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Post by Tbone81 on Feb 24, 2023 14:38:16 GMT -6
What you guys using for mastering? I just upgraded from Ozone 8 to Ozone 10 and discovered, to my great disappointment that Ozone is no longer a standalone program. Huge fail by Izotope. Either way, I’m looking for something that allows me to have all my tracks in one session, where I can control cross fades etc, like in Wavelab. Unfortunately Wavelab pro is pretty pricey, might get Wavelab Elements but it looks like it’s artificially stripped down to force you into the pricier “Pro” version.
What do you guys think of Soundforge, Audacity, Wavelab etc etc? I have no experience with the aforementioned programs so I don’t know if they do what I want. Are there others? Does IK have a mastering app?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2023 15:13:15 GMT -6
Reaper.
Lay out your DDP images by hand.
The boomer mastering or "classical" music daws are all dead or dying. Wavelab is like... yeah who wants to use the stock tools there? Who would? That's 500 bucks pissed away. They suck. Pro Tools and Logic don't have the best behavior upon export of fixed bit files and cannot render ddp files. Reaper can. Once you're using Reaper for that, you might as well just use it for your fades and putting plugins on the tracks in another session.
Standalone Ozone is gone? WTF? Is standalone RX going too? The processes suck as plugs. Insane latency and the guis are even slower than the slow RX program.
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Post by mcirish on Feb 24, 2023 15:14:27 GMT -6
Wavelab is probably the most powerful but for working quicker, I like Acon Digital Acoustica. Their spectral editor is faster to work with (for me). The only things it lacks are:
1) A post-export VST slot for Sonarworks plugin (I get around this by using Sonarworks systemwide instead of the plugin)
2) DDP creation
Acon Digital Acoustica is well worth looking at and it's not expensive. Highly recommended. I have both Wavelab and Acoustica. I also master a lot in Nuendo, as I use it the most, but the other two are great.
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Post by Blackdawg on Feb 24, 2023 16:50:13 GMT -6
I really like wavelab. It's very powerful and even customizable just enough.
Acon looks cool, I want to get it mainly due to their denoising tools are supposed to be great.
HOFA also is worth a look for an affordable DDP maker.
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Post by trakworxmastering on Feb 25, 2023 10:14:42 GMT -6
Pro Tools and Logic don't have the best behavior upon export of fixed bit files Can you elaborate on that regarding Pro Tools? Thx! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2023 13:20:55 GMT -6
Pro Tools and Logic don't have the best behavior upon export of fixed bit files Can you elaborate on that regarding Pro Tools? Thx! Logic dithers after truncation. Pro Tools was applying a noise shaped dither automatically for a bit but reverted to no dither. I just checked Just insert a a tdpf dither as your last insert and you’ll be fine with either. |
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Post by bgrotto on Feb 25, 2023 13:28:09 GMT -6
Can you elaborate on that regarding Pro Tools? Thx! Logic dithers after truncation. Pro Tools was applying a noise shaped dither automatically for a bit but reverted to no dither. I just checked Just insert a a tdpf dither as your last insert and you’ll be fine with either. pretty sure pt still dithers on export....just looked into this the other day. You'll still need to add a dither plugin for bouncing to lower bit depths, though. Tbone81 - studio one has a pretty good mastering toolkit. you can open it in 'mastering' mode and get a more mastering-centric workflow. can't remember if it does DDPs or not, but I like the Hofa one for that (it can also output vinyl sides, conveniently) ETA: from the manual: "Dither on Export and Import When you export au- dio to a lower bit depth, or when you import an au- dio file into a session that is at a lower bit depth than the file, a preset, noise-shaped dither is applied." Also, there's a table on page 436 of the 2022 reference guide that specifies when and how PT applies dither to exported audio. |
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Post by trakworxmastering on Feb 25, 2023 13:38:30 GMT -6
