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Post by gouge on Oct 21, 2022 2:25:43 GMT -6
Im looking at both mics and keen to hear peoples thoughts.
The stam was going to be in my xmas basket but the samples of the bu67 have made the decision difficult.
A few people here have used both mics. Is it jyst my own bias or does the bu67 have something extra going on when compared to the sa 47.
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Post by thehightenor on Oct 21, 2022 2:36:58 GMT -6
What is the application?
A 47 and a 67 are very different mics.
For example, my voice sounds great on a 47 but not so much on a 67.
On acoustic guitar both will sound great but quite different.
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Post by gouge on Oct 21, 2022 2:52:30 GMT -6
Mainly vocals and acoustic instruments.
Im sure i could get either working in those applications but agree with your point.
Thing is when i hear samples whilst i like the stam i feel like the bu67 has something extra. Dont know what to call it. Depth, sparkle???
Ive got a u47fet clone and a pair of u87 clones already. Trying to figure out how to afford both the sa47 and the bu67 even though i probably dont need either as what i have does the job. Just keen to explore other options.
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Post by chessparov on Oct 21, 2022 8:52:17 GMT -6
BU67 nailed what I call the "Ricky Nelson" sound for me. I plan to finally get it by early 2023 or sooner. (The mic that is  ) Sorry haven't tried the Stam. I do love the 47 tube and FET styles generally too. Chris |
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Post by ericn on Oct 21, 2022 10:16:01 GMT -6
BU67 nailed what I call the "Ricky Nelson" sound for me. I plan to finally get it by early 2023 or sooner. (The mic that is ) Sorry haven't tried the Stam. I do love the 47 tube and FET styles generally too. Chris I remember dropping some tape off some where and walking into a session with his Twins, we laughed at the connection of the last name. |
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Post by tkaitkai on Oct 21, 2022 13:44:28 GMT -6
Mainly vocals and acoustic instruments. Im sure i could get either working in those applications but agree with your point. Thing is when i hear samples whilst i like the stam i feel like the bu67 has something extra. Dont know what to call it. Depth, sparkle??? Ive got a u47fet clone and a pair of u87 clones already. Trying to figure out how to afford both the sa47 and the bu67 even though i probably dont need either as what i have does the job. Just keen to explore other options. The mics you have should actually give you a pretty decent idea of which direction to head in.
Essentially, you have a FET-coupled K47 and K67, and you're looking at either a tube K47 or K67 — this will likely be a smoother, more relaxed, "prettier," harmonically richer version of what you already have.
Use the 47 + 87 clones you have to figure out which capsule works best for your needs and then go from there.
Some (such as myself) sound pretty bad on one and great on the other, which makes it an easy choice. I can't stand my voice on most K67-based mics, even though I love them on other voices/instruments. On the other hand, K47-based mics almost always work for me.
Some people sound great on both, which is kind of tricky. More of a preference thing in that case.
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Post by OtisGreying on Oct 21, 2022 20:46:17 GMT -6
I like Stam but the mk1234 thing on every product turns me off I have to say. I’d be one thing if it was an original design being updated, and it’s just got new features etc, but for a clone of a design that’s usually over 50 years old to need to have Mark 2 and 3 just strikes me as a buyer with a pretty lousy feeling after seeing that the clone I bought is now upgraded and better when there are so often advertised as absolutely 100% spot on to original, no compromises yada yada yada
That being said I can’t speak to how the U47 mk3 sounds - it may be the best sounding u47 clone on the market for all I know in which case the marketing strategy is a side note, but unfortunately demoing Stam products to find out yourself before buying is quite difficult
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Post by hadaja on Oct 21, 2022 21:00:01 GMT -6
Sometimes mk1, mk2 and so on, can be the result of parts availabilities . This can also be from manufacturing partner fallouts etc. so its not all bad.
Sometimes the Mk1 version can be the best as companies move to sourcing cheaper parts as alternatives.
I thought my Heiserman k67 capsule in my mk1 stam 67 was quite decent.
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Post by chessparov on Oct 21, 2022 22:09:23 GMT -6
BU67 nailed what I call the "Ricky Nelson" sound for me. I plan to finally get it by early 2023 or sooner. (The mic that is ) Sorry haven't tried the Stam. I do love the 47 tube and FET styles generally too. Chris I remember dropping some tape off some where and walking into a session with his Twins, we laughed at the connection of the last name. If they both go Solo, they'd each then become... Half Nelson. Chris |
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Post by gouge on Oct 21, 2022 22:40:32 GMT -6
Mainly vocals and acoustic instruments. Im sure i could get either working in those applications but agree with your point. Thing is when i hear samples whilst i like the stam i feel like the bu67 has something extra. Dont know what to call it. Depth, sparkle??? Ive got a u47fet clone and a pair of u87 clones already. Trying to figure out how to afford both the sa47 and the bu67 even though i probably dont need either as what i have does the job. Just keen to explore other options. The mics you have should actually give you a pretty decent idea of which direction to head in.
