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Post by Quint on Dec 20, 2022 16:12:15 GMT -6
www.malcolmtoft.com/integra8Anybody seen this? Just based on the price and feature set, I'm guessing this will be better built than the Toft console everyone complained about 10 years ago. Maybe the bean counters left this one alone.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2022 22:21:54 GMT -6
Actually, that's awesome. No really, specs are cracking, price is great and it's extensively feature complete. If they released a 16 channel version someone should drop me a line and I'll buy one without a second thought. jacobamerritt , you might want to have a look into this one. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2022 23:47:04 GMT -6
This would be perfect if it had ADAT i/o
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Post by Quint on Dec 20, 2022 23:47:15 GMT -6
Actually, that's awesome. No really, specs are cracking, price is great and it's extensively feature complete. If they released a 16 channel version someone should drop me a line and I'll buy one without a second thought. jacobamerritt , you might want to have a look into this one. There is supposedly a bigger version yet to come, but even this version does 18 inputs at mixdown, apparently. |
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Post by the other mark williams on Dec 20, 2022 23:54:14 GMT -6
Assuming it works how I think it works, the "Alt Input" feature is great: you can have it setup for use as a live input mixer with one of the inputs (for composition), and as a summing mixer with the other input (for mixing). No repatching required. I love that.
And with inserts on every channel, it would be easy to normal those to a patchbay. Very nice...
EDIT: Actually, the Alt I/P seems to work slightly differently than I thought. See my below post responding to Quint.
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Post by Quint on Dec 20, 2022 23:56:49 GMT -6
Assuming it works how I think it works, the "Alt Input" feature is great: you can have it setup for use as a live input mixer with one of the inputs (for composition), and as a summing mixer with the other input (for mixing). No repatching required. I love that. Yeah, that's how I understand it to work. Balanced inserts are nice too. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2022 0:15:33 GMT -6
This would be perfect if it had ADAT i/o Agreed but the Toft has wordclock on the digital I/O module so technically speaking it should work absolutely fine in aggregate over USB. That's one of the biggest annoyances with the SSL.. |
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Post by the other mark williams on Dec 21, 2022 0:22:11 GMT -6
Assuming it works how I think it works, the "Alt Input" feature is great: you can have it setup for use as a live input mixer with one of the inputs (for composition), and as a summing mixer with the other input (for mixing). No repatching required. I love that. Yeah, that's how I understand it to work. Balanced inserts are nice too. OK, I just read the review from the site, and it looks like the Alt I/P works a little differently than how I thought, though this may have been what you were already thinking, Quint:
Apparently, if you switch in the Alt I/P, it changes the Send 3 into a volume knob for the Alt I/P on that channel, and it changes the Send 4 into a pan knob for the Alt I/P on that channel. Interesting. Not exactly what I thought, and not exactly what I would want, either. But I can certainly see the benefit in some scenarios. I mean, it can more or less become a 16 channel summing desk using it that way, but it would be annoying to not have a fader for every channel. And I assume the Alt I/P signal would go through Send 1 and Send 2 just like the regular I/P on that channel, so it would get the same FX as the regular channel.
And even if one were to use the Alt I/P as their live input / cue mixer, personally I like to be able to grab an actual fader in that scenario, rather than a knob labeled "Send 3." A little weird to me.
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Post by m03 on Dec 21, 2022 0:28:34 GMT -6
Seems like an improved (or at least better optioned) take on the SSL XDesk. I'd love to see more companies do the "rackable 8 channel mixer with faders, direct outs, send/returns, alt ins, and a decent monitoring section" thing.
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Post by jacobamerritt on Dec 21, 2022 0:31:55 GMT -6
Actually, that's awesome. No really, specs are cracking, price is great and it's extensively feature complete. If they released a 16 channel version someone should drop me a line and I'll buy one without a second thought. jacobamerritt , you might want to have a look into this one. Eh, not for me. Alice 828 is more exciting and fun for what I'm after. Moving forward with one. In fact Ted Fletcher and Paul Andersson are getting started on the customizations this week! |
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Post by ericn on Dec 21, 2022 6:56:23 GMT -6
Actually, that's awesome. No really, specs are cracking, price is great and it's extensively feature complete. If they released a 16 channel version someone should drop me a line and I'll buy one without a second thought. jacobamerritt , you might want to have a look into this one. Before you fall in love take a look at the crap faders for the automation system he is offering as an option. If the non motorized version of those is standard this thing is really overpriced! |
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Post by Quint on Dec 21, 2022 7:30:04 GMT -6
Yeah, that's how I understand it to work. Balanced inserts are nice too. OK, I just read the review from the site, and it looks like the Alt I/P works a little differently than how I thought, though this may have been what you were already thinking, Quint:
Apparently, if you switch in the Alt I/P, it changes the Send 3 into a volume knob for the Alt I/P on that channel, and it changes the Send 4 into a pan knob for the Alt I/P on that channel. Interesting. Not exactly what I thought, and not exactly what I would want, either. But I can certainly see the benefit in some scenarios. I mean, it can more or less become a 16 channel summing desk using it that way, but it would be annoying to not have a fader for every channel. And I assume the Alt I/P signal would go through Send 1 and Send 2 just like the regular I/P on that channel, so it would get the same FX as the regular channel.
