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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 13, 2022 17:50:44 GMT -6
Well...I will be printing through the Burl from now on...made everything a little tighter and wider.
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Post by recordingengineer on Apr 13, 2022 21:51:11 GMT -6
Compared to?
The Burl B2 compared to Avid HD I/O, both clocked to an Antelope 10MX, most definitely does something good, but I can’t easily put my finger on the difference in words.
I haven’t compared without the external clock, unfortunately.
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Post by sirthought on Apr 13, 2022 21:52:11 GMT -6
Isn't tighter and wider a contradiction?
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 13, 2022 21:57:56 GMT -6
Isn't tighter and wider a contradiction? I meant made the bottom end less flubby, more punchy and the soundstage wider. Maybe not wider, but more separation between center and LR |
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Post by trakworxmastering on Apr 14, 2022 9:50:20 GMT -6
Welcome to the club! Once you experience the imaging, warm solid lows, creamy mids and smooth clear highs, it's hard to go back to "transparent" (boring) converters. Better sound is just plain better.
Yes it's a matter of taste, but our taste is what they pay us for.
'Been capturing every mix and master with Burls since 2008. B2 Bomber ADC at first, now BAD4 or BAD4M cards in the Mothership. Works great for everything.
Enjoy,
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Post by notneeson on Apr 14, 2022 9:57:11 GMT -6
Yeah; it’s a great piece for sure.
I don’t own one but have used it at Wally’s Hydeout a bunch. My take is that it’s preferable to monitor the capture as you’re tweaking the mix rather than add the Burl late in the game. Meaning that the Burl is even more a part of your 2 buss chain than a transparent A/D and you want it in early as you would your buss comp, EQ etc.
Of course, that’s probably best practice regardless. I just feel it keenly with this box because it does have a lot of box tone.
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 14, 2022 11:36:06 GMT -6
Ya, if you are going to use the b2, put it on first and do your mix/master into it.
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 14, 2022 12:39:26 GMT -6
Yeah - I should set it up that way on the next mix. It is kind've fun for it to be like a "betterizer." That was my experience with this tune. I had it mixed, but then sent my tracks to it on a bus, then that bus to the master. Adjusted some things in the mix and played around with how hard I was hitting the Burl. Then printed and bounced through the master.
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Post by ericn on Apr 14, 2022 17:24:37 GMT -6
Well...I will be printing through the Burl from now on...made everything a little tighter and wider. Like I keep saying we really really like distortion, and pushing a really nice transformer with the right circuit is the best of all! |
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Post by trakworxmastering on Apr 15, 2022 9:23:18 GMT -6
TBH, I think the effect of the Burl ADC is subtle enough that you can work either way. Mixing into it works great, but adding it at the end of the process usually doesn't necessitate changes to the mix IME. It just makes it a bit more euphonic. If you're using hardware processors on the 2-bus then those will change the sound far more than a Burl ADC will. Just use it however fits your workflow and enjoy.
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Post by guitfiddler on Apr 16, 2022 10:15:04 GMT -6
Using Dangerous AD+ and Dangerous Convert DA for quite some time now, but I have always wondered about Burl, haven't used their converters, but have some of their preamps that are nice. Always been very curious to try their converters.
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 16, 2022 14:17:33 GMT -6
Using Dangerous AD+ and Dangerous Convert DA for quite some time now, but I have always wondered about Burl, haven't used their converters, but have some of their preamps that are nice. Always been very curious to try their converters. I’m interested in hearing the Burl DA now. I think their DA Modules for the mothership and B16 were upgraded, but the rack units haven’t been. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 16, 2022 14:45:05 GMT -6
Win some with their songwriters’ contest !  |
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 16, 2022 16:20:39 GMT -6
Win some with their songwriters’ contest ! Oh I didn’t know about that. Got a link? |
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 16, 2022 16:22:04 GMT -6
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Post by ericn on Apr 16, 2022 21:36:48 GMT -6
Using Dangerous AD+ and Dangerous Convert DA for quite some time now, but I have always wondered about Burl, haven't used their converters, but have some of their preamps that are nice. Always been very curious to try their converters. I’m interested in hearing the Burl DA now. I think their DA Modules for the mothership and B16 were upgraded, but the rack units haven’t been. You bought into the rabbit hole and in this case me liked. |
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Post by trakworxmastering on Apr 18, 2022 9:36:48 GMT -6
Using Dangerous AD+ and Dangerous Convert DA for quite some time now, but I have always wondered about Burl, haven't used their converters, but have some of their preamps that are nice. Always been very curious to try their converters. I’m interested in hearing the Burl DA now. I think their DA Modules for the mothership and B16 were upgraded, but the rack units haven’t been. The B2 DAC is great, though it's not transformer based so not "colored". But it has the sound of class A discrete circuitry with zero capacitors. For years I used them for both feeding my chain and monitoring. I still have one in great condition that I've been meaning to sell. PM me if interested. |
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Post by roundbadge on Apr 18, 2022 11:19:01 GMT -6
If you like the B2 then try the newer generation mastering BAD4-m cards!
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Apr 19, 2022 10:08:23 GMT -6
Well...I will be printing through the Burl from now on...made everything a little tighter and wider. Haven't you and I had this conversation about a hundred times? That's why I bought another Burl again a year ago after selling old granny. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 19, 2022 11:46:59 GMT -6
Well...I will be printing through the Burl from now on...made everything a little tighter and wider. Haven't you and I had this conversation about a hundred times? That's why I bought another Burl again a year ago after selling old granny. Don't know if it was particularly about the Burl...but I guess sometimes it takes a while to get through my skull |
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Post by ericn on Apr 19, 2022 12:13:13 GMT -6
Haven't you and I had this conversation about a hundred times? That's why I bought another Burl again a year ago after selling old granny. Don't know if it was particularly about the Burl...but I guess sometimes it takes a while to get through my skull I always thought getting it through your brain wasn’t the problem it was getting it through your credit card😜 |
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 19, 2022 16:28:11 GMT -6
Don't know if it was particularly about the Burl...but I guess sometimes it takes a while to get through my skull I always thought getting it through your brain wasn’t the problem it was getting it through your credit card😜 Yeah - that's true. I often end up with stuff and think "do I really need that?" Really is subjective. |
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