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Post by thehightenor on Aug 14, 2022 2:49:30 GMT -6
Hi guys,
I'm just having a plugin sort through.
I've got Slates VTC/VBC and VCC 2.0 but they're not yet installed after I moved to Windows 10 from Windows 7.
I now have Softube Console 1 and Tape and I'm thinking of getting either UAD or IK tapes collections and I've moved to hardware compressors on my mix and drum buses.
Does anyone still rate and use these older Slate plugins, I've made lot's of productions with them over the years, but as with all software times move on and modelling get's better?
Thanks for your thoughts and experiences.
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Post by crillemannen on Aug 14, 2022 4:48:22 GMT -6
They work ok on some sources but they really hurt more then they do good. I can recall when they came out and everyone started having mushy oversaturated mixes that we all thought had "vibe" and sounded analogue haha.. Took a few years for me to realize that everything sounded better when VCC was bypassed đ
There are allot better plugins today. I tend to use multiband saturation plugins today because I don't want to saturate the bass and lowmids. For console emulations I really enjoyed the Softube console 1 plugins when I owned the HW.
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Post by thehightenor on Aug 14, 2022 5:02:28 GMT -6
They work ok on some sources but they really hurt more then they do good. I can recall when they came out and everyone started having mushy oversaturated mixes that we all thought had "vibe" and sounded analogue haha.. Took a few years for me to realize that everything sounded better when VCC was bypassed đ There are allot better plugins today. I tend to use multiband saturation plugins today because I don't want to saturate the bass and lowmids. For console emulations I really enjoyed the Softube console 1 plugins when I owned the HW. I think that just about sums up my thoughts on the VCC. Though I think the VTC tape plugin isn't too bad but I feel the IK Tape Collection has better more advanced modelling. VBC is ok too but now I have hardware comps it's considerably less useful.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2022 11:07:50 GMT -6
Tape: Slate VCC and VTM are good and can sound great on the right mix but it sounds plastic to terrible for metal when pushed. Warm mush when hit hot. Unfortunate most Slate Metal is mushy and has ice picky transients. This can sound really good on softer material that Slate is not really marketed to.
U-he Satin is still the king. I love it. The high frequency saturation is nice on the vintage tape and the emulation of bias tone a there. Pick a preset and get to work. Turn down the noise if you must. Do not adjust the meter control. It does not change the distortion, only the meter. Gainstage appropriately.
Chow Tape is a great lofi tape deck. It models a Sony TC-260. Youâll have to configure it to not sound bad.
UAD tape can be cool but It sounds more like a distortion effect. Same with the Crane Song Phoenix, Flywheel, Softube Tape, Goodhertz Tupe tape portion (I love how smooth and easy it is to set though. No stupid spinning wheels gui), and Kramer Tape does some cool things but just sounds like a Waves plugin ugh. A lot of the other ones can sound really cool.
IK is the new hype but it is just fir convolution mixed with a heavy distortion effect and some crazy fluttery tape transport emulation. The transients on the IK Tape plugs are really bad.
Fuse TCS-68 kills IK Tascam portastudio imo but the ik is more of a pure shitbox and it ruins your drums with the IK convolution pre-ringing thatâs like MP3 ghosting bad. The Fuse has to be stacked up to realize the âlo-fiâ shit in a cool way effect.
Console: Most console emulations are just soft clipper into a hard clipper. Gross. Thatâs not really how analog gear with lots of non-linearities and each amplification stage having itâs own distortion, hysteresis from transformers, etc. most hard clipping in gear is the power supply running out of current. Voltage might allow overshoots but also might clip in a weird way thatâs not a brick wall or have crazy oscillations. How many plugs sound like power sag? Or how horrible analog clipping cheap gear can sound? Thatâs not how good gear really works. Most good high headroom gear will overload your typical wimpy âgood analog to digital converterâ when pushed.
Some that arenât are VCC, some UAD (Helios!) , Klanghelm SDDR2 Desk, Softube British class a (I hate the American class A), Goodherz Tupe, Variety of Sound, Fuse TCS-68, the PSP Infinistrip pres, etc. I hate the Lindells and the bx_consoles. The Focusrite is the coolest one but the top end clarity of old Focusrite gear is totally gone. It sounds more like some warm lofi. Also the SSL Native channel strips are pretty much the same dsp as the ancient duende plugs which were based off their old digital consoles.
Hereâs another one that is total trash: McDSP analog channel. Incredibly gross imd, aliasing, and it produces buildup near DC. Nasty. And you have to set attack and release. Wut? Maybe this was cool in like 2005 but now? No way.
Bus compression: ITB mostly sucks for this. Almost all plugin compressors have to have slow attack so lots of gross unnecessary overshoots and the multi stage releases pretty much donât work right on most plugs meaning you canât dig in.
VBC had cool distortion but the compression part sucks.
