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Post by indiehouse on Jun 15, 2022 6:25:10 GMT -6
I’m trying to get some drums recorded to a couple of my tracks. My project is at 96khz. The drummer is a local guy, and working remotely, as it’s just easier for me. He’s recording them at his place, and does a lot of session work for local artists with good results.
Anyways, he says that the 96khz crapped out his system. I’m the first to ever send him a 96khz project. He ended up tracking at 48khz, and then upsampled to 96khz.
Realistically, is this going to be a big deal? Kind of bummed because I’d like to use him on more songs, but everything I’ve done for this project is at 96khz.
What do you think?
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Post by OtisGreying on Jun 15, 2022 6:42:31 GMT -6
I’ve read many people say they can’t hear a difference from 48 to 96 - many more have said the difference is extremely subtle if not infinitesimal - that’s audio engineers saying that.
I definitely wouldn’t choose a different drummer just for a higher sample rate, especially if he’s the right drummer for the job unless something about the files is messing with your session on some sort of unworkable technical level?
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Post by robschnapf on Jun 15, 2022 7:19:46 GMT -6
Upsample him and be done.
It’s not going to affect sales
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Post by Guitar on Jun 15, 2022 7:24:43 GMT -6
Listen to the music, the performance, the emotion. Upsample. Continue mixing. I just had to do the same thing on the last thing I mixed. There's no way any of us will ever get everyone in the world on board with the level of technical detail we pursue in forum/audio/whatever world. There's nothing wrong with either approach. A lot of the job is to "make it work."
Also I doubt the fact that it was recorded at 48KHz and upsampled to 96KHz will really be a "defect" of any kind. And I agree with the previous answers.
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Post by svart on Jun 15, 2022 8:01:16 GMT -6
Upsampling will simply sound like 48K but at 96K samplerates.
BTW, I can hear a difference between 48K and 96K when A/B'd. Will it make a difference in your mix? Maybe, maybe not. Depends on the quality of the 48K. I've heard 96K that sounded worse than 48K, so YMMV.
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Post by deaconblues on Jun 15, 2022 9:06:54 GMT -6
Upsample him and be done. It’s not going to affect sales What is this “sales” you speak of?  |
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Post by robschnapf on Jun 15, 2022 10:07:27 GMT -6
Upsample him and be done. It’s not going to affect sales What is this “sales” you speak of?  That’s what I’m saying |
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Post by EmRR on Jun 15, 2022 10:13:03 GMT -6
go with it. I get flown in stuff at lower rates all the time.
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Post by Guitar on Jun 15, 2022 11:13:26 GMT -6
Upsample him and be done. It’s not going to affect sales What is this “sales” you speak of? A series of increasingly minor transactions, culminating in non-listening, no-payment, no-interest and no-memory. |
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Post by drumsound on Jun 15, 2022 11:22:42 GMT -6
As long as his converters aren't total crap, you'll be fine. Yeah, there would be nicer upper extension on the cymbals, yead the transients would be a little cleaner, but if his playing is the thing (and it sounds like it is) upsample and keep working.
Listeners react to the music being played. It can sound god awful to us, but if the musicians make musical sense, and the song works, they will never notice.
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Post by Guitar on Jun 15, 2022 11:36:42 GMT -6
I have been recording at 48KHz for years.... LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by christopher on Jun 15, 2022 11:51:40 GMT -6
I did a project last year where the assistant setup the sessions for 16bit 44.1 and there was no way I could tell until getting the files. So it’s not a big deal. I’d still want 96 if possible. Can they work with a couple stems to save processing power?
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Post by smashlord on Jun 15, 2022 13:48:32 GMT -6
In the scheme of making a great recording, performance is #3 (after composition and arrangement) and the things only cats and dogs can hear is #10983409834098340938403984, so I'd go with the player you like and compromise on the sample rate.
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Post by jmoose on Jun 15, 2022 14:29:51 GMT -6
Right its not a huge deal... but I'd have to wonder what the guys rig is like if it can't handle hi res audio..?
Handful of instances come to mind where sample rates got cut without being asked. None for great reasons, mostly people working with ancient computers.
One years ago the band & I decided to hire out mixing. Tracked everything at 88.2 and the mixes started coming back at 44.1 - we had to call the guy and ask what was happening. Why? Conference call with myself singer & guitarist... His PT rig didn't have enough DSP to run at 88.2 so he just cut in half on us. Didn't say anything... figured we wouldn't care.
Its 2022 not 2002. Even the most basic interface & laptop should be able to run hi res without a problem. Especially if your offering service for hire & taking people's money. Kind of a requirement these days.
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Post by Guitar on Jun 15, 2022 14:35:34 GMT -6
I'd rank performance greater than those, but hey, we're all just ear holes.
