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Post by seawell on Oct 30, 2022 12:53:59 GMT -6
If we think this way it will never end though will it? Just taking turns abusing power depending on which party is in control doesn't seem very productive. If the chickens are coming home to roost then that would imply that there was a previous time period where liberals were disproportionately removed from platforms like Paypal. If someone could point me to examples of that I would gladly change my tune, I just haven't seen it. Some food for thought on this: This line of thinking only really works if you can show that liberals violated terms of service in the same proportion. It is also reliant on a belief that private companies should have less or even no say in how their products are used or who they do business with. I think it’s an extra wrinkle though when it is financial based. Losing a social media account is one thing but financial penalties are a whole other level to me. As far as terms of service, when the ADL and SPLC(PayPal has open partnerships with them) are shaping those terms of service it should be no wonder that conservatives would be flagged more often. Make fair policy with input from not just left wing institutions and I think it would go a long way towards avoiding any controversy. Speaking of private companies, it will be very interesting to see what happens on twitter now that it is private as far as what accounts may be restored and what kind of accounts may be suspended(or not)moving forward. I completely acknowledge that there are wild extremes on both sides now probably more than ever. I’m also not saying that everyone that has been booted from PayPal, go fund me, social media, etc…didn’t deserve it. I’m just saying I think it could be way more fair and consistent. I also like the idea of very rarely, if ever, permanently banning people. I think it breeds even more extremism and is counterproductive. So, in general, I say allow free(legal)speech. Let the best ideas win out and just be fair/consistent.
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Post by hadaja on Oct 30, 2022 15:08:56 GMT -6
It's not new. The fine got reinstated. It was abandoned for a while, but existed before. It's not the only shady thing PP has been doing. If you care to search for people who got robbed by PP, you'll find a lot of them. And there's a suspicious number of those who are politically or socially active. I don't know if PP's motives are political. Could very well be it's just the fascist side of capitalism at work? I wonder who took the decision to reinstate this fine. I mean who's on the board these days? Well Dan the Paypal CEO is a WEF contributing member so that might make his Personal views more evident in his policies.
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Post by cyrano on Oct 31, 2022 15:30:53 GMT -6
Interesting. I stopped following news about PP when they were acquired by ebay, so I had no idea.
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Post by schmalzy on Nov 1, 2022 9:40:39 GMT -6
The political discussions that pop up around here every-so-often are perfectly fantastic on-the-nose case studies in Dunning-Kruger. It's truly amazing.
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Post by M57 on Nov 1, 2022 12:04:13 GMT -6
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Post by seawell on Nov 1, 2022 15:47:25 GMT -6
The political discussions that pop up around here every-so-often are perfectly fantastic on-the-nose case studies in Dunning-Kruger. It's truly amazing.
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Post by drbill on Nov 1, 2022 16:34:02 GMT -6
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Post by seawell on Nov 1, 2022 16:36:56 GMT -6
On topic : today I got money from PayPal!!! Yay!! Did they give you $2,500 for your outstanding Instagram studio pics? 😁. This new policy could work both ways!
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Post by drbill on Nov 1, 2022 19:51:35 GMT -6
On topic : today I got money from PayPal!!! Yay!! Did they give you $2,500 for your outstanding Instagram studio pics? 😁. This new policy could work both ways! Nah....just what was owed me. But I like your thinking.... I want my $2500 for giving TRUE information on request and $2500 per outstanding instagram pic that receives over 1000 likes!!! $2500 per incident please!!