Essentially, you have a FET-coupled K47 and K67, and you're looking at either a tube K47 or K67 — this will likely be a smoother, more relaxed, "prettier," harmonically richer version of what you already have.
Use the 47 + 87 clones you have to figure out which capsule works best for your needs and then go from there.
Some (such as myself) sound pretty bad on one and great on the other, which makes it an easy choice. I can't stand my voice on most K67-based mics, even though I love them on other voices/instruments. On the other hand, K47-based mics almost always work for me.
Some people sound great on both, which is kind of tricky. More of a preference thing in that case.
great way of looking at things... which leads me to the u47 side of things. if they were still being made i'd get the stam fet47 mk2. love the one i have for it's tight pattern and high spl. plus it's a known quantity for me. |
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Post by gouge on Oct 21, 2022 22:42:47 GMT -6
I like Stam but the mk1234 thing on every product turns me off I have to say. I’d be one thing if it was an original design being updated, and it’s just got new features etc, but for a clone of a design that’s usually over 50 years old to need to have Mark 2 and 3 just strikes me as a buyer with a pretty lousy feeling after seeing that the clone I bought is now upgraded and better when there are so often advertised as absolutely 100% spot on to original, no compromises yada yada yada That being said I can’t speak to how the U47 mk3 sounds - it may be the best sounding u47 clone on the market for all I know in which case the marketing strategy is a side note, but unfortunately demoing Stam products to find out yourself before buying is quite difficult i'm a little bummed by this as well. |
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Post by gouge on Oct 21, 2022 22:45:02 GMT -6
out of the u47 and the u67 which would have the tighter polar pattern in cardioid
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Post by chessparov on Oct 21, 2022 23:00:25 GMT -6
The 67 was partly designed to be used closer up on vocals.  Chris |
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Post by ericn on Oct 22, 2022 8:45:59 GMT -6
I remember dropping some tape off some where and walking into a session with his Twins, we laughed at the connection of the last name. If they both go Solo, they'd each then become... Half Nelson. Chris The family Moto we don’t go half way, it’s full Nelson baby, ask our cousin Monty. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 22, 2022 11:01:47 GMT -6
I have the Stam SA67 with the Tim Campbell capsule. It sounds like a 67. The important thing is, do you sound better on a 47 or a 67. Comparing them is just about compatibility, one not necessarily being "better" than the other.
AS Eric mentioned, the Mk. I, II, and III versions are often because of supply issues. I know Joshua, and he's also a stickler for accuracy. I would say that at the time one of his mics are being made, they do in fact have the best parts available. I think that as time passes, new things become available and some fine points in the design might be improved on.
I understand how it can be frustrating to have one version and then a new one comes out. That said, remember, there are a dozen versions of the 414, god knows how many small changes Neumann made to their models over time. Finding two U-47's or 67's that actually sound the same is virtually impossible.
The only difference is Neumann didn't change the model name or version name. I think Joshua does his best to be transparent about everything, but that comes with some people wondering about it.
I'd rather any company updates their product if it is an improvement and not just about parts availability.
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Post by stam on Oct 22, 2022 11:14:45 GMT -6
I like Stam but the mk1234 thing on every product turns me off I have to say. I’d be one thing if it was an original design being updated, and it’s just got new features etc, but for a clone of a design that’s usually over 50 years old to need to have Mark 2 and 3 just strikes me as a buyer with a pretty lousy feeling after seeing that the clone I bought is now upgraded and better when there are so often advertised as absolutely 100% spot on to original, no compromises yada yada yada That being said I can’t speak to how the U47 mk3 sounds - it may be the best sounding u47 clone on the market for all I know in which case the marketing strategy is a side note, but unfortunately demoing Stam products to find out yourself before buying is quite difficult I’d just like to chime in to clarify that the MK1, MK2 and MK3 on the 47 does not mean better nor necessarily different. The SA-47 MK2 saw an upgrade on the body finish and changing the black logo as well as a change on the capsule supplier. The tube, transformer and circuit remained the same and I tried to get the top end closer to my favorite intact U47 out of 8 we have access to. The MK3 is the same as the MK2, the only change is that the body now has a matt finish (a little darker) and it comes with an optional extra K47 capsule. These can also be used on the MK2. I could have not changed the name to MK3 but sometimes people want matched pairs and the aesthetics would be a little different. Part and sound wise they are the same, it is not better nor worse. I hope this helps! |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 22, 2022 19:24:15 GMT -6
Makes sense, thanks Joshua.
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Post by Mark Kano on Oct 31, 2022 6:51:18 GMT -6
Josh, will owners of the MK2 be able to purchase K47 capsules? This is a great option!
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