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Post by seawell on Jul 18, 2022 20:46:30 GMT -6
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Post by tasteliketape on Jul 18, 2022 22:32:37 GMT -6
Another great one! Nice man
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Post by mike on Jul 19, 2022 4:47:55 GMT -6
Thank you Josh!.... I'll be downloading the files and going through them today . Comparing these two has been a question in my mind for some time, so many thanks for sharing this one, another great shootout video!!
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Post by mike on Jul 19, 2022 8:56:43 GMT -6
Thanks again for this comparison video Josh, I really appreciate it and cool song/mix!
I may be the only one who hears it this way, but my impression is the AML holds up well for the price overall and the bandwidth control sounds a little broader on the AML at the same settings of 0 on both units, while I find the Pulse to be a little tighter overall with a little more fine clarity.
I really appreciate being able to download the files with the full song and listened to them a variety of ways through QuickTime on different headphones and then pulled them into a DAW using Sonarworks. And while I could hear my same descriptions above in all of them, it wasn’t surprising how those differences seemed smaller or larger depending on the monitoring.
It was great to hear what both units sounded like at the same knob settings. How much closer do you think you could've come to matching the AML to the Pulse sonics if you were adjusting by ear (and probably boosting the AML highs slightly and sharpening the bandwidth a little to match the Pulse) ?
Thanks!
Mike
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Post by drbill on Jul 19, 2022 10:27:24 GMT -6
Thanks again for this comparison video Josh, I really appreciate it and cool song/mix! I may be the only one who hears it this way, but my impression is the AML holds up well for the price overall and the bandwidth control sounds a little broader on the AML at the same settings of 0 on both units, while I find the Pulse to be a little tighter overall with a little more fine clarity. I really appreciate being able to download the files with the full song and listened to them a variety of ways through QuickTime on different headphones and then pulled them into a DAW using Sonarworks. And while I could hear my same descriptions above in all of them, it wasn’t surprising how those differences seemed smaller or larger depending on the monitoring. It was great to hear what both units sounded like at the same knob settings. How much closer do you think you could've come to matching the AML to the Pulse sonics if you were adjusting by ear (and probably boosting the AML highs slightly and sharpening the bandwidth a little to match the Pulse) ? Thanks! Mike I agree with your analysis Mike. I kinda like the AML mix better. For lack of better terms, it kind of sounds more relaxed and open (maybe bigger?) to me. At any rate, that's just a quick shoot from the hip comment. Just listened to the video. Personally, I'm not a HUGE EQP fan, but they certainly can be useful. They are not my desert island EQ's though. I'm pretty sure you could get them a little closer together if you had all in one room, and adjusted to ear as opposed to front panel frequency. Josh - thanks again. Another great one. Cheers, bp |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 19, 2022 10:40:20 GMT -6
After having had a bunch of tracks mastered lately, I've gotten a little bit used to the sound before and after and mix with mastering in mind.
At first, the AML is more fun, bigger and better. The Pultec starts out thinner and weaker, but after listening, the Pultec sounds more balanced and pro to me. A little gain from mastering and I'd bet the Pultec pulls ahead in the race.
That said, I'd be thrilled to own the AML myself, it sounds good.
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Post by seawell on Jul 19, 2022 11:27:13 GMT -6
Thanks for checking it out guys! Just to clarify one thing about the settings. The EQs weren't matched by knob settings, they were calibrated with test tones/VUMT. First, to make sure overall volume was the same. Second, to make sure they were both boosting exactly 1.5db at 60Hz and then exactly 2.1dB at 3kHz. If you looked at the knobs visually, in general this was a little below the 1 position on the low boost and around "3" on the high boost. Each unit was a little different from one another(particularly the Pulse) so I definitely couldn't just set them visually and end up with the same result.
So, they both had the exact same starting point, any differences from there would have to be how they handle transients, how wide the curve is at 0 bandwidth, etc. The funny thing for me is through all of this I've realized I want to pursue something cleaner like maybe the EQH-2(I really like this one the best in the Acustica Purple plugin).
