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Post by kcatthedog on Aug 19, 2022 2:46:45 GMT -6
If you are curious about Reaper, here’s video from a long term PT user trying Reaper.
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Post by svart on Aug 19, 2022 7:05:10 GMT -6
Right click on the mixer and chose "Dock mixer in docker" and it'll dock it at the bottom by default.
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Post by yewtreemagic on Aug 20, 2022 10:13:41 GMT -6
If you are curious about Reaper, here’s video from a long term PT user trying Reaper. Wow, as a Reaper user it was totally illuminating seeing this guy's positive reactions (particularly with drag and drop of plug-ins from one channel to another). |
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Post by mjau on Aug 20, 2022 13:43:28 GMT -6
Been using Reaper for 15 years or so. It’s the only thing I know. Tried Logic and Mixbus and the new UA deal along the way, but Reaper’s just so simple.
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Post by schmalzy on Aug 21, 2022 14:38:49 GMT -6
I've used PT, Logic, Logic's film-centric brother SoundTrack Pro, Adobe Audition, Cubase (a little), and Studio One (even less).
Reaper has been by far the best for me.
I could see switching to PT permanently if it had complete Console 1 integration like Reaper. I'd trade the "industry standard-ness" of PT for some of the Reaper ability (especially since I'm starting to work with more and more tracks recorded in Nashville and those guys - three different groups of people from different studios - have so far refused to bounce tracks consolidated to zero and will instead only send the whole folder song file folder and a .ptx file) but I definitely need the Console 1 integration. It's my console away from console. PT doesn't have that integration (and probably won't ever) so I won't switch. I could see Cubase if it worked better with my brain. It doesn't so I won't. I think I could get there with Cubase, though. If I have to go that route in the future I could do it and be fine after an adjustment.
I'm currently editing an audio book. I just made a custom action to split at a zero-point, turn ripple editing off, paste a pre-selected bit of room tone, add a fade, adjust it to a certain amount, turn ripple editing back on, and back up to play the line so I can check the spacing between the word I just cut after and the next phrase I'll have to edit into place. All the while, Reaper is happy to convert in real-time during playback some of the files recorded at the wrong sample-rate to the correct sample rate with no speed or pitch changes. It constantly surprises me with being able to do the thing I need it to do in a way that is customizable for my workflow. That's awesome.
If I WERE going to voluntarily learn another DAW...I'd pick up Ableton and learn that thing. A lot of people are writing in there and I'd love to join in with 'em!
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Post by svart on Aug 25, 2022 9:02:16 GMT -6
I've used PT, Logic, Logic's film-centric brother SoundTrack Pro, Adobe Audition, Cubase (a little), and Studio One (even less). Reaper has been by far the best for me. I could see switching to PT permanently if it had complete Console 1 integration like Reaper. I'd trade the "industry standard-ness" of PT for some of the Reaper ability (especially since I'm starting to work with more and more tracks recorded in Nashville and those guys - three different groups of people from different studios - have so far refused to bounce tracks consolidated to zero and will instead only send the whole folder song file folder and a .ptx file) but I definitely need the Console 1 integration. It's my console away from console. PT doesn't have that integration (and probably won't ever) so I won't switch. I could see Cubase if it worked better with my brain. It doesn't so I won't. I think I could get there with Cubase, though. If I have to go that route in the future I could do it and be fine after an adjustment. I'm currently editing an audio book. I just made a custom action to split at a zero-point, turn ripple editing off, paste a pre-selected bit of room tone, add a fade, adjust it to a certain amount, turn ripple editing back on, and back up to play the line so I can check the spacing between the word I just cut after and the next phrase I'll have to edit into place. All the while, Reaper is happy to convert in real-time during playback some of the files recorded at the wrong sample-rate to the correct sample rate with no speed or pitch changes. It constantly surprises me with being able to do the thing I need it to do in a way that is customizable for my workflow. That's awesome. If I WERE going to voluntarily learn another DAW...I'd pick up Ableton and learn that thing. A lot of people are writing in there and I'd love to join in with 'em! That's how it is with PT users. I got some work and the band wanted their recording guy to send me the tracks. He sent a folder full of files. No labels, no track list, nothing. When I called and asked about all this, he replied "just open it in Pro Tools and it's all there". When I said I didn't use Pro Tools and all I needed were the consolidated files, he scoffed and said something like "oh, another person playing engineer" to someone on his end and then suggested that I "just go buy Pro Tools like the rest of us". I insisted he just consolidate the files and send those he didn't even seem to know what I was talking about. Once I explained it to him, he finally did it and sent me the files. Took about 2 minutes once he did it. It took a lot longer just to get through the "Everyone that doesn't use protools is just pretending to be an engineer" ego trip than to just consolidate the files. And people wonder why I rail against the Pro Tools ego. It's never about the software, it's about the attitude that comes with it. |
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Post by mcirish on Aug 25, 2022 9:13:07 GMT -6
I find it a little bothersome when people think that Pro Tools is the only "real" DAW. Tried it and worked in it. I found it to be very clunky and Midi was poor. My workflow would slow down drastically if I had to use it. I think the end result is the only thing that should matter. A DAW is just a tool to get the work done. "oh, another person playing engineer" Some people need to get over themselves. Those kind of people need to find a different life strategy. Arrogance doesn't work.