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Post by indiehouse on Jun 15, 2022 14:59:39 GMT -6
I did a project last year where the assistant setup the sessions for 16bit 44.1 and there was no way I could tell until getting the files. So it’s not a big deal. I’d still want 96 if possible. Can they work with a couple stems to save processing power? I did send stems. |
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Post by indiehouse on Jun 15, 2022 15:02:11 GMT -6
Right its not a huge deal... but I'd have to wonder what the guys rig is like if it can't handle hi res audio..? Handful of instances come to mind where sample rates got cut without being asked. None for great reasons, mostly people working with ancient computers. One years ago the band & I decided to hire out mixing. Tracked everything at 88.2 and the mixes started coming back at 44.1 - we had to call the guy and ask what was happening. Why? Conference call with myself singer & guitarist... His PT rig didn't have enough DSP to run at 88.2 so he just cut in half on us. Didn't say anything... figured we wouldn't care. Its 2022 not 2002. Even the most basic interface & laptop should be able to run hi res without a problem. Especially if your offering service for hire & taking people's money. Kind of a requirement these days. Yeah, I’m a bit bummed to have to deal with it. Shouldn’t seem like 96k would be a hassle these days. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2022 15:05:42 GMT -6
Right its not a huge deal... but I'd have to wonder what the guys rig is like if it can't handle hi res audio..? Handful of instances come to mind where sample rates got cut without being asked. None for great reasons, mostly people working with ancient computers. One years ago the band & I decided to hire out mixing. Tracked everything at 88.2 and the mixes started coming back at 44.1 - we had to call the guy and ask what was happening. Why? Conference call with myself singer & guitarist... His PT rig didn't have enough DSP to run at 88.2 so he just cut in half on us. Didn't say anything... figured we wouldn't care. Its 2022 not 2002. Even the most basic interface & laptop should be able to run hi res without a problem. Especially if your offering service for hire & taking people's money. Kind of a requirement these days. Ancient computers are a big problem with a lot of places running old Macs with a bunch of hardware that doesn't work. In 2022, i9-12900k and M1 Ultra can still grind to a halt and need freezing with some plugs. Not just inefficiently coded ones like Pulsar, Acustica, and Ik or ones with bad graphics calls like Softube and newer versions of McDSP. Newer Waves and Tokyo Dawn too. You pretty much need a "high quality workflow" and a "low cpu workflow" at this point.
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Post by mcirish on Jun 15, 2022 16:09:24 GMT -6
I'd keep the upsampled tracks. There is no way any listener is ever going to hear a difference between the two sample rates. Personally, I just stick with 44.1k or 48K for all projects so I don't have to do a ton of track freezing to free up CPU. I don't feel the sample rate war is worth waging anymore. If it sounds good, it is good. Greater music than I ever recorded was completed on far worse gear.
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Post by Guitar on Jun 15, 2022 16:20:44 GMT -6
In the scheme of making a great recording, performance is #3 (after composition and arrangement) and the things only cats and dogs can hear is #10983409834098340938403984, so I'd go with the player you like and compromise on the sample rate. The dogs and cats I hang around love music performance :-D Mainly, the dogs. It's a good representation of how to enjoy music. |
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Post by notneeson on Jun 15, 2022 19:11:07 GMT -6
I'm in the "I don't really care about sample rates" camp.
Have done 48 and 88.2 of late. It's a very small consideration compared to all the many, more musically relevant choices that need to get made.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 15, 2022 20:47:55 GMT -6
Just did a mix at 48k with drums flown in. This drummer just killed some of the previous drummers the artist has used before, and the ones he used before were all pros and good. I get the sample rate issue, but if the playing is right, don't worry, be happy, be very happy.
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Post by notneeson on Jun 15, 2022 21:08:44 GMT -6
Just did a mix at 48k with drums flown in. This drummer just killed some of the previous drummers the artist has used before, and the ones he used before were all pros and good. I get the sample rate issue, but if the playing is right, don't worry, be happy, be very happy. This, always this. |
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Post by smashlord on Jun 15, 2022 21:13:26 GMT -6
I worked with an artist who's album was primarily tracked by another producer where I was brought in to cut some overdubs because I was local to the artist. When things were tracked and it came time to mix, he liked my roughs better than his producer's mixes, so I ended up eventually getting the mix gig. I did a couple of the mixes that the artist loved and then got a conference call from the producer saying he was "concerned that we are compromising on quality" because I was sending back mixes @ 48khz instead of 96kHz. Meanwhile, while he was concerned with what our furry friends can hear, down in the audible spectrum, the sessions he was sending me were littered with bad edits and poorly intonnated guitars.
So yeah.... seems like people get too hung up on the wrong things sometimes and miss the bigger picture.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 15, 2022 22:12:29 GMT -6
Welcome to the forum smashlord!
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