipment into a mid level pro or project studios that would let them use what they wanted without question.
Soothe, Gulfoss, and Teote tend to ruin and universalize things to the modern, plastic distortion with nasty treble ideal. Gulfoss makes things really bright in a very particular way. It can gut the body of a mix and bring out what is unpleasant to match terrible modern productions as much as it work. Soothe sounds like a telephone half the time. I've heard cassette recordings that are higher fidelity than "Soothed" ones and prefer editing and dynamic eq. Spiff was made to combat 1176 overshoot from too slow of an attack dug in too far and the crazy misbehavior from certain horrible 1176 plugs. The easy solution is to just use better compressors of which there are many.
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Post by gmichael on Jul 6, 2023 22:01:38 GMT -6
Interesting mixes are more often not super balanced in the way this particular eq might be aiming to take a mix. Interesting mixes have more character and intrigue not because they are acutely balanced but because they reflect the aesthetic and taste of the producer and the mix engineer. I am interested in this EQ but only for recovery of audio that has been recorded poorly, particularly vocals and acoustic guitars. I'm not even sure I would print the results provided by the EQ but perhaps I would be steered in a direction to recover audio in a artifact free and more graceful and be able to work that little bit faster. I don't try to work at a break neck pace ever but it is possible that this eq could reveal things that haste overshoots. I would never ever put this on a master fader becauser the risk of destroying an aesthetic for the sake of balance just seems counter creative and boring to me.
The "tone" of most of my mixes is determined by how it was recorded, what was recorded, and how it needs to fit in the final mix. I use broad boosts and shelves fairly often but nothing like CLA. I've done records that pretty much had no kick drum captured from being all room mics or the kick drum was a thud because of how it was miced and processed on the way in and that was perfectly acceptable and not muddy. What the hell would AI plugins do to those? Many great mixes are pretty unbalanced or even unclear but fit the material perfectly. They're iconic and there's no way in hell that it wasn't intentional with bigger budgets or bringing lower fidelity prosumer or transportable equipment into a mid level pro or project studios that would let them use what they wanted without question.
Soothe, Gulfoss, and Teote tend to ruin and universalize things to the modern, plastic distortion with nasty treble ideal. Gulfoss makes things really bright in a very particular way. It can gut the body of a mix and bring out what is unpleasant to match terrible modern productions as much as it work. Soothe sounds like a telephone half the time. I've heard cassette recordings that are higher fidelity than "Soothed" ones and prefer editing and dynamic eq. Spiff was made to combat 1176 overshoot from too slow of an attack dug in too far and the crazy misbehavior from certain horrible 1176 plugs. The easy solution is to just use better compressors of which there are many.
I agree Dan, and much of what you have described is how we approach recordings. The "mix" is captured at the microphone, which is entirely dependent on where we place mics. We call it chasing the flame, as opposed to just setting the mic where it's commonly placed or any other silliness.
What we capture, is in a sense, the mix. The chain we use is pretty standard. An outstanding EQ and compressor we actually use.
No post resonance suppression or EQ yoga is going to ever come close to what needed to have been sorted out at the microphone. I do think these WF eq things are useful, but mainly as a recovery tool. The idea that anyone could learn to mix into a tool like this is the antithesis of engineering and a deep dark rabbit hole that could take an aspiring engineer off into to no mans land for who knows how long.
With Soothe and those plugins, they can be used effectively if used in small doses but what I find hilarious is someone will submit a mix heavily soothed or gllfossed and then ask the ME to make it sound analogue. Pure comedy. The problem is that everything is being sold at break neck pace and all these influencer people seem to take turns telling their adoring devout followers that this next plugin is the kippers knickers and it should be on every mix ever from now on. So maybe it's more pathetic than hilarious.
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Post by lpedrum on Jul 31, 2023 13:52:08 GMT -6
Anyone else give the demo of this a try? This appears to be the last day of the introductory 50% off sale.
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