Having specific gear doesn't make someone good. Anyone with money can buy everything to "look" professional. Just think about how many lawyers and doctors have the nicest vintage guitars... I digress.
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Post by notneeson on Aug 25, 2022 9:43:13 GMT -6
I've used PT, Logic, Logic's film-centric brother SoundTrack Pro, Adobe Audition, Cubase (a little), and Studio One (even less). Reaper has been by far the best for me. I could see switching to PT permanently if it had complete Console 1 integration like Reaper. I'd trade the "industry standard-ness" of PT for some of the Reaper ability (especially since I'm starting to work with more and more tracks recorded in Nashville and those guys - three different groups of people from different studios - have so far refused to bounce tracks consolidated to zero and will instead only send the whole folder song file folder and a .ptx file) but I definitely need the Console 1 integration. It's my console away from console. PT doesn't have that integration (and probably won't ever) so I won't switch. I could see Cubase if it worked better with my brain. It doesn't so I won't. I think I could get there with Cubase, though. If I have to go that route in the future I could do it and be fine after an adjustment. I'm currently editing an audio book. I just made a custom action to split at a zero-point, turn ripple editing off, paste a pre-selected bit of room tone, add a fade, adjust it to a certain amount, turn ripple editing back on, and back up to play the line so I can check the spacing between the word I just cut after and the next phrase I'll have to edit into place. All the while, Reaper is happy to convert in real-time during playback some of the files recorded at the wrong sample-rate to the correct sample rate with no speed or pitch changes. It constantly surprises me with being able to do the thing I need it to do in a way that is customizable for my workflow. That's awesome. If I WERE going to voluntarily learn another DAW...I'd pick up Ableton and learn that thing. A lot of people are writing in there and I'd love to join in with 'em! That's how it is with PT users. I got some work and the band wanted their recording guy to send me the tracks. He sent a folder full of files. No labels, no track list, nothing. When I called and asked about all this, he replied "just open it in Pro Tools and it's all there". When I said I didn't use Pro Tools and all I needed were the consolidated files, he scoffed and said something like "oh, another person playing engineer" to someone on his end and then suggested that I "just go buy Pro Tools like the rest of us". I insisted he just consolidate the files and send those he didn't even seem to know what I was talking about. Once I explained it to him, he finally did it and sent me the files. Took about 2 minutes once he did it. It took a lot longer just to get through the "Everyone that doesn't use protools is just pretending to be an engineer" ego trip than to just consolidate the files. And people wonder why I rail against the Pro Tools ego. It's never about the software, it's about the attitude that comes with it. PT user here, that’s super douchey. I know several pro AEs with name credits, and while they all use PT, none of them would ever talk to someone that way. Lame. |
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Post by bgrotto on Aug 25, 2022 9:53:10 GMT -6
The only PT users who look down their noses at non-PT users are themselves phony wannabes with an insecurity complex. Not a single *actual* professional I know has that attitude about Pro Tools. In fact, most of us agree that PT is a deeply flawed piece of software published by an even more deeply flawed company, and were it not for considerable investments in time and money and expertise, we'd love to switch DAWs.
On the other hand, Reaper users are the Crossfitters and Vegans of the audio world. They cannot WAIT to tell you they use it, and then list of a reason why you should too 🤣 As a professional user who considers himself DAW-agnostic (I use PT, S1, and Logic), I gotta tell ya: this thread is dripping with irony, you guys.