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Post by seawell on Nov 1, 2022 23:03:33 GMT -6
Did they give you $2,500 for your outstanding Instagram studio pics? 😁. This new policy could work both ways! Nah....just what was owed me. But I like your thinking.... I want my $2500 for giving TRUE information on request and $2500 per outstanding instagram pic that receives over 1000 likes!!! $2500 per incident please!! I'd like to propose a compromise to PayPal. You can penalize me $2,500 every time I post misinformation but...here's the catch...every time my "misinformation" is proven true later, you have to pay me back 10x. How's that for a deal? I could've retired off the past 2 years alone 😜
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Post by drbill on Nov 2, 2022 0:28:33 GMT -6
Nah....just what was owed me. But I like your thinking.... I want my $2500 for giving TRUE information on request and $2500 per outstanding instagram pic that receives over 1000 likes!!! $2500 per incident please!! I'd like to propose a compromise to PayPal. You can penalize me $2,500 every time I post misinformation but...here's the catch...every time my "misinformation" is proven true later, you have to pay me back 10x. How's that for a deal? I could've retired off the past 2 years alone 😜 Yeah, that would work too!!
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Post by johneppstein on Nov 2, 2022 12:57:41 GMT -6
Sorry! As I see it, what we have here is a case of chickens coming home to roost. Not going to say much more, except that those used to being in power tend to get really touchy when the scales balance in the other direction. If we think this way it will never end though will it? Just taking turns abusing power depending on which party is in control doesn't seem very productive. If the chickens are coming home to roost then that would imply that there was a previous time period where liberals were disproportionately removed from platforms like Paypal. If someone could point me to examples of that I would gladly change my tune, I just haven't seen it. How about blacks and Latinos? Hippies, during the '60s and early '70s. Jews, too, especially before wwII. Platforms like Paypal have been around a very, very short period of time, so there is barely any more than zero history to go by. This is actually a result of Reagan's policies, deregulating everything, which tends to be a destabilizing influence.
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Post by seawell on Nov 2, 2022 14:12:49 GMT -6
If we think this way it will never end though will it? Just taking turns abusing power depending on which party is in control doesn't seem very productive. If the chickens are coming home to roost then that would imply that there was a previous time period where liberals were disproportionately removed from platforms like Paypal. If someone could point me to examples of that I would gladly change my tune, I just haven't seen it. How about blacks and Latinos? Hippies, during the '60s and early '70s. Jews, too, especially before wwII. Platforms like Paypal have been around a very, very short period of time, so there is barely any more than zero history to go by. This is actually a result of Reagan's policies, deregulating everything, which tends to be a destabilizing influence. Paypal has been around for 24 years now. I think that's plenty of time to give the examples of what I asked for if it has happened. I think the only way for the other stuff you mentioned to work would be if PayPal had historically discriminated against those folks while under right leaning leadership(while consulting with right leaning organizations to help shape policy). Now, if you're talking about the chickens coming home to roost in the greater historical sense of our country then I can understand a bit more where you're coming from. I just don't think "payback" through policy from business or especially the government would be a good, productive practice. Don't you think it would just be better policy for PayPal not to get in the business on financially penalizing anyone as that kind of seems outside of their scope? Can we all agree that historically twitter has canceled more right leaning accounts? Now that it's under new ownership, if they start disproportionally suspending left leaning accounts, I won't be happy and I won't celebrate it. With all of these debates, no matter if it is twitter, Facebook, PayPal, etc.. I think most people are only looking for fair, transparent policy that is applied as equally as possible.
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Post by schmalzy on Nov 2, 2022 16:24:47 GMT -6
"Even when I think I'm wrong I'm right. I am all-knowing."
Rush Limbaugh
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Post by seawell on Nov 2, 2022 17:52:09 GMT -6
"Even when I think I'm wrong I'm right. I am all-knowing." Rush Limbaugh If you’re implying I was a Rush listener you’re dead wrong. Again, if you have something to say, why not just say it? You’ve posted twice in this thread now acting like you know better than everyone else so why not enlightening us? 😁
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Post by notneeson on Nov 2, 2022 18:54:34 GMT -6
"Even when I think I'm wrong I'm right. I am all-knowing." Rush Limbaugh If you’re implying I was a Rush listener you’re dead wrong. Again, if you have something to say, why not just say it? You’ve posted twice in this thread now acting like you know better than everyone else so why not enlightening us? 😁 Respectfully, you’re ongoing mention of “misinformation” that turned out to be fact, hits the exact same way. Why not just say it?