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Post by drbill on Jul 19, 2022 11:31:12 GMT -6
Thanks for checking it out guys! Just to clarify one thing about the settings. The EQs weren't matched by knob settings, they were calibrated with test tones/VUMT. First, to make sure overall volume was the same. Second, to make sure they were both boosting exactly 1.5db at 60Hz and then exactly 2.1dB at 3kHz. If you looked at the knobs visually, in general this was a little below the 1 position on the low boost and around "3" on the high boost. Each unit was a little different from one another(particularly the Pulse) so I definitely couldn't just set them visually and end up with the same result. So, they both had the exact same starting point, any differences from there would have to be how they handle transients, how wide the curve is at 0 bandwidth, etc. The funny thing for me is through all of this I've realized I want to pursue something cleaner like maybe the EQH-2(I really like this one the best in the Acustica Purple plugin). Ahhh, cool Josh. Well done. Thanks for the clarification. <thumbsup> |
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Post by seawell on Jul 19, 2022 11:40:47 GMT -6
Thanks for checking it out guys! Just to clarify one thing about the settings. The EQs weren't matched by knob settings, they were calibrated with test tones/VUMT. First, to make sure overall volume was the same. Second, to make sure they were both boosting exactly 1.5db at 60Hz and then exactly 2.1dB at 3kHz. If you looked at the knobs visually, in general this was a little below the 1 position on the low boost and around "3" on the high boost. Each unit was a little different from one another(particularly the Pulse) so I definitely couldn't just set them visually and end up with the same result. So, they both had the exact same starting point, any differences from there would have to be how they handle transients, how wide the curve is at 0 bandwidth, etc. The funny thing for me is through all of this I've realized I want to pursue something cleaner like maybe the EQH-2(I really like this one the best in the Acustica Purple plugin). Ahhh, cool Josh. Well done. Thanks for the clarification. <thumbsup> Thanks Bill! I also should've mentioned, since the curves do sound slightly different I bet you could further match them by ear for sure. Overall, I expected there to be a much larger difference since there is such a large price gap. This test was pretty surprising for me. |
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Post by drbill on Jul 19, 2022 11:44:24 GMT -6
Ahhh, cool Josh. Well done. Thanks for the clarification. <thumbsup> Thanks Bill! I also should've mentioned, since the curves do sound slightly different I bet you could further match them by ear for sure. Overall, I expected there to be a much larger difference since there is such a large price gap. This test was pretty surprising for me. Cool. Thx. Did you have the raw track with no EQ? Did I miss that? |
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Post by seawell on Jul 19, 2022 11:47:35 GMT -6
Thanks Bill! I also should've mentioned, since the curves do sound slightly different I bet you could further match them by ear for sure. Overall, I expected there to be a much larger difference since there is such a large price gap. This test was pretty surprising for me. Cool. Thx. Did you have the raw track with no EQ? Did I miss that? It wasn't in the video but I'll add that to the dropbox folder at some point! Great idea Bill 👍🏼 |
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Post by robschnapf on Jul 19, 2022 13:17:50 GMT -6
Pultec are never my go to if I’m gonna eq the stereo buss.
But I do love EQP1As.
Love em on Bass and vocal and acoustic instruments and kick and snare and……..
