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Post by ml on Jun 20, 2023 16:01:53 GMT -6
I did a quick and dirty vocal mic shootout. 3 mics recorded clean through a BAE 1073mp, files are raw with no processing. I also included the guide track. Looking for suggestions on other mics to try that might work better on me. Mics: FILES: app.box.com/s/winb3skoolckdmk6rhex06sjtclwfc4e |
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Post by mike on Jun 20, 2023 21:57:13 GMT -6
Link didn't work for me.
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Post by hadaja on Jun 20, 2023 22:58:58 GMT -6
Glad to know i am not the only person these google drive files dont seem to work for whe you upload them to a site.
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Post by ml on Jun 21, 2023 6:25:25 GMT -6
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Post by ml on Jun 21, 2023 6:27:04 GMT -6
Glad to know i am not the only person these google drive files dont seem to work for whe you upload them to a site. New link up! I don't know why I thought drive would work this time haha |
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Post by mike on Jun 21, 2023 7:25:23 GMT -6
google drive has worked fine for me and found I usually didn't have the right permissions settings for links whenever it didn't work for me fwiw.
For me the choice was easy preferring the weight and balance of the 67ri I thought sounded very nice. Is that the stock tube in it?
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Post by ml on Jun 21, 2023 8:25:37 GMT -6
google drive has worked fine for me and found I usually didn't have the right permissions settings for links whenever it didn't work for me fwiw. For me the choice was easy preferring the weight and balance of the 67ri I thought sounded very nice. Is that the stock tube in it? Yes stock tube |
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Post by mike on Jun 21, 2023 10:11:25 GMT -6
For me the choice was easy preferring the weight and balance of the 67ri I thought sounded very nice. Is that the stock tube in it? Yes stock tube While I think your 67 sounds nice as is and is easily my preference, .. fwiw my experience with a 67ri is while I found the stock tube sounded not bad, I preferred a good NOS tube from the 50's/60's from either Amperex or Telefunken in mine which seemed to take it up another notch. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 21, 2023 12:46:57 GMT -6
By itself, the 67 sounds more pleasing. In a track though, the Manley could work better. I would guess the 67 would still be my first choice, but I'd love to hear the same vocals with the music to see how that sounds.
Nice test, thanks ML.
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Post by tkaitkai on Jun 21, 2023 13:37:23 GMT -6
U67 all the way. It just sounds right to me. Fits your voice like a glove and sits perfectly in the mix.
The Ref C does sound really good on your voice (much better than it ever did on mine), but given the choice, I would pick the 67.
The SM7 is nice, too. A little EQ and I bet it would hold up well to the other two.
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Post by ml on Jun 21, 2023 13:58:01 GMT -6
While I think your 67 sounds nice as is and is easily my preference, .. fwiw my experience with a 67ri is while I found the stock tube sounded not bad, I preferred a good NOS tube from the 50's/60's from either Amperex or Telefunken in mine which seemed to take it up another notch. I did have a chat with bowie about a nos tube, but I got sidetracked and never pulled the trigger. I may have to revisit that convo. What preamps do you like with yours? |
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Post by ml on Jun 21, 2023 14:03:48 GMT -6
By itself, the 67 sounds more pleasing. In a track though, the Manley could work better. I would guess the 67 would still be my first choice, but I'd love to hear the same vocals with the music to see how that sounds. Nice test, thanks ML. Yeah I agree by itself the 67 does sound the best in this example. Here's the link to the music track: app.box.com/s/98zngf42hyocp8jh3ibd7472j9jxm5mz |
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Post by ml on Jun 21, 2023 15:02:49 GMT -6
U67 all the way. It just sounds right to me. Fits your voice like a glove and sits perfectly in the mix. The Ref C does sound really good on your voice (much better than it ever did on mine), but given the choice, I would pick the 67. The SM7 is nice, too. A little EQ and I bet it would hold up well to the other two. I like the 67 the best too in this example, but I also don’t hate the Manley even though it gets a lot of flack. The SM7 always works on me. But I’d still like to try and find a complimentary mic with more of a scooped midrange. |
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Post by mike on Jun 21, 2023 16:26:07 GMT -6
What preamps do you like with yours? Preamps are such a subjective preference taste thing where one man's junk is another's treasure, but so far the one I've used the most with it does the warm clean but not clinical thing and I use a MartinSound Martech MSS-10 |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 21, 2023 19:38:12 GMT -6
ml, thanks for posting the new link. Those vocals are so down low in the mix, I thought my headphones were only partially plugged in. The music sounded really good though.
I had the Manley Ref C for two days, it was surprisingly good, but I've had quite a few mics that were $1,000 or more less that worked better for my voice. I preferred my Soyuz 0-19, even though it was FET, and also the Blackspade UM-17R comes to mind.
Both my Stam SA67 and SA47 were better for me. I'd love to compare them to the Neumann's one day.
