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Post by wiz on Nov 1, 2022 17:28:32 GMT -6
I am thinking of getting a 251/C12 style microphone.... The 3U audio mics, anyone know what sort of difference in sound there is between the lower and higher priced mics that are the same sort of tonality... Here is the description from the manufacturer... Warbler MKIII, Warbler MKIIID and GZ12fet: warm and bright, sounds like vintage C12 Warbler MKIV, Warbler MKIVD and GZ251fet: warm and airy, sounds like vintage ELAM251 I know that the D variant means 3 pattern. I also know that the GZ series have AMI transformers in them and "upgraded" caps and resistors etc. But I can't find any examples comparing these mics. There is a fair bit of daylight between them regards pricing. cheers Wiz ragan |
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Post by bossanova on Nov 1, 2022 18:42:34 GMT -6
There’s a huge thread at the purple place with audio examples, if you want the link. Someone had a really good description of the difference between the stock and GE mics but I can’t remember how they phrased it. I think it was that the upgraded transformer is similar to what you would hear from the better Warm Audio mics, at least in the case of the stock MKI vs the GE variants. Ragan might have more thoughts and/or a better memory there.
I do know that all of the C12 based mics are the side terminated 67 capsule rather than a true “12” clone.
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Post by the other mark williams on Nov 1, 2022 18:48:56 GMT -6
paging ragan for sure on this |
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Post by hadaja on Nov 1, 2022 21:56:33 GMT -6
Hey Wiz, You want to borrow my miktek cv4 for a while ? Thats a 251.
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Post by wiz on Nov 1, 2022 23:44:16 GMT -6
Hey Wiz, You want to borrow my miktek cv4 for a while ? Thats a 251. Thanks for the offer... I actually had one of those years back... cheers Wiz |
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Post by hadaja on Nov 2, 2022 0:09:41 GMT -6
Maybe the warm audio 251 could work for you as they would be using 3U capsules?
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Post by ragan on Nov 2, 2022 7:21:41 GMT -6
I am thinking of getting a 251/C12 style microphone.... The 3U audio mics, anyone know what sort of difference in sound there is between the lower and higher priced mics that are the same sort of tonality... Here is the description from the manufacturer... Warbler MKIII, Warbler MKIIID and GZ12fet: warm and bright, sounds like vintage C12 Warbler MKIV, Warbler MKIVD and GZ251fet: warm and airy, sounds like vintage ELAM251 I know that the D variant means 3 pattern. I also know that the GZ series have AMI transformers in them and "upgraded" caps and resistors etc. But I can't find any examples comparing these mics. There is a fair bit of daylight between them regards pricing. cheers Wiz ragan Hey Wiz. I have used the MKIV and GZ251, but I haven't directly compared them. It was also several years ago now. I do have a good bit of experience comparing the MKID and GZ67Fet, though, and to whatever extent that's useful here, I can speak to that difference. The GZ67Fet is a little more refined. The top end has more air, it's got a little more overall clarity I think. That said, I still kind of prefer the MKID. I split a matched pair of the GZ67Fet with my good buddy and I ended up giving him mine so he could have the pair. I loved it and used it a lot, but my pair of MKID (which are within inches of the vintage U87 I've used a good bit) just became my go-to workhorses. I like the 3-position HF rolloff, I like their mid-forward, U87-y sonics. They just stay up and in use all the time. And the MK67 had become my go-to 67 so my GZ67Fet was seeing less use. That doesn't necessarily speak to the difference between the MKIV(D) and the GZ251, but it might kind of speak to the overall difference between Warbler and GZ series. What are the primary uses you're looking for here? |
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Post by wiz on Nov 2, 2022 15:06:10 GMT -6
I am thinking of getting a 251/C12 style microphone.... The 3U audio mics, anyone know what sort of difference in sound there is between the lower and higher priced mics that are the same sort of tonality... Here is the description from the manufacturer... Warbler MKIII, Warbler MKIIID and GZ12fet: warm and bright, sounds like vintage C12 Warbler MKIV, Warbler MKIVD and GZ251fet: warm and airy, sounds like vintage ELAM251 I know that the D variant means 3 pattern. I also know that the GZ series have AMI transformers in them and "upgraded" caps and resistors etc. But I can't find any examples comparing these mics. There is a fair bit of daylight between them regards pricing. cheers Wiz ragan Hey Wiz. I have used the MKIV and GZ251, but I haven't directly compared them. It was also several years ago now. I do have a good bit of experience comparing the MKID and GZ67Fet, though, and to whatever extent that's useful here, I can speak to that difference. The GZ67Fet is a little more refined. The top end has more air, it's got a little more overall clarity I think. That said, I still kind of prefer the MKID. I split a matched pair of the GZ67Fet with my good buddy and I ended up giving him mine so he could have the pair. I loved it and used it a lot, but my pair of MKID (which are within inches of the vintage U87 I've used a good bit) just became my go-to workhorses. I like the 3-position HF rolloff, I like their mid-forward, U87-y sonics. They just stay up and in use all the time. And the MK67 had become my go-to 67 so my GZ67Fet was seeing less use. That doesn't necessarily speak to the difference between the MKIV(D) and the GZ251, but it might kind of speak to the overall difference between Warbler and GZ series. What are the primary uses you're looking for here? Thanks for the reply re uses…..backing Vox (a different colour to my old 87)…acoustic guitar,female vocals. cheers Wiz |
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Post by chessparov on Nov 2, 2022 17:43:06 GMT -6
Maybe one of the other 414 versions*, or one of the many "inspired by's"?
Similar to the common U87/414 studio combo choice of Yore?
I do wonder if there's a projected ETA, on the non-Tube Heiserman Type 19, with the brass 414/251 capsule.
Chris
*Edge terminated capsule.
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Post by wiz on Nov 5, 2022 4:00:42 GMT -6
Ordered a MKIVD... will let you know how I get on
cheers
Wiz
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