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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 22, 2014 19:20:17 GMT -6
Hey guys -
Sal was nice enough to help me plot out my patchbay, but now I need to buy a bunch of XLR to TRS cables. Any suggestions for brand, customization and cost effectiveness?
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 22, 2014 20:13:44 GMT -6
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jun 22, 2014 20:33:21 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2014 20:34:02 GMT -6
I did redco house brand. I talked to them at length in order to make an educated decision. I'm not a cable snob but didnt want to spend $200+ and buy crap. It is supposed to be of the same quality.
Building my own lets me make them custom lengths for patch bay or mic use. I bought a bunch of ends. The TRS are soldered (pain). But, there is an Amphenol XLR end that is solder less and works like a champ. You can make an XLR-XLR in 5mins.
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Post by WKG on Jun 22, 2014 22:12:37 GMT -6
Last time I needed cables I bought some 2549 and a bunch of XLR ends. Nice to just make them to length as needed.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Jun 22, 2014 22:17:57 GMT -6
Redco is very good by all accounts.
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Post by jeromemason on Jun 22, 2014 23:44:19 GMT -6
I'm a massive mogami fan..... redco has some really great deals in bulk. Their house brand is good too. Their connectors are priced pretty good too. Warren might hook you up though, I bought a lot of gear from him and he's always been a great guy to deal with.
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Post by gouge on Jun 23, 2014 0:55:15 GMT -6
buy some canare cable and make them yourself. a lot cheaper and a lot better.
for patch cables you can get away with using twin with either braided shield or foil shield. foil shield is a whole heap faster to solder.
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Post by indiehouse on Jun 23, 2014 8:52:28 GMT -6
Yeah, go Redco. I bought both Mogami 2549 and the Redco brand, and they were pretty similar. The Mogami might have been slighty thicker, but not sure it justifies the price difference. It's quality stuff, and I seriously doubt you'd hear a difference.
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Post by tonycamphd on Jun 23, 2014 9:25:47 GMT -6
I'm rewiring patchbays....again, i've been recycling the same mogami for about 20 years lol, it's great stuff, it's getting shorter at the same rate as the moon is moving away from the earth though.... 8)
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Jun 23, 2014 9:40:36 GMT -6
Buying from Redco is cheaper than making it yourself. Lots of the most prestigious studios and broadcasters use them. They'll use any cable or connecters you want but a lot of people have told me their house brand is every bit as good as Belden, Canare or Mogomi.
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Post by svart on Jun 23, 2014 9:53:07 GMT -6
I mostly used their bulk cable for the patch bays. It's decent quality and I had no issues with it. I got this because it's nice and flexible and I could buy it in rolls for super cheap. I've used their mic cables for a long time and only had a single issue with one breaking at a solder joint. For the main installation snakes, I used a combination of mogami, canare and belden digital snake cables, 8-24 channels. I used 1x24 canare from the sound proof room to the input patch bay, then used 3x8 mogami from the input patch bay to the console inputs. i used 2 runs of 1x24 belden digital for all the inserts and send/returns. |
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Post by sinasoid on Jun 23, 2014 11:34:53 GMT -6
Right now, we don't offer XLR cables as part of our custom shop, but we've had really good results with Canare L-4E6S on the few mic cables we've made. If you need a little help on price, let me know!
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Post by mdmitch2 on Jun 23, 2014 21:20:08 GMT -6
I recommend Canare with Amphenol connectors for a good price/quality balance, and as others have mentioned, Zen Pro and Redco both have top notch quality and service.
I also do custom cabling for silly prices... PM me if interested.
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Post by tonycamphd on Jun 23, 2014 21:49:08 GMT -6
if anyone lives in the greater San Diego area, wants to learn by wiring my patchbays for me, i'll let you do it...? Ok, i'll buy you lunches and record a couple of your songs for free....? Ok, i'll pay you a nominal fee for the patchbay wiring @144+144=288x3 conductors=864+ the D-sub female ends=1728+the 1/4 trs/xlrs/inserts/sidechains coming off my console/outboard gear=??(to large a number)x3 conductor x 2 for the D-sub male ends....
Ok free room and board for a year, and a years pay, but thats my final offer! SMH, i'm never gonna finish this am i?
