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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 23, 2014 18:22:12 GMT -6
Y'know Bob, now that I think on it, you're right. I guess my home based midi experience started late then, I think 85 or 86. When was the Atari produced? Hell, was it possible to do midi on the Atari back then? I might have used that, and somehow the studio got it into a mac. Still, I know I was the first person to bring midi info that worked to Unique Studios and they were state of the art at the time.
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Post by tonycamphd on Jun 23, 2014 18:48:20 GMT -6
This debate always seems to turn contentious? i used to build my own windows based pc's, they worked well ONLY in stripped down versions with carefully matched chip sets, and hardware extensions, then i got a G5, it honestly killed my pc, now i have a 12core mac pro that has a build quality that is so superior to any pc that ive ever seen, it's not even funny, i'd even go as far as saying it's a mechanical work of art! if you get a chance, pull one apart, it's as easy as pie, and amazing...
I'm aware that apple tries to lock people in, so does avid, but until someone comes up with some better alternatives(no one has imo), here i am... things that mac trumps pc's on ime simplicity of the OS Noise I can use/download from the net without any worry of mayhem. stability software availability(heavily favors mac with pro audio IME) I upgraded/upgrading my 2009 8 core to 12 core giving it absolutely absurd specs that will smoke virtually everything out there, including the new macs, and i'm doing it for about $2,500.00 total(price includes the original computer)
mac wins hands down IMO
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Jun 23, 2014 20:22:41 GMT -6
I knew a bunch of people who dumped Mac for Atari because of noticably less MIDI jitter. Then Atari tanked and they came back to Macs with many moving from Performer to Vision.
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Post by Ward on Jun 23, 2014 21:23:28 GMT -6
...and then he learned his lesson, saw the light, started NextBox and the rest is history!
(oops should've quoted Grand Poo Bah's story about Jobs being fired!)
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Post by Ward on Jun 23, 2014 21:26:09 GMT -6
I knew a bunch of people who dumped Mac for Atari because of noticably less MIDI jitter. Then Atari tanked and they came back to Macs with many moving from Performer to Vision. (slowly raises hand in the back as the preacher asks for sinners to confess)
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Jun 23, 2014 22:16:39 GMT -6
My wife edited all of the training materials for NeXt. It's quite a story.
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Post by donr on Jun 23, 2014 23:31:59 GMT -6
I knew a bunch of people who dumped Mac for Atari because of noticably less MIDI jitter. Then Atari tanked and they came back to Macs with many moving from Performer to Vision. (slowly raises hand in the back as the preacher asks for sinners to confess) Atari had the tightest midi in the day. On Mac, I had to move from Studio Vision (to Digital Performer) after Gibson bought and killed Opcode.
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Post by Ward on Jun 24, 2014 9:06:37 GMT -6
(slowly raises hand in the back as the preacher asks for sinners to confess) Atari had the tightest midi in the day. On Mac, I had to move from Studio Vision (to Digital Performer) after Gibson bought and killed Opcode. Another genius move by Henry? Three of my buddies worked with Gibson for a number of years... oh, the stories I have heard!
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Jun 24, 2014 10:19:33 GMT -6
What really killed Opcode was software looting. Gibson tried to save it and failed. They just bought Cakewalk from Roland.
Looting has very expensive consequences for users...
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Post by LesC on Jun 24, 2014 13:36:19 GMT -6
For me, the turning point in my dislike of Apple was learning Apple's business practices of leasing mac systems into Pro Audio "schools" in a blatant attempt to propagate more of that dogma into the next generation. Schools and institutions are required to sign "non compete" agreements where they cannot teach anything other than Apple-approved software and compatible hardware or risk having their Mac leases forfeit and repossessed if a teacher/professor is found teaching anything not approved. It's much like Apple fronting cash for Asian manufacturing centers in return for primary customer status where they pretty much hog all resources in the industry for a period of time to ensure that no one else can compete. Thankfully Android and it's adopters have been a large enough success to counter this somewhat. Just want to confirm this, I am a professor at the largest college in Canada (100,000+ enrollment), and a part-time professor at another large college. I teach computer programming, mostly Unix/Linux, bash and korn shell scripting, C, html, css, and JavaScript. I have been asked to teach in the music production program, but what Svart points out is exactly true. Apple only, Protools only, though none of the professors in the music production program use Protools or Apple in their studios.
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Post by svart on Jun 24, 2014 14:03:54 GMT -6
For me, the turning point in my dislike of Apple was learning Apple's business practices of leasing mac systems into Pro Audio "schools" in a blatant attempt to propagate more of that dogma into the next generation. Schools and institutions are required to sign "non compete" agreements where they cannot teach anything other than Apple-approved software and compatible hardware or risk having their Mac leases forfeit and repossessed if a teacher/professor is found teaching anything not approved. It's much like Apple fronting cash for Asian manufacturing centers in return for primary customer status where they pretty much hog all resources in the industry for a period of time to ensure that no one else can compete. Thankfully Android and it's adopters have been a large enough success to counter this somewhat. Just want to confirm this, I am a professor at the largest college in Canada (100,000+ enrollment), and a part-time professor at another large college. I teach computer programming, mostly Unix/Linux, bash and korn shell scripting, C, html, css, and JavaScript. I have been asked to teach in the music production program, but what Svart points out is exactly true. Apple only, Protools only, though none of the professors in the music production program use Protools or Apple in their studios. I was visiting some friends who worked for a rather large "multimedia" institute and when they showed me the rooms full of Macs, I was like "damn, how did the school afford all these?", and they told me the story. Apple also used to randomly show up and audit their systems to make sure nothing else was being used. I was aghast at this and they were like "we don't like it either" but what could they do?