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Post by seawell on Nov 2, 2022 19:01:27 GMT -6
If you’re implying I was a Rush listener you’re dead wrong. Again, if you have something to say, why not just say it? You’ve posted twice in this thread now acting like you know better than everyone else so why not enlightening us? 😁 Respectfully, you’re ongoing mention of “misinformation” that turned out to be fact, hits the exact same way. Why not just say it? To keep it on topic, I’d ask you to just review the covid thread if you’d like, although I wouldn’t really recommend it 🤣
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Post by hadaja on Nov 2, 2022 20:16:51 GMT -6
Hey seawell do you watch anything on rumble?
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Post by seawell on Nov 2, 2022 20:21:47 GMT -6
Hey seawell do you watch anything on rumble? I don’t but if you have something you’d recommend I’ll be glad to check it out! Thanks.
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Post by johneppstein on Nov 3, 2022 11:10:10 GMT -6
How about blacks and Latinos? Hippies, during the '60s and early '70s. Jews, too, especially before wwII. Platforms like Paypal have been around a very, very short period of time, so there is barely any more than zero history to go by. This is actually a result of Reagan's policies, deregulating everything, which tends to be a destabilizing influence. Paypal has been around for 24 years now. I think that's plenty of time to give the examples of what I asked for if it has happened. I think the only way for the other stuff you mentioned to work would be if PayPal had historically discriminated against those folks while under right leaning leadership(while consulting with right leaning organizations to help shape policy). Now, if you're talking about the chickens coming home to roost in the greater historical sense of our country then I can understand a bit more where you're coming from. I just don't think "payback" through policy from business or especially the government would be a good, productive practice. Don't you think it would just be better policy for PayPal not to get in the business on financially penalizing anyone as that kind of seems outside of their scope? Can we all agree that historically twitter has canceled more right leaning accounts? Now that it's under new ownership, if they start disproportionally suspending left leaning accounts, I won't be happy and I won't celebrate it. With all of these debates, no matter if it is twitter, Facebook, PayPal, etc.. I think most people are only looking for fair, transparent policy that is applied as equally as possible. You must be quite young. 25 years is barely a blink in the eye of history. Hell, 25 yars is just barely more than 1/3 of my life so far. Yesterday!
And frankly, I think that being banned from one site on the innerwebs is pretty trivial compated to, say, millions being murdered in a genocide (take your pick - there are plenty), or any other of a myriad of atrocities committed by the "other side". Why don't we just keep politics out of our discussins, shall we?
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Post by seawell on Nov 3, 2022 11:32:58 GMT -6
Paypal has been around for 24 years now. I think that's plenty of time to give the examples of what I asked for if it has happened. I think the only way for the other stuff you mentioned to work would be if PayPal had historically discriminated against those folks while under right leaning leadership(while consulting with right leaning organizations to help shape policy). Now, if you're talking about the chickens coming home to roost in the greater historical sense of our country then I can understand a bit more where you're coming from. I just don't think "payback" through policy from business or especially the government would be a good, productive practice. Don't you think it would just be better policy for PayPal not to get in the business on financially penalizing anyone as that kind of seems outside of their scope? Can we all agree that historically twitter has canceled more right leaning accounts? Now that it's under new ownership, if they start disproportionally suspending left leaning accounts, I won't be happy and I won't celebrate it. With all of these debates, no matter if it is twitter, Facebook, PayPal, etc.. I think most people are only looking for fair, transparent policy that is applied as equally as possible. You must be quite young. 25 years is barely a blink in the eye of history. Hell, 25 yars is just barely more than 1/3 of my life so far. Yesterday!
And frankly, I think that being banned from one site on the innerwebs is pretty trivial compated to, say, millions being murdered in a genocide (take your pick - there are plenty), or any other of a myriad of atrocities committed by the "other side". Why don't we just keep politics out of our discussins, shall we?