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Post by ml on Jun 21, 2023 20:01:49 GMT -6
ml, thanks for posting the new link. Those vocals are so down low in the mix, I thought my headphones were only partially plugged in. The music sounded really good though. I had the Manley Ref C for two days, it was surprisingly good, but I've had quite a few mics that were $1,000 or more less that worked better for my voice. I preferred my Soyuz 0-19, even though it was FET, and also the Blackspade UM-17R comes to mind. Both my Stam SA67 and SA47 were better for me. I'd love to compare them to the Neumann's one day. Oh I think I misunderstood. That clip was just a backing track no lead vocals. I thought you wanted to audition the mic files over the music. I think the Manley vs the Soyuz 0-17 would be a great comparison. I’d love to try a Soyuz sometime. I never tried a 47 style mic except for the warm wa47 which apparently is nothing like a real one but I thought it was actually pretty good. |
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Post by ml on Jun 21, 2023 20:47:36 GMT -6
What preamps do you like with yours? Preamps are such a subjective preference taste thing where one man's junk is another's treasure, but so far the one I've used the most with it does the warm clean but not clinical thing and I use a MartinSound Martech MSS-10 Wouldn’t mind having one of those! I usually run mine through a lachapell 983 which is the cleanest pre I have. |
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Post by ironinthepath on Jun 22, 2023 9:50:49 GMT -6
Nice track and nice voice! Two thoughts:
1. Would have been nice to keep the shootout "blind" for a while --> it's so easy for me to choose the "nicer" mic when I already know what it is.
2. I think you will be fine with the above options (the condensers clearly beat-out the dynamic), but in my opinion a mic somewhere in-between the U67ri and the Ref C would be a more ideal fit - the clarity of the Ref C but with somewhat less brightness, at least that's how I picture it for this style of music. Maybe some simple EQ with the U67 would get you there though.
And thanks for sharing your art!
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Post by EmRR on Jun 22, 2023 9:59:46 GMT -6
What preamps do you like with yours? My go-to with the 67 has been an RCA BA-2 with a 20dB pad between them. It has a natural upper lift that puts a little air back in the smoothest possible way. Of the other similar tube pre’s here, the BA-2 has the best headroom, most others can get undesirably crunchy. I like it into the Hardy 990 kinda thing too. |
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Post by Ward on Jun 22, 2023 13:01:52 GMT -6
First of all, ML, thank you for sharing and trusting your peers here with something as personal as this raw voice work. Is that your singing?
Seoncdly, that's a pretty good song there! Did you write or co-write it?
Down to the mics. I'm making my comments before reading ANYBODY ELSE's. If I see I commented the same thing, it's just because someone else here is as special as my mom told me I was.
labeled SM7b. Holy smokes, that sounds awful wooly, much more than even mine which I hate for everything besides guide vocals
labeled 67ri. Crikey, that's sibilant for a U67! If that's the stock tube, you have to try some others! My '67 has a 1967 Amperex diamond in it now and is just amazingly beautiful. Especially for a song/vocal like this.
labeled Manley Ref-C. I mean, yes, the Manley is known for being rather C12 like but WOW that was really sibilint also. Even more than the U67ri
Preamp choice may have played a part... but any chance you were using a Steadman pop filter? Unless positioned on an angle, those Steadmans are known for increasing sibilance. If you don't own a Hakan pop killer, I would contact our friend Warren Dent at Zen Pro Audio and order one, stat!
Were these all sung at the same time (sounds like it, looks like it, just asking) ? All the same preamps?
Finally, thank you so much for trusting us and sharing
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Post by Ward on Jun 22, 2023 13:07:28 GMT -6
SNIP . . . What preamps do you like with yours? for the record, I'm still 100% with the matt@IAA Qp5. Absolutely over the moon with this preamp for my Heiserman 47, cdkelly 48 and Neumann U67ri It may sound like it, but I'm not shilling for Iron Age. I just think this preamp is the TITS with a tube condenser. |
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Post by Ward on Jun 22, 2023 13:08:06 GMT -6
P.S. Read the other post comments and find it interesting that we all think alike on this!
What a great forum to hang out in.
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Post by ml on Jun 22, 2023 16:35:58 GMT -6
First of all, ML, thank you for sharing and trusting your peers here with something as personal as this raw voice work. Is that your singing? Seoncdly, that's a pretty good song there! Did you write or co-write it? Anytime! Yes that's me singing, and no (I wish) that's a Darius Rucker song I used for the shootout. labeled SM7b. Holy smokes, that sounds awful wooly, much more than even mine which I hate for everything besides guide vocals I was eating the mic / basically kissing the foam windscreen, probably why its extra wooly? Crikey, that's sibilant for a U67! If that's the stock tube, you have to try some others! Yeah its the stock tube, I think its time to try out some others! ..any chance you were using a Steadman pop filter? Unless positioned on an angle, those Steadmans are known for increasing sibilance. No I used a Shure PS-6 - Popper Stopper Were these all sung at the same time (sounds like it, looks like it, just asking) ? All the same preamps? Same preamp (BAE 1073mp) and no they were recorded separately, but back to back Finally, thank you so much for trusting us and sharing Of course! and thank you for sharing your opinions and insight! |
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Post by ericn on Jun 22, 2023 21:13:39 GMT -6
Okay, first let me admit I have a problem with the Manley and Eva Anne knows my problem some how that hand selected Chinese capsule absolutely always reaches higher than it should! Damn it Tell us who’s buying the rejects!!!!!!!
One source shoot outs are as much about the source as the results, Chris gas proven way to many times that on the right source a cheap mic can work, they really are not as bad as we would like them to be, but on the wrong source the show why the 87 is the 87.
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Post by ml on Jun 23, 2023 7:47:14 GMT -6
Okay, first let me admit I have a problem with the Manley and Eva Anne knows my problem some how that hand selected Chinese capsule absolutely always reaches higher than it should! Damn it Tell us who’s buying the rejects!!!!!!! One source shoot outs are as much about the source as the results, Chris gas proven way to many times that on the right source a cheap mic can work, they really are not as bad as we would like them to be, but on the wrong source the show why the 87 is the 87. It would be interesting to hear the Manley with a Neumann capsule in it. |
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