I can recommend The Glue with 8-16x oversampling, Presswerk bus view hq on, Molot GE set to not be a pumpy piece of shit on Insane, Faraday Limiter, Kotelnikov digging in (you canât hit this like a wuss for 1-db off. you need the rms path and the peak path to be active), MJUC, PSP Oldtimer with the distortion turned down, DDMF Magic Death Eye Stereo (they updated it to not have insane phase shift in the midrange) and Iâve even gotten Oxford Dynamics to work okay if you use it as a soft knee thing into the limiter but it is some old digital bleh that doesnât hug the material well (why you need to use the limiter to get something multi stage with the compressor soft knee and slow and the limiter faster. Oxford Dynamics will only choose one and never feed the compressor into the limiter!) and operates on the pcm samples.
Dan
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Post by drbill on Aug 14, 2022 12:23:14 GMT -6
Does anyone still rate and use these older Slate plugins. No.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2022 12:34:36 GMT -6
also Slate is really cpu heavy and ram for some reason, load the full rack, and doesnât really sound better than lighter weight plugins like Infinistrip and Softube Console 1 strips and doesnât have the magic of heavyweight cpu hitters like U-he, Goodhertz, and Pulsar. Slate was just hype a decade ago but I still remember I could run tons and tons of Variety of Sound plugs that really didnât sound any worse and would freeze Satin and heavy fx sends because they sounded so good.
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 14, 2022 12:49:51 GMT -6
I strap that VCC Neve across every mix I do. Donât push real hard. Feel like it gives a little bit bigger bottom.
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Post by copperx on Aug 14, 2022 14:46:53 GMT -6
What does rate mean in this context? I've heard that phrase many times and I don't understand it. If I rate a plugin, does it mean that I use it?
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Post by thehightenor on Aug 14, 2022 15:27:22 GMT -6
What does rate mean in this context? I've heard that phrase many times and I don't understand it. If I rate a plugin, does it mean that I use it? From the online dictionary rate a measure, quantity, or frequency, typically one measured against another quantity or measure.
I guess it's just another way of saying does it still "measure up" against the competition. Hope that helps :-)
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Post by thehightenor on Aug 14, 2022 15:29:19 GMT -6
Does anyone still rate and use these older Slate plugins. No. Hey Doc, perhaps you could try to be more sesquipedalian
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Post by drbill on Aug 14, 2022 15:42:43 GMT -6
Hey Doc, perhaps you could try to be more sesquipedalian Haha!! I had to look that up. I figured, short, sweet & to the point. IMO, we were sold a bill of goods (if that translates) on the VCC stuff. I recently had to open up some old sessions that had VCC instantiated on them. Brought back the memories.... PS - bill of goods : in the first half of the 1900s, bill of goods earned a negative connotation. This is because of the situation in which person A would show person B a bill of goods, and person B would pay for those items based on the list, rather than waiting and seeing the actual materials themselves. If person A lied, and the bill of goods was inaccurate, person B would be scammed.
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 14, 2022 17:45:57 GMT -6
Is that on the gender spectrum?
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Post by thehightenor on Aug 15, 2022 0:23:03 GMT -6
Hey Doc, perhaps you could try to be more sesquipedalian Haha!!  I had to look that up.   I figured, short, sweet & to the point.   IMO, we were sold a bill of goods (if that translates) on the VCC stuff.  I recently had to open up some old sessions that had VCC instantiated on them.  Brought back the memories....  PS - bill of goods : in the first half of the 1900s, bill of goods earned a negative connotation. This is because of the situation in which person A would show person B a bill of goods, and person B would pay for those items based on the list, rather than waiting and seeing the actual materials themselves. If person A lied, and the bill of goods was inaccurate, person B would be scammed.As opposed to the Silver Bullet âŚ. Which is a âdrbill of goodnessâ Oh no, Iâve read too many posts by Chris âŚ. I think I just spontaneously punned against my will - help
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Post by RealNoob on Aug 18, 2022 19:16:52 GMT -6
I still use VTM once on the master. I like what it does. I have but haven't used VBC in a while - I wish their was a GREAT emu of the Red 3. I have VCC but most times think I get enough mojo from either PA AMEK 9099 or EL Big Freq/Arouser (love this combo as a channel strip).
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Post by tkaitkai on Aug 18, 2022 22:27:11 GMT -6
Huge fan of RC Tube on the stereo bus. My iLok kicked the bucket a while back, so I havenât used it in months, but I do miss the coloration it added. Very unique and hard to match ITB.
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Post by seawell on Aug 18, 2022 22:56:12 GMT -6
RC tube + cranking the drive(sometimes all the way up) can really help tame a harsh vocal.
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Post by thehightenor on Aug 19, 2022 5:25:42 GMT -6
I reinstalled all my Slate plug-ins and they still mostly sound pretty good to me.
I need to compare VCC 2.0 to Console 1.
I like to use a virtual desk when I mix I think it adds a nice glue and thickness and compliments the hardware I have on my mix bus.
Iâd prefer a real desk, but itâs not realistic at the moment from a space and cost point of view.
VTM still sounds very good actually.
VBC is probably the Slate plugin that disappoints the most, itâs a bit too ordinary and very âpluginâ sounding.
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