I'm 43 for the record. Being banned from one site like YouTube for example could absolutely crush someone that has built their whole business on that platform. I get it it, there are a few folks here that don't like me bringing politics into the discussion(I'm not the first one that introduced politics into this thread for what it's worth), but... I don't think there's any way to have an intellectually honest discussion about PayPal's proposed censorship without taking a look at the broader issue of censorship online of the past 5 years or so. For some of us, what PayPal proposed isn't an outlier, it seems more like a trend. That's my only point. I couldn't care less if it were the right or the left getting censored, I don't want it happening to anyone. I think I'm in agreement with most here on that. I agree with you, there are much bigger issues in the world in general, but the topic of this thread was PayPal so that's why it's being discussed instead of those things. I would happily never discuss politics on this site again but we're going to have to be way more selective about certain thread topics. There's no way this could be discussed without politics coming up unfortunately.
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Post by Tbone81 on Nov 3, 2022 13:40:17 GMT -6
Paypal has been around for 24 years now. I think that's plenty of time to give the examples of what I asked for if it has happened. I think the only way for the other stuff you mentioned to work would be if PayPal had historically discriminated against those folks while under right leaning leadership(while consulting with right leaning organizations to help shape policy). Now, if you're talking about the chickens coming home to roost in the greater historical sense of our country then I can understand a bit more where you're coming from. I just don't think "payback" through policy from business or especially the government would be a good, productive practice. Don't you think it would just be better policy for PayPal not to get in the business on financially penalizing anyone as that kind of seems outside of their scope? Can we all agree that historically twitter has canceled more right leaning accounts? Now that it's under new ownership, if they start disproportionally suspending left leaning accounts, I won't be happy and I won't celebrate it. With all of these debates, no matter if it is twitter, Facebook, PayPal, etc.. I think most people are only looking for fair, transparent policy that is applied as equally as possible. You must be quite young. 25 years is barely a blink in the eye of history. Hell, 25 yars is just barely more than 1/3 of my life so far. Yesterday!
And frankly, I think that being banned from one site on the innerwebs is pretty trivial compated to, say, millions being murdered in a genocide (take your pick - there are plenty), or any other of a myriad of atrocities committed by the "other side". Why don't we just keep politics out of our discussins, shall we?
Its really difficult to see how genocide, or any other atrocities (committed by any side), is relevant to PayPal or whether they (and/or others) are politically motivated. It’s way off topic. But for clarity, what “side” are you talking about and what genocides are you referring to? The 100 million people murdered by leftist communists in the past century? The 6 million or so Jews killed in the Holocaust by nazis? I mean not that it matters…either way it’s irrelevant to the discussion. But if your point is that one side doing something wrong is ok because the other side also did something wrong (or even worse)…well, then that’s kind of disgusting. I’m not sure that’s really what you mean because honestly you’re posts in this thread haven’t made much sense to me. Maybe it’s me and I’m just “too young” to understand. Maybe you can clarify your position and how it’s relevant to this thread?
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Post by johneppstein on Nov 4, 2022 7:42:42 GMT -6
I do not believe that people who claim to be news reporters should be permitted to post provably wrong and subversive posts as "news". Most people don't bother to fact check. I do.
What people seem to overlook is that such behavior was in fact illegal until quite recently. News reporting was required to be kept separate from news reporting. If you didn't support something you simply ignored it. Editorializing was kept to the editorial section (page, whatever).
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Post by cyrano on Nov 11, 2022 7:32:58 GMT -6
I fought the Paypal and I won. jessesingal.substack.com/p/i-fought-the-paypal-and-i-wonBanks aren't supposed to censor people. Sure, they shouldn't do business with crime, but PP shows a different pattern. Could there be some entity somewhere that's abusing the systems that are in place?
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Post by hadaja on Nov 11, 2022 14:22:02 GMT -6
I fought the Paypal and I won. jessesingal.substack.com/p/i-fought-the-paypal-and-i-wonBanks aren't supposed to censor people. Sure, they shouldn't do business with crime, but PP shows a different pattern. Could there be some entity somewhere that's abusing the systems that are in place? Interesting read. Thanks for the heads up.
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