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Post by santospirito on Feb 23, 2023 17:05:56 GMT -6
currently looking for a Neumann bv12 transformer that I’m going to put into a u67 build. Let me know if anybody has one !
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Post by anders on Feb 24, 2023 13:45:51 GMT -6
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Post by ragan on Feb 24, 2023 14:00:17 GMT -6
I used the Moby. Heard some clips (don’t think I still have them) comparing it to the Neumann BV12 and it was extremely close.
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Post by recordingengineer on Feb 24, 2023 15:10:29 GMT -6
Use Moby if using traditional tube. Use AMI if experimenting with tube alternatives. Use Beesneez, Samar Audio, others if doing you’re doing your own thing.
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Post by nudwig on Feb 24, 2023 17:15:59 GMT -6
I have my IOAudio 67 transformer sitting unused after I had it swapped it for the Neumann.
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Post by EmRR on Feb 24, 2023 20:26:28 GMT -6
Cinemag makes 2 versions also, love to hear any comment on those.
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Post by Vincent R. on Feb 24, 2023 20:39:49 GMT -6
I also have the IO Audio BV12 here after swapping it for a Neumann.
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Post by Ward on Feb 27, 2023 10:44:42 GMT -6
I also have the IO Audio BV12 here after swapping it for a Neumann. Do you think the IO is better than the Neumann BV12 ? |
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Post by Vincent R. on Feb 27, 2023 11:10:52 GMT -6
I also have the IO Audio BV12 here after swapping it for a Neumann. Do you think the IO is better than the Neumann BV12 ? I prefer the Neumann in my MK67 kit. The IO has a slightly harder sounds, a low mid range push, but a drastic top end roll off which looses some detail. The Neumann has more detail in the top end, but is a touch lighter in the low end. None the less I prefer the Neumann for its clarity and detail. |
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Post by EmRR on Feb 27, 2023 11:38:59 GMT -6
I also have the IO Audio BV12 here after swapping it for a Neumann. Do you think the IO is better than the Neumann BV12 ? No one thinks that! It matches none of the technical details either. |
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Post by brenta on Feb 27, 2023 12:23:18 GMT -6
It is pretty crazy how bad Max whiffed on the transformer for what is otherwise an outstanding kit.
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Post by Ward on Feb 27, 2023 16:49:09 GMT -6
Do you think the IO is better than the Neumann BV12 ? I prefer the Neumann in my MK67 kit. The IO has a slightly harder sounds, a low mid range push, but a drastic top end roll off which looses some detail. The Neumann has more detail in the top end, but is a touch lighter in the low end. None the less I prefer the Neumann for its clarity and detail. Understood!! I had to ask, thank you for indulging the obvious question. Your answer is EXACTLY WHAT I EXPECTED. You have discerning ears, like the best of us, brother! |
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Post by gevermil on Feb 27, 2023 18:10:59 GMT -6
It is pretty crazy how bad Max whiffed on the transformer for what is otherwise an outstanding kit. Yeah , I was confused by that as well . Maybe he was trying to compensate for the " strident " qualities of the newer neumann capsule that was pointed out by Klaus and others ? I have the Moby and the IO transformer in 2 DIY builds with neumann capsules and Had tried the AMI but it was very bright . As much as the IO transformer is dark , man can I get some beefy guitar tones with it . Prior to the MK67 kit he did a run of some cool u47 copies
the MK47 and the MK7 which uses a ef86 tube and a k47 cap , I have a pair of both .
The guy doesn't communicate for shit tho .
