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Post by ab101 on Aug 7, 2022 17:48:21 GMT -6
So, I normally assemble my own computers for studio use. I am realizing that I have not done a motherboard/CPU upgrade since 2016. And now there are more powerful processors. However, my computer is working just fine and I have a ton on it in terms of programs, plugins, soft synths, etc. (The last time I upgraded my CPU/motherboard - I just reloaded everything because I had less of everything.  So replacing the CPU and Motherboard seems like a royal pain, unless there is some way to very easily transfer things to a new SSD and have all those programs, plugins and soft synths work just fine. Some use dongles, so I am not worried about those. I am using Windows 10 at this point. Any ideas on the best way to do this or may be that I should not even touch it until something really does not work? Thanks in advance. |
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Post by ericn on Aug 7, 2022 18:54:22 GMT -6
Rule number 1 of audio never knock what works!
So unless you have a need or issues why bother?
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Post by svart on Aug 7, 2022 19:30:35 GMT -6
Not really any good way to do what you're wanting. Technically you can clone your SSD then put it in your new computer but Windows will probably balk about authentication because the mac address is different on the motherboard.
It's possible it'll all work just fine this way. It's also possible it doesn't work at all.
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Post by ab101 on Aug 7, 2022 21:09:17 GMT -6
Thanks kind people. Based on the responses so far, it seems that the wise thing might be for me to build a computer next to my current one, get the new one working properly, and then use the new one. But I might wait a little longer. It turns out that the CPUs of 6 years ago are still darn goof.
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Post by BenjaminAshlin on Aug 7, 2022 21:15:39 GMT -6
I normally just move the SSD from one computer to another. Reinstall mobo drivers and reauthorize (if required). Have done 2 mobo & CPU upgrades like that in the last few years.
(Windows default drivers are pretty good nowadays so you shouldn't get stuck not being able to boot into windows or anything like that.)
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Post by ab101 on Aug 7, 2022 22:27:23 GMT -6
I normally just move the SSD from one computer to another. Reinstall mobo drivers and reauthorize (if required). Have done 2 mobo & CPU upgrades like that in the last few years. (Windows default drivers are pretty good nowadays so you shouldn't get stuck not being able to boot into windows or anything like that.) What about all the plugins and soft synths (sample library programs)? Do they just work on the new SSD? (I am referring to the ones that have certain codes, not dongles). |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2022 23:02:16 GMT -6
I would hold off and see if Intel reduces the heat of Raptor Lake and how fast the Apple M2 chips get. The biggest issue with Alder Lake is cooling it quietly. Ryzen has historically had issues with reliability at lower latencies.
An M2 Mac Mini could be a superb buy too.
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Post by ab101 on Aug 7, 2022 23:09:40 GMT -6
I would hold off and see if Intel reduces the heat of Raptor Lake and how fast the Apple M2 chips get. The biggest issue with Alder Lake is cooling it quietly. Ryzen has historically had issues with reliability at lower latencies. An M2 Mac Mini could be a superb buy too. Thanks Dan. I would have gone with Alder Lake but now I will wait! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2022 23:47:07 GMT -6
I would hold off and see if Intel reduces the heat of Raptor Lake and how fast the Apple M2 chips get. The biggest issue with Alder Lake is cooling it quietly. Ryzen has historically had issues with reliability at lower latencies. An M2 Mac Mini could be a superb buy too. Thanks Dan. I would have gone with Alder Lake but now I will wait! PM sent. It's not a big deal if you have a quiet, workable AIO cooler. But yeah a Mac Mini with apple care is just easier even if the RAM is limiting. |
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Post by Blackdawg on Aug 8, 2022 4:12:55 GMT -6
I'd wait for the AMD 7000 CPUs. I have had no issue with my ryzen. It's been a beast. And the new ones coming this fall are going to be very powerful work horses.
M2 isn't going to be worth it untill it's in a chassis that can cool it. Even then fan noise might be an issue. To me the m2 isn't a big enough gain in the grand picture from m1 to make it worth it.
And you can just move your hard drives over. All of them. They will work just like they do now. Might just have to point apps in the right direction. Or the easiest way is any data drives with library content just write down what your system names them (D:/ or H:/ or whatever) then just manually change them to the right name. Everything should run as it was. Assuming the new hardware doesn't itself have drive issues.
