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Post by M57 on Mar 15, 2016 15:07:16 GMT -6
Most of the people who post here have worked with both PCs and Macs so I don't see it as an debate that's polarized by lack of education. I view it as a lesser of two evils issue. Both sides of the coin can be dark, and it's pretty difficult to live on the edge. I work at an independent school where most of the students have MacBooks - iPads - and Mac Airs, but teachers and administrators are equipped with PCs, and some of the teachers BYOD, and we all play together in the Google universe. The students love their Macs - Many of the administrators (and especially those in finance) would much rather keep their PCs - and the teachers are all over the map. We all exist peacefully with very few if any haters. Like I said, I have a PC at work and a Mac or two at home and I don't complain about either. It really is a workflow and sometimes program dependency issue for me. Google tries to play nice with everyone and we're all moving to the cloud. It's Google we need to worry about.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Mar 15, 2016 15:16:50 GMT -6
Most people I've known who've switched to MACs after they've used PC's for a while (and are completely objective/unbiased people, wihtout the fanboy antics) have switched back after finding them frustrating to use and no better in reliability than PC's. I actually know more people who've had serious crashes and lost lots of work due to the false belief that MACs are infallible and "don't crash".. So they aren't prepared when they do.. That has been my experience too. The ease of using a mac intuitively went right out the window with system X and ironically Windows 7 and 10 are logical and intuitive exactly like mac system 9. Anybody buying a PC to save money will be disappointed but a comparably priced PC is very solid. Also you can forget about the system tweaks people talk about. The only thing I do is disable the power saving features so a USB jack can't go to sleep on me.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2016 15:29:06 GMT -6
One of the things that is EXTREMELY important to the Mac on older systems is the sudden motion sensor which I was unaware of. support.apple.com/en-ca/HT201666Today I'm upgrading my memory to 16gbs and installing a Solid Sate Drive and I'm hoping that helps.
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Post by Ward on Mar 15, 2016 19:55:52 GMT -6
PCs are just fine as long as they aren't running windows.
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Post by M57 on Mar 16, 2016 4:26:06 GMT -6
Most people I've known who've switched to MACs after they've used PC's for a while (and are completely objective/unbiased people, wihtout the fanboy antics) have switched back after finding them frustrating to use and no better in reliability than PC's. I actually know more people who've had serious crashes and lost lots of work due to the false belief that MACs are infallible and "don't crash".. So they aren't prepared when they do.. That has been my experience too. The ease of using a mac intuitively went right out the window with system X and ironically Windows 7 and 10 are logical and intuitive exactly like mac system 9. Anybody buying a PC to save money will be disappointed but a comparably priced PC is very solid. Also you can forget about the system tweaks people talk about. The only thing I do is disable the power saving features so a USB jack can't go to sleep on me. That's good to hear because it certainly wasn't the case when I made the switch. I assume you run windows on your PC. BTW, what is you think went "out the window" (nice pun) with OSX? I made the switch from 9 to X quite seamlessly. I ask because I am on the technology committee at our school and we are considering a school-wide change. I'm not going to lie - our students are very likely to stay in the Mac universe because that's what they prefer, but everything else.. BTW, as far as the studio is concerned the whole PC/MAC argument is somewhat moot for me because I run Logic and I am sadly beholden to Apple for the pleasure.
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Post by svart on Mar 16, 2016 7:05:18 GMT -6
Most people I've known who've switched to MACs after they've used PC's for a while (and are completely objective/unbiased people, wihtout the fanboy antics) have switched back after finding them frustrating to use and no better in reliability than PC's. I actually know more people who've had serious crashes and lost lots of work due to the false belief that MACs are infallible and "don't crash".. So they aren't prepared when they do.. That has been my experience too. The ease of using a mac intuitively went right out the window with system X and ironically Windows 7 and 10 are logical and intuitive exactly like mac system 9. Anybody buying a PC to save money will be disappointed but a comparably priced PC is very solid. Also you can forget about the system tweaks people talk about. The only thing I do is disable the power saving features so a USB jack can't go to sleep on me. Yes, I turn off the native (BIOS) based power throttling and that improves everything, even solving some strange glitches. Over the last couple decades, the hardware went from good, to bad, to good again as the market went from proprietary designs to overseas made standardized pieces back to higher quality parts. For recording computers I always use top of the line power supplies. There is always a difference in longevity between the 20$ unbranded piece and the 150$ Fractal branded supply with warranty.. There is also a huge difference is power quality, which can make everything else in the box last longer too. Most people start with buying the "best" CPU, motherboard and RAM, then run out of money when it comes time for the power supplies and end up getting the cheapest piece.. And wonder why they have strange issues and failures..
