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Post by Quint on Jul 6, 2022 7:49:24 GMT -6
What do you prefer about the Sonnox stuff? The Transmod hasn't been on my radar really, but I have sort of given thought to the Envolution from time to time. And it is on UAD, which would be an added bonus for me. It’s cleaner tonally and can have way more drastic effects for problem solving. the transmod works a little differently than a traditional spl transient designer, which kills high frequency detail because it’s like a compressor with pretty much. infinite sidechain distortion. transient shapers like a compressor split the audio into audio path (up/Down) and rectified sidechain (all up). Then the sidechain is used to generate a dc control voltage for the voltage controlled amplifier to multiply the audio signal by. Unlike a compressor, there’s no threshold or ratio controls but just smoothing filter, ie attack and release. in a compressor, attack and release are just one crazy complex low pass filter to slow down the rate of change. In a transient designer there are two in a row. One with the attack knob and instant release and then the other with instant attack and the release knob. Then it multiplies the audio path by the difference between them with a lot of program dependencies and smoothing to the filters. But still… we all know what happens when you set a compressor to instant attack or release. Thus a transient designer deadens the sound a bit compared to slow attack for overshoots on a compressor. transmod has a more control over the overshoots and can get cleaner or crazier distorted. Read the manual and Paul Frindle posts for tips. Envolution is more of a traditional transient shaper with the Sonnox harmonic cleanliness and optional distortion but it is far more controllable and better sounding than the spl brainworx plug. It’s not as open up top as the Transmod. A lot of the newer Sonnox stuff (from suppressor on) doesn’t sound as good as the old Paul Frindle Oxford plugs and isn’t as low cpu. a More subtle traditional one I like is the transient knob in Klanghelm sdrr2 but it’s often too subtle while Transmod can get crazy overshoots that get overdriven out by it or something down the line for extra crispyness I might have to demo Envolution. Though it might be a little too tweaky for my liking. The simplicity of a two knob affair like the transient designer is part of the appeal. I do sort of like the ability to do a little eqing, such as that that the Softube Transient Shaper or Boz Transgressor provides. Maybe I'll like the Envolution after I give it a try. Are there default sort of settings that one can just leave the rest of the knobs on and then just use the two main transient/sustain knobs like you would with a more traditional transient designer?
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Post by Guitar on Jul 6, 2022 9:17:28 GMT -6
The SPL Transient Designer plugins are "easy mode" for acoustic drum sound mixing, usually seem to work.
Some people talk about the Elysia Nvelope, it's the smart-man's next design of the same idea, you can get that from PA too, I haven't tried that one yet, but I'm curious about it.
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Post by bossanova on Jul 6, 2022 11:30:45 GMT -6
Definitely. I’m really happy that I went in on all 3 Advanced versions when they were selling them for $150. Tonal Balance and Ozone get the most use for the mastering, saturation, and bus tools, but Neutron has the transient shaper and masking EQ, and Nectar has a chorus that is nice for the 80s Harmonizer effect. The only reason why I don’t use more of the bread and butter processors in there is because Slick EQ, Kotelnikov, etc, are already integrated into my work flow and I can get results very fast there. So do you (or anyone else reading this) feel like those TDR plugins like Kotelnikov can do just as a good a job as a dedicated transient designer type of plugin? Also, even if they can do as good a job, part of my original inquiry also had to do with ease of use. I like how transient designer types of plugins have a simple interface with basically two knobs. That ease of use is worth something to me, and the reason why I was interested in those types of plugins specifically. Transient designers aren’t based on a threshold, so the function is different than a compressor in that regard. I would turn to a compressor to shape overall high level transients for bus duties a la the SSL G bus comp, and a transient shaper for individual instruments.
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Post by Quint on Jul 6, 2022 12:05:15 GMT -6
So do you (or anyone else reading this) feel like those TDR plugins like Kotelnikov can do just as a good a job as a dedicated transient designer type of plugin? Also, even if they can do as good a job, part of my original inquiry also had to do with ease of use. I like how transient designer types of plugins have a simple interface with basically two knobs. That ease of use is worth something to me, and the reason why I was interested in those types of plugins specifically. Transient designers aren’t based on a threshold, so the function is different than a compressor in that regard. I would turn to a compressor to shape overall high level transients for bus duties a la the SSL G bus comp, and a transient shaper for individual instruments. Sorry I wasn't clear before. My query was based on use for single instruments (primarily drums).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2022 15:30:43 GMT -6
It’s cleaner tonally and can have way more drastic effects for problem solving. the transmod works a little differently than a traditional spl transient designer, which kills high frequency detail because it’s like a compressor with pretty much. infinite sidechain distortion. transient shapers like a compressor split the audio into audio path (up/Down) and rectified sidechain (all up). Then the sidechain is used to generate a dc control voltage for the voltage controlled amplifier to multiply the audio signal by. Unlike a compressor, there’s no threshold or ratio controls but just smoothing filter, ie attack and release. in a compressor, attack and release are just one crazy complex low pass filter to slow down the rate of change. In a transient designer there are two in a row. One with the attack knob and instant release and then the other with instant attack and the release knob. Then it multiplies the audio path by the difference between them with a lot of program dependencies and smoothing to the filters. But still… we all know what happens when you set a compressor to instant attack or release. Thus a transient designer deadens the sound a bit compared to slow attack for overshoots on a compressor. transmod has a more control over the overshoots and can get cleaner or crazier distorted. Read the manual and Paul Frindle posts for tips. Envolution is more of a traditional transient shaper with the Sonnox harmonic cleanliness and optional distortion but it is far more controllable and better sounding than the spl brainworx plug. It’s not as open up top as the Transmod. A lot of the newer Sonnox stuff (from suppressor on) doesn’t sound as good as the old Paul Frindle Oxford plugs and isn’t as low cpu. a More subtle traditional one I like is the transient knob in Klanghelm sdrr2 but it’s often too subtle while Transmod can get crazy overshoots that get overdriven out by it or something down the line for extra crispyness I might have to demo Envolution. Though it might be a little too tweaky for my liking. The simplicity of a two knob affair like the transient designer is part of the appeal. I do sort of like the ability to do a little eqing, such as that that the Softube Transient Shaper or Boz Transgressor provides. Maybe I'll like the Envolution after I give it a try. Are there default sort of settings that one can just leave the rest of the knobs on and then just use the two main transient/sustain knobs like you would with a more traditional transient designer? Try Sonnox Oxford Transmod then for simplicity.
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Post by Quint on Jul 6, 2022 15:33:55 GMT -6
I might have to demo Envolution. Though it might be a little too tweaky for my liking. The simplicity of a two knob affair like the transient designer is part of the appeal. I do sort of like the ability to do a little eqing, such as that that the Softube Transient Shaper or Boz Transgressor provides. Maybe I'll like the Envolution after I give it a try. Are there default sort of settings that one can just leave the rest of the knobs on and then just use the two main transient/sustain knobs like you would with a more traditional transient designer? Try Sonnox Oxford Transmod then for simplicity. Transmod seemed like it might be the more complicated one?
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Post by Guitar on Jul 6, 2022 16:20:37 GMT -6
transmod is pretty simple
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Post by notneeson on Jul 7, 2022 11:09:59 GMT -6
I like the PA one. It's a secret weapon when you need it but also very easy to overbake.
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