Logic dithers after truncation. Pro Tools was applying a noise shaped dither automatically for a bit but reverted to no dither. I just checked Just insert a a tdpf dither as your last insert and you’ll be fine with either. pretty sure pt still dithers on output....just looked into this the other day Tbone81 - studio one has a pretty good mastering toolkit. you can open it in 'mastering' mode and get a more mastering-centric workflow. can't remember if it does DDPs or not, but I like the Hofa one for that (it can also output vinyl sides, conveniently) PT automatically dithers when exporting files but not when bouncing to disk. Works well for me. |
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Post by bgrotto on Feb 25, 2023 13:44:18 GMT -6
pretty sure pt still dithers on output....just looked into this the other day Tbone81 - studio one has a pretty good mastering toolkit. you can open it in 'mastering' mode and get a more mastering-centric workflow. can't remember if it does DDPs or not, but I like the Hofa one for that (it can also output vinyl sides, conveniently) PT automatically dithers when exporting files but not when bouncing to disk. Works well for me. Yes, exactly. That's what I meant in my initial post, but worded it sloppily. Have edited! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2023 14:44:11 GMT -6
Logic dithers after truncation. Pro Tools was applying a noise shaped dither automatically for a bit but reverted to no dither. I just checked Just insert a a tdpf dither as your last insert and you’ll be fine with either. pretty sure pt still dithers on export....just looked into this the other day. You'll still need to add a dither plugin for bouncing to lower bit depths, though. Tbone81 - studio one has a pretty good mastering toolkit. you can open it in 'mastering' mode and get a more mastering-centric workflow. can't remember if it does DDPs or not, but I like the Hofa one for that (it can also output vinyl sides, conveniently) ETA: from the manual: "Dither on Export and Import When you export au- dio to a lower bit depth, or when you import an au- dio file into a session that is at a lower bit depth than the file, a preset, noise-shaped dither is applied." Also, there's a table on page 436 of the 2022 reference guide that specifies when and how PT applies dither to exported audio. 😬 I missed that when checking the latest manual. Yes it does do this when “exporting” but has no dither when “bouncing” even though both are rendering audio if you look in the index under dither. The noise shaping is not a good behavior for 24-bit or 16-bit audio. |
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Post by Tbone81 on Feb 25, 2023 15:51:24 GMT -6
Logic dithers after truncation. Pro Tools was applying a noise shaped dither automatically for a bit but reverted to no dither. I just checked Just insert a a tdpf dither as your last insert and you’ll be fine with either. pretty sure pt still dithers on export....just looked into this the other day. You'll still need to add a dither plugin for bouncing to lower bit depths, though. Tbone81 - studio one has a pretty good mastering toolkit. you can open it in 'mastering' mode and get a more mastering-centric workflow. can't remember if it does DDPs or not, but I like the Hofa one for that (it can also output vinyl sides, conveniently) ETA: from the manual: "Dither on Export and Import When you export au- dio to a lower bit depth, or when you import an au- dio file into a session that is at a lower bit depth than the file, a preset, noise-shaped dither is applied." Also, there's a table on page 436 of the 2022 reference guide that specifies when and how PT applies dither to exported audio. Totally forgot about Studio One, thanks for that! Might just be the ticket. I almost switched from Cubase to S1 about 3 years ago, I really liked S1 when I tried it. There were just a few annoying things that bugged me. But it seems like it has most of the functions that I'd want from Wavelab at a fraction of the cost, and it can do batch processing which is really helpful for me. |
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Post by srb on Feb 25, 2023 16:27:24 GMT -6
The Ozone 10 change to plugin-only surprised me. I spent an hour looking for the stand-alone so I could put a shortcut on my desktop. Finally discovered on these internets that my search was in vain. I wrote them to complain. To no avail there, either, so far.
I've used Wavelab since v2. I've long considered it a well-considered, well-implemented program.
That said, I do some mastering in Cubase/Nuendo from time to time...especially for an A-D capture.
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