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Post by drbill on Aug 25, 2022 10:37:15 GMT -6
And people wonder why I rail against the Pro Tools ego. It's never about the software, it's about the attitude that comes with it. That guy was a full on jerk. One that seemed pretty clueless as well. I suspect he'd be a jerk no matter what DAW he was using. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2022 10:59:34 GMT -6
I find it a little bothersome when people think that Pro Tools is the only "real" DAW. Tried it and worked in it. I found it to be very clunky and Midi was poor. My workflow would slow down drastically if I had to use it. I think the end result is the only thing that should matter. A DAW is just a tool to get the work done. "oh, another person playing engineer" Some people need to get over themselves. Those kind of people need to find a different life strategy. Arrogance doesn't work. It's just whatever you get used to..
I've been using Pro Tools since the TDM days. I detoured to Samplitude (which is great actually), then moved to Logic (which I didn't like) and then back to Pro Tools. In terms of audio / music they all basically do the same rubbish but there's a psychological adaption present due to experience which makes other DAW's a bit annoying IME.. Sure there are some positives and negatives too but that's a matter of learning (most of the time, pesky bugs).
The whole "pro" aspect of it is just hilarious.
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Post by svart on Aug 25, 2022 11:42:55 GMT -6
That's how it is with PT users. I got some work and the band wanted their recording guy to send me the tracks. He sent a folder full of files. No labels, no track list, nothing. When I called and asked about all this, he replied "just open it in Pro Tools and it's all there". When I said I didn't use Pro Tools and all I needed were the consolidated files, he scoffed and said something like "oh, another person playing engineer" to someone on his end and then suggested that I "just go buy Pro Tools like the rest of us". I insisted he just consolidate the files and send those he didn't even seem to know what I was talking about. Once I explained it to him, he finally did it and sent me the files. Took about 2 minutes once he did it. It took a lot longer just to get through the "Everyone that doesn't use protools is just pretending to be an engineer" ego trip than to just consolidate the files. And people wonder why I rail against the Pro Tools ego. It's never about the software, it's about the attitude that comes with it. PT user here, that’s super douchey. I know several pro AEs with name credits, and while they all use PT, none of them would ever talk to someone that way. Lame. I've known and worked with quite a few and most are pretty cool and DAW agnostic. I've had about 3 over the years that were very, very vocal about PT being THE only DAW for real engineers. Yes, it's quite egotistical, but nonetheless I've seen plenty of other examples on the internet too. In this day and age of being able to consolidate tracks with a few clicks, it really should render (no pun intended) requiring a certain DAW for "compatibility" since nobody I've worked with had the exact same sets of plugins that I do anyway. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 25, 2022 17:47:42 GMT -6
I really couldn’t give a damn what someone uses. But I’ll say it’s a lot easier when you’re using the same daw. Especially when the client is kindve a beginner.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Aug 25, 2022 17:57:49 GMT -6
On the other hand, Reaper users are the Crossfitters and Vegans of the audio world. They cannot WAIT to tell you they use it, and then list of a reason why you should too 🤣 😂😂 that's perfect. Marathon runners too... My gf uses logic and it's still foreign to me. Every time she needs help with something, I need to Google how to do it. Wish I could just switch to logic full time, but I know PT and don't want to put in the time it'll take to learn something else. |
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Post by bchurch on Aug 26, 2022 5:24:02 GMT -6
I gave Reaper the ol' college try and I have no doubt it's as capable a DAW as the competition. But when you're used to what you're used to, it just feels weird.
My DAW tale begins with ProTools in 1995 (but also having Macromedia Deck on my cheaper home computer). I used the poop outta PT and by 2002 I had a pretty sizable investment in my TDM setup - 1 Core, 3 Farms, 3 Apogee AD8000's. Then Digi dropped v6/HD and my entire setup became worth scrap metal.
I switched to Cubase SX and never looked back. That is my Reaper. I keep several copies of my personal key commands / macros on different backups (just in case). It's wholly incompatible with other Cubase users - they'd be stumbling around trying to figure out why this key does 'that thing instead'.