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Post by bluesprocket on Jun 24, 2014 5:16:04 GMT -6
...Ok free room and board for a year, and a years pay, but thats my final offer! SMH, i'm never gonna finish this am i? No, no you're not. I've been in the middle of wiring patchbays for a new console for a while now and i feel like it never ends. Every time I look up there is one more connection to be made. Oigh! On the topic of cabling the guys at Redco are awesome and always helpful, give them a call. If you'd be willing to DIY, then I have to say Gotham Audio cable with a double shield is the stuff! Not as flexible as Mogami but the RF rejection and capacitance figures are great, oh and they sound good too... |
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Post by Ward on Jun 24, 2014 9:51:46 GMT -6
I won't use a cable in my studio that I didn't solder together myself. Mostly all made from Canare starquad, some mogami, some belden, I prefer switchcraft to neutrik connectors. The cables I made in 1991 still work perfectly today and I test everything regularly. When I need more XLR to TRS stuff (on occasion) or microphone cables, or tie lines, etc, I just buy a few hundred feet and the proper connectors if I need more and get it all out on the soldering bench and get to work.
And the point is, everything works. I never have a failure.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Jun 24, 2014 10:14:30 GMT -6
Everybody I know who tried Neutrik went right back to Switchcraft after learning the hard way that they aren't nearly as rugged. I also agree about Gotham cable being by far the best. I learned that the hard way after buying a bunch of Canare and finding the Gotham I had rented had way less RFI problems. Redco will make these up for less than the cost of the parts.
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Post by svart on Jun 24, 2014 11:21:22 GMT -6
Everybody I know who tried Neutrik went right back to Switchcraft after learning the hard way that they aren't nearly as rugged. I also agree about Gotham cable being by far the best. I learned that the hard way after buying a bunch of Canare and finding the Gotham I had rented had way less RFI problems. Redco will make these up for less than the cost of the parts. Interesting. I kept having issues with old switchcraft connectors (the kind where you have to crimp the strain relief around the cable) but I've yet to have any issues with neutrik connectors, which I've started to use almost universally in the studio. Horses for courses I suppose. The only RFI problems I've had are on some cheap guitar cables. I switched to: www.van-damme.com/19.html and the problem went away. |
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Post by tonycamphd on Jun 24, 2014 14:41:52 GMT -6
Everybody I know who tried Neutrik went right back to Switchcraft after learning the hard way that they aren't nearly as rugged. I also agree about Gotham cable being by far the best. I learned that the hard way after buying a bunch of Canare and finding the Gotham I had rented had way less RFI problems. Redco will make these up for less than the cost of the parts. Hi Bob, I probably missed something, but redco will make up ? for less than the cost of the parts. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 24, 2014 15:09:40 GMT -6
Ended up getting $550 worth of Mogami cables for about half off...couldn't pass it up.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2014 15:43:10 GMT -6
Happy wiring! Yeah right. (No such thing )
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Post by Ward on Jun 24, 2014 19:41:03 GMT -6
Everybody I know who tried Neutrik went right back to Switchcraft after learning the hard way that they aren't nearly as rugged. I also agree about Gotham cable being by far the best. I learned that the hard way after buying a bunch of Canare and finding the Gotham I had rented had way less RFI problems. Redco will make these up for less than the cost of the parts. Interesting. I kept having issues with old switchcraft connectors (the kind where you have to crimp the strain relief around the cable) but I've yet to have any issues with neutrik connectors, which I've started to use almost universally in the studio. Horses for courses I suppose. The only RFI problems I've had are on some cheap guitar cables. I switched to: www.van-damme.com/19.html and the problem went away. RFI becomes a problem, often times, when your electrical is running parallel to your audio. This might happen in side-by-side conduits under your floor, or if you're running cables on top of the floor and the electrical conduits are in the floor with current moving in the same direction.... BUT... It can also happen if the electrical wiring or conduits carrying the wiring are in the walls of the studio running parallel to the audio cables also. Chew on that. I know we have a couple of electrical engineers on here who might be able to speak more to this than I can, like svart I think.... |
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Post by Ward on Jun 24, 2014 19:42:42 GMT -6
Happy wiring! Yeah right. (No such thing ) I love wiring! (For the first 5 minutes, or until I burn a finger or until the fumes start to get me... whichever comes first.) |
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Post by Ward on Jun 24, 2014 19:43:07 GMT -6
Ended up getting $550 worth of Mogami cables for about half off...couldn't pass it up. Congrats on a great buy! |
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