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Post by seawell on Jul 19, 2022 13:35:05 GMT -6
Pultec are never my got to if I’m gonna eq the stereo buss. But I do love EQP1As. Love em on Bass and vocal and acoustic instruments and kick and snare and…….. I’m finding that my opinion is moving in that direction as well. For you guys that didn’t quite connect with Pultecs on the 2 Buss, what did you end up with instead? Thanks 👊🏼 |
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Post by ji43 on Jul 19, 2022 14:07:32 GMT -6
Pultec are never my got to if I’m gonna eq the stereo buss. But I do love EQP1As. Love em on Bass and vocal and acoustic instruments and kick and snare and…….. Curious to hear why you don't like the Pultecs on the stereo bus. I have a pair of EQM-1S3s as well as a Chandler Curve Bender, and am leaning towards the Curve Bender on stereo bus, and the Pultecs on Bass and Vocal...though since I do more acoustic style music in general, the Pultecs have sounded great on the stereo bus. Perhaps if I was doing more production with lots of low end, it wouldn't be as good of a choice, but for organic, acoustic/semi-electric music, they sound amazing. |
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Post by drbill on Jul 19, 2022 14:20:43 GMT -6
Pultec are never my got to if I’m gonna eq the stereo buss. But I do love EQP1As. Love em on Bass and vocal and acoustic instruments and kick and snare and…….. I’m finding that my opinion is moving in that direction as well. For you guys that didn’t quite connect with Pultecs on the 2 Buss, what did you end up with instead? Thanks 👊🏼 I fall in that category. Never use Pultec's on the 2Buss. I'm using Miad LCPQ4040's or Avalon 2055's. |
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Post by sean on Jul 19, 2022 14:46:13 GMT -6
I love the Avalon 2055 on mix buss as well. The Maag can also be useful for me, I really want to pick up the High Voltage Audio inspired version, seems like a great deal.
I really liked my AML's when I had them, and like them over the Pultec's in this example as well.
You could use a plugin like Q-Clone to "see" the difference in the curves and matched the more closely.
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Post by bradd on Jul 19, 2022 16:04:29 GMT -6
It looks like the AMLs haven't been available for a few years. Hopefully, he will start making them again.
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Post by seawell on Jul 19, 2022 16:11:59 GMT -6
Further confirming I should've never sold my AD2055 🤦🏻♂️. Oh well, I tend to have to go around the block a few times like this before I decide on what I really like the best.
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Post by drbill on Jul 19, 2022 17:07:57 GMT -6
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Post by ericn on Jul 19, 2022 17:53:14 GMT -6
LOL. A good scoring engineer buddy of mine liked them for his mix bus too. Problem for him was - he was always mixing in 7.1. So he needed 4 of em for the mix buss. I bought 4 channels recently when he retired...  . One smile for every channel!! This one of the big reasons so many Video and film guys have gone in the box! Rack space and expense. |
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Post by drbill on Jul 19, 2022 18:30:59 GMT -6
LOL. A good scoring engineer buddy of mine liked them for his mix bus too. Problem for him was - he was always mixing in 7.1. So he needed 4 of em for the mix buss. I bought 4 channels recently when he retired... . One smile for every channel!! This one of the big reasons so many Video and film guys have gone in the box! Rack space and expense. Sellouts!!!!! |
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Post by audiomaintenance on Jul 20, 2022 2:24:11 GMT -6
It looks like the AMLs haven't been available for a few years. Hopefully, he will start making them again. Hopefully very soon there will be a small number of kits available..... then in a couple of months we should be back to normal availability with these. |
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Post by stam on Jul 20, 2022 12:26:36 GMT -6
Wow!!
Great video Josh!! As always!!
Both sound good but here is indeed a huge difference between them.
Looking forward to more reviews like these
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Post by robschnapf on Jul 20, 2022 21:07:01 GMT -6
Pultec are never my got to if I’m gonna eq the stereo buss. But I do love EQP1As. Love em on Bass and vocal and acoustic instruments and kick and snare and…….. Curious to hear why you don't like the Pultecs on the stereo bus. it’s not that I don’t like them as much as A) I don’t put any eq on the stereo buss anymore and B) i liked the Sontec which is a completely different vibe. Or non vibe. |
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Post by thehightenor on Jul 21, 2022 2:05:22 GMT -6
Pultec are never my go to if I’m gonna eq the stereo buss. But I do love EQP1As. Love em on Bass and vocal and acoustic instruments and kick and snare and…….. +1 on that. I use Pultec EQ on channels but for the mix bus I find it too broad a crayon and a little to grainy. But I do like the passive mids so I bought a Thermionic The Swift EQ which combines active Bax shelves with Pultec passive inductor mids and even has a Maag EQ style Air band (plus a Vic Keary designed EMI console presence band (very unique) If I’m EQing the stereo bus I need more options than a Pultec EQ. I do think the AML units sound very good and are great value for money. |
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