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Post by bgrotto on Aug 26, 2022 9:51:23 GMT -6
I gave Reaper the ol' college try and I have no doubt it's as capable a DAW as the competition. But when you're used to what you're used to, it just feels weird. My DAW tale begins with ProTools in 1995 (but also having Macromedia Deck on my cheaper home computer). I used the poop outta PT and by 2002 I had a pretty sizable investment in my TDM setup - 1 Core, 3 Farms, 3 Apogee AD8000's. Then Digi dropped v6/HD and my entire setup became worth scrap metal. I switched to Cubase SX and never looked back. That is my Reaper. I keep several copies of my personal key commands / macros on different backups (just in case). It's wholly incompatible with other Cubase users - they'd be stumbling around trying to figure out why this key does 'that thing instead'. Ha, re: key commands. I set up S1 similarly. When I first bought it, I spent like two days building an extensive key command library to as-closely-as-possible mimic my PT commands. I recall a million years ago back in the emagic daze, Logic had some 'maps' you could import to mirror other DAWs' key commands, which was rad. Of course, those were also the days that Logic played with Digi TDM...ahhhh. Memories. |
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Post by schmalzy on Aug 28, 2022 13:00:02 GMT -6
The only PT users who look down their noses at non-PT users are themselves phony wannabes with an insecurity complex. Not a single *actual* professional I know has that attitude about Pro Tools. In fact, most of us agree that PT is a deeply flawed piece of software published by an even more deeply flawed company, and were it not for considerable investments in time and money and expertise, we'd love to switch DAWs. On the other hand, Reaper users are the Crossfitters and Vegans of the audio world. They cannot WAIT to tell you they use it, and then list of a reason why you should too 🤣 As a professional user who considers himself DAW-agnostic (I use PT, S1, and Logic), I gotta tell ya: this thread is dripping with irony, you guys. You're right. In a thread called "switching from doing exclusively strength-training and Atkins eating to Crossfit Veganism" a lot of Crossfit Vegans are talking about Crossfit Veganism. |
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Post by lowlou on Aug 31, 2022 7:18:16 GMT -6
I won't lie, Reaper is a difficult software. Get ready for some hard time doing the transition. But eventually, Reaper will become a good friend once you know it well.
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Post by Omicron9 on Aug 31, 2022 11:07:58 GMT -6
The best DAW is the one that works best for you. That said, I'd been working in Logic for about three years. In the previous sentence, replace "working in" with "fighting against." Reaper felt entirely natural and like home for me within about 30 seconds. Again, refer to my first sentence in this post.  -09 |
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Post by lowlou on Aug 31, 2022 11:23:21 GMT -6
Here is the thing : it's not very beneficial to switch to Reaper if you keep a vanilla Reaper. Reaper strenght resides in its deep feature set, and most importantly, customizable core principle. If you don't want to build a daw fitting your specific use, then, other softwares in my opinion are good daw choices too.
Hence my previous message : if you're willing to learn Reaper, and make it your own, then go ahead. If you're not interested in creating custom functions, interface etc, other daws might be better suited.
It's my experience with it anyway... I've been building tons of custom actions inside Reaper (1500+), made my own theme, and only now do I begin to really appreciate it (and not fight against it so much). Actually I'm in love with it now, but it has been a shit show, I won't lie. A 2 years shit show. 3D softwares like Maya and Zbrush appear easy by comparison !
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Post by svart on Aug 31, 2022 11:31:40 GMT -6
Here is the thing : it's not very beneficial to switch to Reaper if you keep a vanilla Reaper. Reaper strenght resides in its deep feature set, and most importantly, customizable core principle. If you don't want to build a daw fitting your specific use, then, other softwares in my opinion are good daw choices too. Hence my previous message : if you're willing to learn Reaper, and make it your own, then go ahead. If you're not interested in creating custom functions, interface etc, other daws might be better suited. It's my experience with it anyway... I've been building tons of custom actions inside Reaper (1500+), made my own theme, and only now do I begin to really appreciate it (and not fight against it so much). Actually I'm in love with it now, but it has been a shit show, I won't lie. A 2 years shit show. 3D softwares like Maya and Zbrush appear easy by comparison ! Interesting take. I've been using Reaper since the beta back in 2005 or so and I only use it vanilla (but with classic 1.0 theme). They've changed some actions since the beginning, notably the way the cursor snaps to bars, so I disable that, but otherwise I don't see why I'd change anything else. I've learned the usual keystroke combos so in conjunction with my scroll ring on the trackball, I can do most anything with keyboard modifier keys on my left hand and the scroll ring and a couple buttons + trackball on my right. |
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Post by christopher on Aug 31, 2022 12:02:32 GMT -6
Anyone who wants to learn reaper.. here is the huge shortcut list. drive.google.com/file/d/1eVrSoxElC1H_oi0_MZDIT3JL7sRoCCMt/view?usp=drivesdkI highlighted the 30 or so shortcuts I use constantly. 10+ are just standard shortcuts, so it’s not that hard to learn. I’d recommend to learn the highlighted ones ASAP and it will be a lot more fun. Also notice a lot of the other shortcuts for ideas on what Reaper can do. This doc says it’s from 2008, afaik it still works. Mac is a little different but close to same. |
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Post by christopher on Aug 31, 2022 12:19:04 GMT -6
The other things to learn or watch a YouTube:
- routing matrix… handy when you have lots of IO
- multiple sessions in Tabs… I’ll usually have 3-5 projects open, switch between tabs just like a browser. A lot of times it’s easier to copy tracks over to a new session, edit them.. fly them back. Also references in a separate session is nice.