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Post by tonycamphd on Mar 16, 2016 8:13:10 GMT -6
Or, just buy a Mac, plug it in, and go!
Yours truly, Ex PC builder/Egomaniacle delusional fanboy 8)
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Post by svart on Mar 16, 2016 8:49:07 GMT -6
Or, just buy a Mac, plug it in, and go! Yours truly, Ex PC builder/Egomaniacle delusional fanboy 8) Plug it in like the Mac that you felt the need to upgrade?
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Post by tonycamphd on Mar 16, 2016 19:15:26 GMT -6
Or, just buy a Mac, plug it in, and go! Yours truly, Ex PC builder/Egomaniacle delusional fanboy 8) Plug it in like the Mac that you felt the need to upgrade? yeah, like that one, took all of 5 minutes with the vastly superior design and construction of the rig, I simply chose to up the horsepower a bit because I was asking it to do a shit ton, now it doesn't flinch at 100's of instances of linear phase proQ's, maxed out, virtual instruments for days, and just because i beefed it up doesn't mean it wasn't ultra stable and reliable prior to the upgrade, it's 7 years old, and still eats your PC for lunch, back then and certainly now, and nothing you say changes the fact that you're completely wrong if you're fantasizing a PC is anywhere near as stable as a Mac, and god's speed if you dare to put your PC online, which is a joke of a problem to have in 2016, so hate on as the wrong, and over obvious hater that you clearly are. here's page after page after page of how macs are exceedingly more stable than pc's for you to pretend don't exist haha www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=mac%20vs%20pc%20reliability
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Post by svart on Mar 16, 2016 21:21:05 GMT -6
Plug it in like the Mac that you felt the need to upgrade? yeah, like that one, took all of 5 minutes with the vastly superior design and construction of the rig, I simply chose to up the horsepower a bit because I was asking it to do a shit ton, now it doesn't flinch at 100's of instances of linear phase proQ's, maxed out, virtual instruments for days, and just because i beefed it up doesn't mean it wasn't ultra stable and reliable prior to the upgrade, it's 7 years old, and still eats your PC for lunch, back then and certainly now, and nothing you say changes the fact that you're completely wrong if you're fantasizing a PC is anywhere near as stable as a Mac, and god's speed if you dare to put your PC online, which is a joke of a problem to have in 2016, so hate on as the wrong, and over obvious hater that you clearly are. here's page after page after page of how macs are exceedingly more stable than pc's for you to pretend don't exist haha www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=mac%20vs%20pc%20reliabilityYeah man, you sure told me. Consider me an Apple fanboy now. The link you posted full of all that fanboy confirmation bias wankery has convinced me to change my ways! Anecdotal evidence has never been so compelling as it has been today. You surely have the bigger dick. Please come bang my girl, as my offering of subservience to your superiority. /sarcasm You do know that just because someone disagrees with you, that they aren't personally attacking you, right? Feel free to spend as much as you need to feel good about the person you see in the mirror. The rest of us are already doing the same.