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Post by donr on Jun 24, 2014 14:59:35 GMT -6
What really killed Opcode was software looting. Gibson tried to save it and failed. They just bought Cakewalk from Roland. Looting has very expensive consequences for users… It never occurred to me that people were stealing Vision/Studio Vision. Damm, I still miss that GUI, it was the best. I lived in Ithaca NY in the 80's, and knew Doug Wyatt, who developed OMS for Opcode, and later went to Apple. Sharp guy.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Jun 24, 2014 15:45:43 GMT -6
Doug is a sharp guy indeed! Dave Oppenheim and most of the Opcode team went down the street to digidesign and still work there contrary to the reports everybody was replaced by Russians. I just spoke with Paul de Benedictis a couple weeks ago.
As for Pro Tools in institutions, the only DAW leading directly to work as an employee is Pro Tools. That's just the facts of life and unlikely to change soon no matter what people prefer for self-employment. It's no different than needing to have a 2" machine used to be for selling studio time.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 24, 2014 17:03:39 GMT -6
Just want to confirm this, I am a professor at the largest college in Canada (100,000+ enrollment), and a part-time professor at another large college. I teach computer programming, mostly Unix/Linux, bash and korn shell scripting, C, html, css, and JavaScript. I have been asked to teach in the music production program, but what Svart points out is exactly true. Apple only, Protools only, though none of the professors in the music production program use Protools or Apple in their studios. I was visiting some friends who worked for a rather large "multimedia" institute and when they showed me the rooms full of Macs, I was like "damn, how did the school afford all these?", and they told me the story. Apple also used to randomly show up and audit their systems to make sure nothing else was being used. I was aghast at this and they were like "we don't like it either" but what could they do? Honestly, sounds like smart business to me...
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Post by warren on Jun 24, 2014 18:29:15 GMT -6
I was visiting some friends who worked for a rather large "multimedia" institute and when they showed me the rooms full of Macs, I was like "damn, how did the school afford all these?", and they told me the story. Apple also used to randomly show up and audit their systems to make sure nothing else was being used. I was aghast at this and they were like "we don't like it either" but what could they do? Honestly, sounds like smart business to me... +1
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Post by Ward on Jun 24, 2014 19:25:24 GMT -6
I was visiting some friends who worked for a rather large "multimedia" institute and when they showed me the rooms full of Macs, I was like "damn, how did the school afford all these?", and they told me the story. Apple also used to randomly show up and audit their systems to make sure nothing else was being used. I was aghast at this and they were like "we don't like it either" but what could they do? Honestly, sounds like smart business to me... Make that +2
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Post by svart on Jun 24, 2014 19:43:51 GMT -6
It's funny when someone like Microsoft makes IE integrated to keep people invested in their products, everyone goes bonkers calling it anti trust and shady, but when Apple does it, It's suddenly smart business...
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Post by Ward on Jun 24, 2014 19:46:18 GMT -6
That's on account of Apple being cool. I am an Apple devotee. Ergo, I am also cool.
(Pick out the falsehood, the irony and the outright lie in the above statements.)
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Post by donr on Jun 24, 2014 20:05:49 GMT -6
It's funny when someone like Microsoft makes IE integrated to keep people invested in their products, everyone goes bonkers calling it anti trust and shady, but when Apple does it, It's suddenly smart business… Apple is getting plenty of hate today from the tech press, and always has, in reaction to the fanboy Apple thing. It was the US gov't that harassed Microsoft, and that smelled of shake-down. Gov't should stay out of the way of tech. Should gov't protect Netscape's market share? If you go back, the tech press predicted doom for Apple when the stock price was $15, predicted failure when it came out with an mp3 player, predicted failure when it wanted to sell digital music, and predicted failure when it made a cell phone. In the edu markets, Apple sells cheaply in exchange for exclusivity. They always have, which is why there were Apple II's in schools.
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Post by winetree on Jun 24, 2014 20:20:01 GMT -6
I bought a 1,000 shares of apple at $17 a share. Following the rule, "Only a fool holds out for the last dollar" I sold it at $149 a share thinking it couldn't go any higher. I should have held on to it. They must be doing something right.
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Post by Ward on Jun 24, 2014 20:22:09 GMT -6
At the time I wanted to buy Apple stock, it was $14 a share but I was in the middle of paying for 2 videos and an album and couldn't swing it... oh well, at least I broke even on the album, thank you European Country Music fans!!
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 24, 2014 22:01:59 GMT -6
It's funny when someone like Microsoft makes IE integrated to keep people invested in their products, everyone goes bonkers calling it anti trust and shady, but when Apple does it, It's suddenly smart business... I never said that. That was smart business too. Made Bill Gates the richest man in the world. Kudos.
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Post by warren on Jun 24, 2014 22:55:28 GMT -6
It's funny when someone like Microsoft makes IE integrated to keep people invested in their products, everyone goes bonkers calling it anti trust and shady, but when Apple does it, It's suddenly smart business... I thought people were whining there too. Instead of stepping up their game, there's too much whining now a days. Amazon, Netflix, Wal-Mart, etc... boo hoo hoo it's not fair, wha wha wha.
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Post by svart on Jun 25, 2014 8:35:07 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2014 17:27:46 GMT -6
It's here and everything is installed, now just waiting for my Zen. I am going to miss Gclip though, all you windows guys should grab that plugin.
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