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Post by svart on Aug 8, 2022 8:09:48 GMT -6
I would hold off and see if Intel reduces the heat of Raptor Lake and how fast the Apple M2 chips get. The biggest issue with Alder Lake is cooling it quietly. Ryzen has historically had issues with reliability at lower latencies. An M2 Mac Mini could be a superb buy too. You mac guys are always complaining when PC guys come into one of your million mac threads talking about PC, so why do you think it's cool to come into one of the 2 or 3 PC threads and try to sell macs? I have a 12700K and it's been fine. Runs about 70W. A big air cooler is barely audible. |
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Post by ericn on Aug 8, 2022 8:50:23 GMT -6
I would hold off and see if Intel reduces the heat of Raptor Lake and how fast the Apple M2 chips get. The biggest issue with Alder Lake is cooling it quietly. Ryzen has historically had issues with reliability at lower latencies. An M2 Mac Mini could be a superb buy too. Fuck apple. You mac guys are always complaining when PC guys come into one of your million mac threads talking about PC, so why do you think it's cool to come into one of the 2 or 3 PC threads and try to sell macs? I have a 12700K and it's been fine. Runs about 70W. A big air cooler is barely audible. Hey now as a Mac guy I’m building a PC based Soundgrid server for live and a raspberry pi for CNC control ( Im not stupid enough to put a Mac or even a Toucghbook next to a dust monster). Yeah I bought a referb Toughbook for Ethersound duty live. |
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Post by Omicron9 on Aug 8, 2022 9:56:25 GMT -6
Rule number 1 of audio never knock what works! So unless you have a need or issues why bother? I'll concur with ericn. If it ain't broke.... I've built all my own systems since the late '90s. There are times where it's not possible to upgrade only the mobo/CPU. It's possible that a new mobo won't be compatible with your older RAM. Same for power supplies. You'll also want to be sure the new mobo will fit into your old case. I've also seen things like older case fans that won't work on newer mobos due to fan header types changing on the mobo, et al. It can be kind of a slippery slope, and the next thing you know your mobo/CPU upgrade has morphed into an entirely new system build. Just a thought from someone who's been there. -09 |
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Post by ab101 on Aug 8, 2022 9:56:58 GMT -6
I would hold off and see if Intel reduces the heat of Raptor Lake and how fast the Apple M2 chips get. The biggest issue with Alder Lake is cooling it quietly. Ryzen has historically had issues with reliability at lower latencies. An M2 Mac Mini could be a superb buy too. You mac guys are always complaining when PC guys come into one of your million mac threads talking about PC, so why do you think it's cool to come into one of the 2 or 3 PC threads and try to sell macs? I have a 12700K and it's been fine. Runs about 70W. A big air cooler is barely audible. The 12700K was exactly the CPU I had in mind. www.newegg.com/intel-core-i7-12700k-core-i7-12th-gen/p/N82E16819118343?Description=12700k&cm_re=12700k-_-19-118-343-_-Product&quicklink=true |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2022 11:15:13 GMT -6
I would hold off and see if Intel reduces the heat of Raptor Lake and how fast the Apple M2 chips get. The biggest issue with Alder Lake is cooling it quietly. Ryzen has historically had issues with reliability at lower latencies. An M2 Mac Mini could be a superb buy too. You mac guys are always complaining when PC guys come into one of your million mac threads talking about PC, so why do you think it's cool to come into one of the 2 or 3 PC threads and try to sell macs? I have a 12700K and it's been fine. Runs about 70W. A big air cooler is barely audible. I’m not a Mac guy. I use a 12900k based pc. The Mac mini is just an easier No think solution. |
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Post by svart on Aug 8, 2022 11:28:50 GMT -6
I don't use the 12700K for recording, I use an I7-9900K for that currently. The 12700K is my gaming and video editing computer, which requires much, much more processing power than the recording computer! A decent sized case with larger fans will be quieter than a small case with small fans since as you might imagine, smaller fans need to turn faster to move the same amount of air. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2022 14:10:35 GMT -6
Also avoiding ilok plugs literally saves cpu usage and ram because it’s not constantly making usb calls
I want to go ilok free but I’m addicted to psp emt 2445, psp e27, psp masterq2, and relab sonsig and some of the Eventide plugs are super cool 😎
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Post by 80hz on Aug 10, 2022 22:28:34 GMT -6
Also been watching recent Intel announcements as I have been curious about where pc's are at in terms of horsepower since my i9 9900k build. While the upcoming Raptor Lake looks like a good deal more power, its going to have issues with heat as others have said but could be the better upgrade than an older generation CPU. I wouldn't bother with an upgrade unless you're gong to see a 40-50% improvement in CPU performance. And as you mentioned, if your current rig is working reliably, I would spend the time right now and in the coming months/years organizing the machine to be as easily upgradeable as possible.
In my machine I have all sample libraries, VST libraries like Superior Drummer, Omnisphere etc all stored on separate internal SSDs. So when I upgrade, I have to re-install plugins etc sure but all I have to do is point them to their respective libraries which are intact and untouched on the separate SSDs.