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Post by tonycamphd on Mar 16, 2016 22:26:56 GMT -6
yeah, like that one, took all of 5 minutes with the vastly superior design and construction of the rig, I simply chose to up the horsepower a bit because I was asking it to do a shit ton, now it doesn't flinch at 100's of instances of linear phase proQ's, maxed out, virtual instruments for days, and just because i beefed it up doesn't mean it wasn't ultra stable and reliable prior to the upgrade, it's 7 years old, and still eats your PC for lunch, back then and certainly now, and nothing you say changes the fact that you're completely wrong if you're fantasizing a PC is anywhere near as stable as a Mac, and god's speed if you dare to put your PC online, which is a joke of a problem to have in 2016, so hate on as the wrong, and over obvious hater that you clearly are. here's page after page after page of how macs are exceedingly more stable than pc's for you to pretend don't exist haha www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=mac%20vs%20pc%20reliabilityYeah man, you sure told me. Consider me an Apple fanboy now. The link you posted full of all that fanboy confirmation bias wankery has convinced me to change my ways! Anecdotal evidence has never been so compelling as it has been today. You surely have the bigger dick. Please come bang my girl, as my offering of subservience to your superiority. /sarcasm You do know that just because someone disagrees with you, that they aren't personally attacking you, right? Feel free to spend as much as you need to feel good about the person you see in the mirror. The rest of us are already doing the same. Haha, of course it was sarcasm, we all know you couldn't have a girlfriend!(joke) What's the real unfunny joke here... is all you do is PERSONALLY ATTACK everyone who disagrees with you, from your unsolicited and ignorant psychological analytics(i'll look in the mirror), to your everyone "has an ego problem", "is a fanboy", "is fooling themselves", "doesn't get it" "above ^", "being duped", "being fleeced", or "fleecing", a ton of your posts come at the belittling expense of the hapless fools you're condescendingly setting straight, it's rarely in the spirit of IMV/IMO, or being helpful, it seems in the spirit of "you fools, look at how clueless you are, and smart I am", seriously dude, clue in. to be clear, my earlier posts stated that i've built at least a dozen pc's, i switched to mac and IME they're a lot less trouble, and worth the money, your litany should have ended with.... "I dig my Pc's, i'm sticking with em" instead of laying out your vendeta/ insult campaign to foil Apple and their stupid users.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Mar 17, 2016 4:45:23 GMT -6
I'm a college IT guy. We're probably 60% Mac in my department. The hardware failure rate is about the same for both platforms. It's the software issues that big down the PC users. All of a sudden a machine won't boot anymore because the MBR is corrupted, or a virus grabs it by the balls, or Windows updates keep rolling back on boot. Just quirky things like that. Mac's have MUCH less of these strange, abnormalities. Even though we're mostly Mac, most of my time troubleshooting is on PC's.
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Post by M57 on Mar 17, 2016 5:10:02 GMT -6
I'm a college IT guy. We're probably 60% Mac in my department. The hardware failure rate is about the same for both platforms. It's the software issues that big down the PC users. All of a sudden a machine won't boot anymore because the MBR is corrupted, or a virus grabs it by the balls, or Windows updates keep rolling back on boot. Just quirky things like that. Mac's have MUCH less of these strange, abnormalities. Even though we're mostly Mac, most of my time troubleshooting is on PC's. Not fair Jesse - That's only because Mac users are smarter and know which e-mails NOT to open. (Calm down - It's a joke everyone). We should all consider ourselves lucky that there are choices.. If one was clearly better we'd all be screwed. Not to get into politics, but there's an analogy there. Unless you're a facsist or a communist, you should be thankful that the other side is there to keep the looneys on your side in check. And if you're agnostic about it all (e.g. you have a PC at work and a Mac at home), then you want both sides to be strong.
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Post by Ward on Mar 17, 2016 6:49:37 GMT -6
Johnkenn I don;t like where this thread has gone. I think a review of the forum rules is in order for everyone here.
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Mar 17, 2016 6:57:49 GMT -6
All of you are wrong.
Linux is the best OS for audio (*trolls thread*)
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Post by M57 on Mar 17, 2016 7:17:43 GMT -6
Johnkenn I don;t like where this thread has gone. I think a review of the forum rules is in order for everyone here. I think I know the rules - but let's review: I interpret them as meaning that you shouldn't be getting on your high horse and espousing your political views (religion should fall in a similar category as far as I'm concerned - but currently it's OK to announce that you're a Muslim, Christian or Atheist on this site, right? So let's get down to the nitty gritty - Is it against the rules to use the word 'politics,' ..or to acknowledge that politics exist? ..or perhaps you think it's the Mac PC debate that should be verboten (it is gear, but it's a this side of a political debate, right? - I simply used the idea of politics as an analogy). I thought one of the reasons for this site's existence in the first place was because freedom of opinion was being squashed elsewhere. Personally, I think OT conversations of just about any nature should be allowed as long as they follow a set of forum rules regarding general respect and being legal and all. They could simply be relegated to a Folder called "You Can't Post That Here."