And even if one were to use the Alt I/P as their live input / cue mixer, personally I like to be able to grab an actual fader in that scenario, rather than a knob labeled "Send 3." A little weird to me.
I just found out about this thing, so you know as much as I do at this point. I think the point of the Alt button/knobs/input is to allow this thing to function like an inline console. Faders for tracking inputs, Alt knobs for tape/DAW playback returns (or the opposite, if you wire it up that way). I'm kind of just viewing the 16 inputs at mixdown as kind of a bonus. This is why I'd probably end up wanting the larger version, if/when it ever comes out. |
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Post by Quint on Dec 21, 2022 7:30:56 GMT -6
Actually, that's awesome. No really, specs are cracking, price is great and it's extensively feature complete. If they released a 16 channel version someone should drop me a line and I'll buy one without a second thought. jacobamerritt , you might want to have a look into this one. Before you fall in love take a look at the crap faders for the automation system he is offering as an option. If the non motorized version of those is standard this thing is really overpriced! What makes them crap? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2022 9:33:05 GMT -6
Actually, that's awesome. No really, specs are cracking, price is great and it's extensively feature complete. If they released a 16 channel version someone should drop me a line and I'll buy one without a second thought. Before you fall in love take a look at the crap faders for the automation system he is offering as an option. If the non motorized version of those is standard this thing is really overpriced! You know me and middle of the road mixers, moth to a flame.. |
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Post by ericn on Dec 21, 2022 10:25:54 GMT -6
Before you fall in love take a look at the crap faders for the automation system he is offering as an option. If the non motorized version of those is standard this thing is really overpriced! What makes them crap? The ones used in the automation system are the motorized equivalent to what you would find in a cheap Peavey or Audio Centerion, they are the analog equivalent to what you find in a Behringer x32 or Yamaha 02r, not bad if your running voltage but they suck and have a short life for audio. |
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Post by Quint on Dec 21, 2022 10:41:59 GMT -6
The ones used in the automation system are the motorized equivalent to what you would find in a cheap Peavey or Audio Centerion, they are the analog equivalent to what you find in a Behringer x32 or Yamaha 02r, not bad if your running voltage but they suck and have a short life for audio. Are they not Alps? I read that they were, and I generally associate Alps with quality when it comes to faders. |
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Post by ericn on Dec 21, 2022 11:13:08 GMT -6
The ones used in the automation system are the motorized equivalent to what you would find in a cheap Peavey or Audio Centerion, they are the analog equivalent to what you find in a Behringer x32 or Yamaha 02r, not bad if your running voltage but they suck and have a short life for audio. Are they not Alps? I read that they were, and I generally associate Alps with quality when it comes to faders. Alps has many lines of faders these are the very cheap ones, it is the Equivalent of saying I associate Chevrolet with great performance because of the Corvette, these are the Lumina, Corsica Chevet or Vega. |
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Post by Quint on Dec 21, 2022 14:04:10 GMT -6
Are they not Alps? I read that they were, and I generally associate Alps with quality when it comes to faders. Alps has many lines of faders these are the very cheap ones, it is the Equivalent of saying I associate Chevrolet with great performance because of the Corvette, these are the Lumina, Corsica Chevet or Vega. I didn't realize that Alps had a "cheap" line. Good to know. |
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Post by ericn on Dec 21, 2022 14:33:57 GMT -6
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Post by keymod on Dec 21, 2022 14:54:32 GMT -6
Seems like an improved (or at least better optioned) take on the SSL XDesk. I'd love to see more companies do the " rackable 8 channel mixer with faders, direct outs, send/returns, alt ins, and a decent monitoring section" thing. APB Dynasonics Pro Rack House can't be beat |
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Post by Quint on Dec 21, 2022 15:15:59 GMT -6
Seems like an improved (or at least better optioned) take on the SSL XDesk. I'd love to see more companies do the " rackable 8 channel mixer with faders, direct outs, send/returns, alt ins, and a decent monitoring section" thing. APB Dynasonics Pro Rack House can't be beat The APB stuff seems super cool. I've heard nothing but good things. |
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