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Post by ab101 on Aug 10, 2022 22:57:44 GMT -6
Also been watching recent Intel announcements as I have been curious about where pc's are at in terms of horsepower since my i9 9900k build. While the upcoming Raptor Lake looks like a good deal more power, its going to have issues with heat as others have said but could be the better upgrade than an older generation CPU. I wouldn't bother with an upgrade unless you're gong to see a 40-50% improvement in CPU performance. And as you mentioned, if your current rig is working reliably, I would spend the time right now and in the coming months/years organizing the machine to be as easily upgradeable as possible. In my machine I have all sample libraries, VST libraries like Superior Drummer, Omnisphere etc all stored on separate internal SSDs. So when I upgrade, I have to re-install plugins etc sure but all I have to do is point them to their respective libraries which are intact and untouched on the separate SSDs. Yes. I do have my sample libraries on separate SSDs. Sometimes I do have several sample libraries on the same SSD and that has not been a problem yet. It does seem that the newer motherboards have the faster SSD slots built in. (NVME or something like that.) So I am hoping to update the CPU, but also having all those extra NVME slots. I also saw a video on youtube where lowering voltages for these recent intel cpus can actually help the performance, at least thermal-wise. It would be really helpful to know what the lower voltage recommendation is for a particular cpu. Thanks! |
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Post by svart on Aug 11, 2022 7:48:57 GMT -6
Also been watching recent Intel announcements as I have been curious about where pc's are at in terms of horsepower since my i9 9900k build. While the upcoming Raptor Lake looks like a good deal more power, its going to have issues with heat as others have said but could be the better upgrade than an older generation CPU. I wouldn't bother with an upgrade unless you're gong to see a 40-50% improvement in CPU performance. And as you mentioned, if your current rig is working reliably, I would spend the time right now and in the coming months/years organizing the machine to be as easily upgradeable as possible. In my machine I have all sample libraries, VST libraries like Superior Drummer, Omnisphere etc all stored on separate internal SSDs. So when I upgrade, I have to re-install plugins etc sure but all I have to do is point them to their respective libraries which are intact and untouched on the separate SSDs. Yes. I do have my sample libraries on separate SSDS. Sometimes I do have several sample libraries on the same SSD and that has not been a problem yet. It does seem that the newer motherboards have the faster SSD slots built in. (NVME or something like that.) So I am hoping to update the CPU, but also having all those extra NVME slots. I also saw a video on youtube where lowering voltages for these recent intel cpus can actually help the performance, at least thermal-wise. It would be really helpful to know what the lower voltage recommendation is for a particular cpu. Thanks! The newer intel CPU systems will throttle their own voltages, and if you're using windows 11 (free upgrade from 10 for most folks) it'll use the E (efficiency) cores properly as well. Coming from an i7-7700k to a i7-12700k, the 12700k only uses about 50w more power at full tilt, so while the percentage increase is substantial, I don't really notice in practice. I went from a 150W GPU to a 300W GPU card, so I notice that a lot more! If you're going to the 12700K, make sure you get a DDR5 rated motherboard as well so you can upgrade either now, or in the future. The on-board NVME drive slots are great. I'm getting about 5 second boot times to the windows logon screen. |
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Post by ab101 on Oct 10, 2022 22:33:09 GMT -6
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Post by svart on Oct 11, 2022 8:07:05 GMT -6
CUDA still beats CPU rendering by a longshot. Still best to get a new RTX4xxx card and render through it. |
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Post by Blackdawg on Oct 11, 2022 9:01:52 GMT -6
CUDA still beats CPU rendering by a longshot. Still best to get a new RTX4xxx card and render through it. minus the freaking cost factor. Ridiculous. |
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Post by svart on Oct 11, 2022 9:24:16 GMT -6
CUDA still beats CPU rendering by a longshot. Still best to get a new RTX4xxx card and render through it. minus the freaking cost factor. Ridiculous. Not sure what you meant. Anyway, a 700$ CPU vs. a 1500$ GPU that can render 100x faster.. My 5GHz CPU would take about 5-15 minutes to render a complicated 5 minute video. The RTX2080 I used to have would be about a minute or less. If you need the speed, GPU is the way to go. If you're just doing short videos for yourself, I suppose it's not a big deal to let it render while you're doing something else. |
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Post by Blackdawg on Oct 11, 2022 9:30:09 GMT -6
minus the freaking cost factor. Ridiculous. Not sure what you meant. Anyway, a 700$ CPU vs. a 1500$ GPU that can render 100x faster.. My 5GHz CPU would take about 5-15 minutes to render a complicated 5 minute video. The RTX2080 I used to have would be about a minute or less. If you need the speed, GPU is the way to go. If you're just doing short videos for yourself, I suppose it's not a big deal to let it render while you're doing something else. not arguing that. Most complaining about the new 4000 series cost |
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