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Post by tonycamphd on Mar 17, 2016 7:36:18 GMT -6
I'm a college IT guy. We're probably 60% Mac in my department. The hardware failure rate is about the same for both platforms. It's the software issues that big down the PC users. All of a sudden a machine won't boot anymore because the MBR is corrupted, or a virus grabs it by the balls, or Windows updates keep rolling back on boot. Just quirky things like that. Mac's have MUCH less of these strange, abnormalities. Even though we're mostly Mac, most of my time troubleshooting is on PC's. It's probably evolved by now, but in the range of time that i was building, especially earlier on, PC hardware was all over the place, even if you could get things to play together nicely, suddenly motherboards would just up and fry for no apparent reason, power supply failures, memory failures, i've had them all, anyone who has actually spent time in both worlds knows exactly what you stated above, and IME it applies to the hardware side as well, probably due to small power management mismatches by the multitude of different parts designers/manufacturers who all had slightly different ends in mind?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Mar 17, 2016 7:45:47 GMT -6
I'm a college IT guy. We're probably 60% Mac in my department. The hardware failure rate is about the same for both platforms. It's the software issues that big down the PC users. All of a sudden a machine won't boot anymore because the MBR is corrupted, or a virus grabs it by the balls, or Windows updates keep rolling back on boot. Just quirky things like that. Mac's have MUCH less of these strange, abnormalities. Even though we're mostly Mac, most of my time troubleshooting is on PC's. It's probably evolved by now, but in the range of time that i was building, especially earlier on, PC hardware was all over the place, even if you could get things to play together nicely, suddenly motherboards would just up and fry for no apparent reason, power supply failures, memory failures, i've had them all, anyone who has actually spent time in both worlds knows exactly what you stated above, and IME it applies to the hardware side as well, probably due to small power management mismatches by the multitude of different parts designers/manufacturers who all had slightly different ends in mind? On the PC side, we're probably 90% Dell configured/assembled machines. Mostly I see hard drive failures and power supplies go on the the Dells. The Mac's are hard drives and logic boards. With the Mac logic boards, if they go, it's almost always within the first year and covered under warranty. Just a lemon of a machine type thing. With the PC's the power supplies usually die in year 4+. The Dell hardware has been pretty reliable though.
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Post by svart on Mar 17, 2016 7:53:06 GMT -6
Yeah man, you sure told me. Consider me an Apple fanboy now. The link you posted full of all that fanboy confirmation bias wankery has convinced me to change my ways! Anecdotal evidence has never been so compelling as it has been today. You surely have the bigger dick. Please come bang my girl, as my offering of subservience to your superiority. /sarcasm You do know that just because someone disagrees with you, that they aren't personally attacking you, right? Feel free to spend as much as you need to feel good about the person you see in the mirror. The rest of us are already doing the same. Haha, of course it was sarcasm, we all know you couldn't have a girlfriend!(joke) What's the real unfunny joke here... is all you do is PERSONALLY ATTACK everyone who disagrees with you, from your unsolicited and ignorant psychological analytics(i'll look in the mirror), to your everyone "has an ego problem", "is a fanboy", "is fooling themselves", "doesn't get it" "above ^", "being duped", "being fleeced", or "fleecing", a ton of your posts come at the belittling expense of the hapless fools you're condescendingly setting straight, it's rarely in the spirit of IMV/IMO, or being helpful, it seems in the spirit of "you fools, look at how clueless you are, and smart I am", seriously dude, clue in. to be clear, my earlier posts stated that i've built at least a dozen pc's, i switched to mac and IME they're a lot less trouble, and worth the money, your litany should have ended with.... "I dig my Pc's, i'm sticking with em" instead of laying out your vendeta/ insult campaign to foil Apple and their stupid users. Eat a snickers man, you get grumpy when you're hungry. But stinging criticism from a guy who's been banned or quit 2 or 3 times, has had about a half dozen pissing matches with as many different forum members on this forum alone (the 3-4 page drywall argument was classic BTW..) doesn't really bother me much. Forums like these are all about opinion.. The reality is that you just can't handle your opinions called into question. The antics at the purple site have shown it over the years, and your activity here is really no different.
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Post by tonycamphd on Mar 17, 2016 8:31:30 GMT -6
Ok, I hope ur feeling better now, let's move on...
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