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Post by Vincent R. on Feb 28, 2023 8:57:28 GMT -6
I prefer the Neumann in my MK67 kit. The IO has a slightly harder sounds, a low mid range push, but a drastic top end roll off which looses some detail. The Neumann has more detail in the top end, but is a touch lighter in the low end. None the less I prefer the Neumann for its clarity and detail. Understood!! I had to ask, thank you for indulging the obvious question. Your answer is EXACTLY WHAT I EXPECTED. You have discerning ears, like the best of us, brother! I appreciate the vote of confidence. I know a few of people are trying to figure out why the MK67 with the BV12 is a little light in the low end. Hoping someone figures it out. I heard a shoot out between an MK67 with the Neumann BV12 next to the reissue. MK67 had a more mellow top end, but the low end of the reissue was deeper. |
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Post by Ward on Feb 28, 2023 9:15:43 GMT -6
The entire U67 topology and sound (originals reissues and clones included) isn't really in love with deep baritones and basses anyhow. LOL
The lack of sonorous amounts of bottom end or carved out scooped bottom for a basso profundo is not really an issue for me. What are your thoughts?
for most of what I record (including my own vocal work) An airy top end and clean middle with lack of mud suits me fine.
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Post by Vincent R. on Feb 28, 2023 9:40:07 GMT -6
The entire U67 topology and sound (originals reissues and clones included) isn't really in love with deep baritones and basses anyhow. LOL The lack of sonorous amounts of bottom end or carved out scooped bottom for a basso profundo is not really an issue for me. What are your thoughts? for most of what I record (including my own vocal work) An airy top end and clean middle with lack of mud suits me fine. I actually like the MK67 on my wife's voice. The mid bump on my FleA 49 can make her voice a bit too forward sounding. The more neutral top end seems to tame that a bit. A little more low end on her vocal might actually be good for her, but I can probably use a different preamp to help with that too. On me the MK67 has a very natural sound. It needs a little bump up top. The FleA 49 has an enhanced sound, which is why I tend to lean on that for my more legit vocals, but often needs a cut in the low mids. The MK67 get requested a lot by clients when I'm singing in more of a pop style. I also have a TM-1 with the K47 and EF14. If I'm straight up crooning, that mic just sounds like an old record. For opera its a little too much and lessens the impact of my upper range. So far the 67 is my "I know it will work on anyone" mic. I've used it on a male R&B singer, female legit singers, and female crooners, and myself singing rock and pop stuff. I'll let you know how I feel about more male vocalists soon. I have a couple of my best friends coming by to record a section of "We Three Kings" with me on my Christmas Album. A buddy of mine who is a true bari/tenor will be coming by in a couple of weeks. In the past he's worked really well on my BLUE Bottle Rocket II with the B11 capsule (their 67 take, also a drastic roll off) and my Peluso 2247SE. So I'll have the MK67, FleA 49 and TM-1 out and ready and see what works better for the featured part. Old School Broadway recordings ala Camelot were all M49s. New school legit Broadway recordings are all U67s. We'll see what works better. You can hear Michael on the BLUE on the songs "Voyages," "Another Time Another Place," and "Longing for You" at the link below. schaeburmusic.wixsite.com/voyages/mediaAfter that my other friend will be coming by. He's a true basso profundo. I wish I have a 251 for him to use like Thurl did. We'll try the same set up. I'll probably just use my U87ai for the choral vocal parts for both of them, but I may try my ADK 251T for the bass parts. Sometimes choices are the problem. lol. |
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Post by EmRR on Feb 28, 2023 14:27:10 GMT -6
I've heard a lot of different comparisons, a few as proper as same capsule head and same tube swapped to different preamp body. In all cases, none of the differences were anywhere near as great as swapping tube types. I have tubes that make the bottom and low mid very tubby with a muted cloudy top end, and others that are very bright and thin. OTOH, no io transformer that I've measured in circuit before removing has met the top end spec in the Neumann manual, all have been 3-4dB down from that spec at 15-16kHz, whatever that specific freq is spec'd at. Measured winding resistances are dissimilar to the Neumann, as is inductance, and lamination stack size. The Moby have been spot on with the Neumann on all those specs. This is significant because the unique feedback approach using a tertiary winding in the transformer directly affects the capsules performance in the way that feedback loads the capsule, as well the variations in tubes show up in that loading. I put a Neumann in my own, after shooting the Moby first. Had I done it in the other order, I probably would have kept the Moby in there, but I don't want to play PCB and transformer roulette with the delicate traces and easily melted wires involved. It was a hair more 'exciting' sounding, whatever that means. Maybe barely brighter with a touch more fuzzy sparkle, maybe slightly more bass. Tiny perceivable difference.
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