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Post by Martin John Butler on Apr 10, 2023 12:18:39 GMT -6
There was nothing online saying this could be done, so here I am. My friend recorded an acoustic track that's a little off time here and there. Then he added more instruments. He hired a real drummer, but that drummer thought he was going to re-record the guitars, so he played to a click. My friend doesn't want to do that. So I thought to use SD3.
Logic's Drummer can follow a wonky guitar part, but I need to know if Superior Drummer can do that too.
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 10, 2023 12:25:16 GMT -6
No but you can go in SD and edit the parts by hand
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Post by Martin John Butler on Apr 10, 2023 12:36:31 GMT -6
Thanks John. I might have to mess with the midi I guess. I'm not so skilled with SD. I mainly find a good beat, a similar alternate beat, and then edit a little a little in Logic's piano roll.
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Post by notneeson on Apr 10, 2023 12:47:28 GMT -6
No but you can go in SD and edit the parts by hand Never done it myself, but I think you'd be able to tempo map the guitar part and then just have SD follow that. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Apr 10, 2023 13:32:43 GMT -6
That's what wish I could do, but I don't think that is available in SD3. There was not a single video on line about this when I searched.
Logic has a follow feature that's very cool, I just can't stand the way their Drummer sounds and works.
I went into Logic's midi and adjusted a lot of snare hits by ear. It's working. I just sent the track to the artist, if he's OK so far, I'll go further and micro tweak the midi..
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Post by niklas1073 on Apr 10, 2023 13:53:15 GMT -6
I have been taught to work these sort of time issues by hand, keeping it sounding natural and not quantized. I sometimes have to go thru every track and cut and make it sit until it’s right if the performance have been under par. Personally I don’t know any other way around really. It’s the most time consuming part of the post production for me. I’m still not good at it in any way, but I have began to get some sort of routine. If I am involved in tracking I try to really make it sit there to diminish the editing part to minimum. Because it’s not always either about getting everything on click, but being able to place it right within the click to make it fat and groovy, that’s the hardest part for me personally.
In the scenario you have, it might give a way better result in retracking guitars if possible, less time spent too probably. I often try to go that way instead of trying to save something that wasnt good to begin with.
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Post by the other mark williams on Apr 10, 2023 14:08:37 GMT -6
No but you can go in SD and edit the parts by hand Never done it myself, but I think you'd be able to tempo map the guitar part and then just have SD follow that. That's what wish I could do, but I don't think that is available in SD3. There was not a single video on line about this when I searched. Logic has a follow feature that's very cool, I just can't stand the way their Drummer sounds and works. I went into Logic's midi and adjusted a lot of snare hits by ear. It's working. I just sent the track to the artist, if he's OK so far, I'll go further and micro tweak the midi.. Martin, what notneeson is referring to here is that you can get Logic to follow the tempo of the guitar track - that means the "grid" in Logic will actually be following what your human friend played (rather than him following a click). Then when you bring in patterns from SD3, the patterns will conform to this human "grid" in Logic, which again, was determined by how your friend played. Does that make sense? There are several tutorials on how to do this on YouTube. Also, I believe wiz used to do this quite a bit when he was tracking in Logic, so he may be able to give good tips for your particular style - not sure what he's doing now that he's in Luna. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 10, 2023 14:14:17 GMT -6
^^This^^, you can set logic drummer to follow the guitar track, if you create arrangement markers, logic drummer will give yoy parts by arrangement, you can modify those and drag into a midi track for editing, so then you could play SD library or logic producer plus kits.
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Post by the other mark williams on Apr 10, 2023 14:24:40 GMT -6
Martin John Butler, here's a YT video from a few years ago that shows very well how this can be done. It's the exact kind of situation you mentioned: A guy recorded an acoustic guitar part without a click, and wants everything else in the song to follow that guitar performance. There are probably other ways to do this now that might be even easier, but still, this is pretty simple. He adds a Logic Drummer track at 9mins in, but you would just add an instrument track with SD3 instead at that point.
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 10, 2023 14:36:41 GMT -6
SD won’t follow logic drummer until you drag it into a midi track.
The logic drummer pattern is not midi.
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Post by notneeson on Apr 10, 2023 14:51:54 GMT -6
Thanks squad, I’m not a Logic user so I don’t know the particulars, only that it should be doable.
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 10, 2023 14:55:32 GMT -6
He could also use ez drummer 3, but I don’t think he has it.
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Post by the other mark williams on Apr 10, 2023 15:39:29 GMT -6
SD won’t follow logic drummer until you drag it into a midi track. The logic drummer pattern is not midi. What I'm suggesting is to not even use Logic Drummer - he just needs the grid to be tempo mapped to the acoustic guitar performance, and then in SD3 just drag the MIDI patterns he likes into Logic's Arrange page. The MIDI regions will automatically follow the beat mapped grid. |
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Post by wiz on Apr 10, 2023 16:15:47 GMT -6
this is really easy to do in logic.
Using smart tempo.
You analyse the guitar track using smart tempo. You may have to adjust some of the transients detected , but it’s generally excellent.
Then there is a function that allows you to create a tempo map from that analysis.
Then simply SD3 simply follows that midi map.
If you can’t work it out I can do it for you
Cheers
Wiz
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Post by Martin John Butler on Apr 10, 2023 17:29:46 GMT -6
Thanks guys, I've got to try a few of these things now.
Matt, I had no intention of using Logic's Drummer, I can't stand it. I only mentioned it because I know Logic can follow an instrument's timing.
Dang Wiz, that's so cool. I'll check into it tomorrow and see if I need help.
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Post by ragan on Apr 10, 2023 18:08:58 GMT -6
Yeah all you need is to get the overall session tempo mapped to the guitar track in question. Then SD3 will follow that session tempo map.
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Post by notneeson on Apr 10, 2023 19:08:47 GMT -6
Yeah all you need is to get the overall session tempo mapped to the guitar track in question. Then SD3 will follow that session tempo map. This! |
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Post by drumsound on Apr 11, 2023 7:36:30 GMT -6
There was nothing online saying this could be done, so here I am. My friend recorded an acoustic track that's a little off time here and there. Then he added more instruments. He hired a real drummer, but that drummer thought he was going to re-record the guitars, so he played to a click. My friend doesn't want to do that. So I thought to use SD3. Logic's Drummer can follow a wonky guitar part, but I need to know if Superior Drummer can do that too. Can you edit the live drums to the existing guitars? |
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Post by notneeson on Apr 11, 2023 8:08:52 GMT -6
There was nothing online saying this could be done, so here I am. My friend recorded an acoustic track that's a little off time here and there. Then he added more instruments. He hired a real drummer, but that drummer thought he was going to re-record the guitars, so he played to a click. My friend doesn't want to do that. So I thought to use SD3. Logic's Drummer can follow a wonky guitar part, but I need to know if Superior Drummer can do that too. Can you edit the live drums to the existing guitars? Can you hire Tony to edit the drums? Cuz that sounds like a special kind of hell to me. 😂 |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Apr 11, 2023 9:34:57 GMT -6
Ha! That's what I did, I went into Logic's Piano roll (stupid name for a midi editing function), and corrected a dozen or more snare hits and fills, moved one or two kick drum beats and it's almost therecorecbt
I'll review and correct a few more beats today with fresh ears. Going forward, I'll do what the guys recommended, have Logic follow an acoustic guitar track.
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