- regions and CD burning
- parent/child folder tracks
- routing menu and how to send stuff, how to bypass send to master, send to sidechain input etc
- input monitoring and effects chains
- lanes: how to explode or implode them from multiple tracks
Other stuff I use a lot:
- draw a patch cable to route tracks to each other. click and drag on the io area of the track. Combined with folders I do complex routing and side chains very quickly this way.
- double click on a blank area to create new tracks
- middle mousewheel zooms in and out, very easy to use
I add a few custom menu buttons: unsolo all, un-mute all
Right click metronome, change primary/secondary tones to anything between 200hz-1600hz, duration 30ms.. change pattern to ABBB
Oh yeah.. I always remove the mixer from the docker right away. And when I open it I right click and deselect “arrange in rows when space permits” .. that feature is more confusing than helpful
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Post by schmalzy on Sept 1, 2022 20:43:08 GMT -6
I don't know if I set up this pair of shortcuts or not but try these: Cmd+click Solo Button unsolos all Cmd+Click Mute Button unmutes All Not specifically for you on these, Christopher, but I figured these might be worth sharing with everyone. Other important ones I've added and forgotten wasn't there in the first place: Alt+p toggles preroll on/off Ctl+[any number 0-6 and also A, N, Q, C] loads an insert/insert chain. For example: I often use the stock EQ. I have it on Ctl+Q to save me from having to go into a menu. I have a specific channel strip - my custom Console 1 channel strips plus a specific other plugin or two set up for each of the Ctl+number H hides the selected envelope fn+Ctl+v Toggles the pre-fx volume envelope visibility. I use that a lot when I'm triggering drums or having to insert more dynamics into the front of a plugin chain than the source audio gave me. Shortcuts to go to individual markers #1-20 Created two custom screensets: One defaults to the mixer docked and filling the edit/timeline window and with only one row of faders. Toggling the mixer (Cmd+M) reveals the edit window/timeline. The other screenset defaults to just the edit window with no mixer visible. Toggling the mixer to be visible reveals the selected track as a channel strip on the left side of the window (kind of like how Cubase has all the track details/inserts/faders to the left of the edit/timeline window). |
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Post by Omicron9 on Sept 2, 2022 10:12:15 GMT -6
Here is the thing : it's not very beneficial to switch to Reaper if you keep a vanilla Reaper. Reaper strenght resides in its deep feature set, and most importantly, customizable core principle. If you don't want to build a daw fitting your specific use, then, other softwares in my opinion are good daw choices too. Hence my previous message : if you're willing to learn Reaper, and make it your own, then go ahead. If you're not interested in creating custom functions, interface etc, other daws might be better suited. It's my experience with it anyway... I've been building tons of custom actions inside Reaper (1500+), made my own theme, and only now do I begin to really appreciate it (and not fight against it so much). Actually I'm in love with it now, but it has been a shit show, I won't lie. A 2 years shit show. 3D softwares like Maya and Zbrush appear easy by comparison ! Just my experience here..... I use Reaper pretty much exactly in the "vanilla" version. The only tweak I've made is that I use a different theme that shows the VU metering in green/yellow/red when tracking instead of Reaper's all-red-when-tracking-metering which I just don't understand. That's the only change I've made, and I love it. Disclaimer: I don't do any mixing here; it's all tracking-only, so I'm essentially using Reaper like a big multitrack recorder. -09 |
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