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Post by drastic on Mar 8, 2022 20:21:47 GMT -6
Weird that the last two threads I’ve started have been about Harrison.. Guess their emails are working😂 New 32c bus plug-in harrisonconsoles.com/product/32c-bus-plugin/The new cross format 32C Bus plugin combines 4 famous Harrison processing modules – the Mixbus32C Tape Saturation / Drive processor, a Bus Compressor with Harrison's renowned 32C Hi Pass filter, the Mixbus32C three band Bus EQ and the Mixbus32C Master Strip Limiter – into a single comprehensive bus processing plugin. Provided in all major workstation formats: AAX (ProTools), AudioUnit (Logic), VST3 (Cubase/Nuendo) and VST for nearly any host. |
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Mar 9, 2022 0:24:22 GMT -6
Would make more sense if you posted about some usage or experience with this plugin.
Edit: changed "them" to "this plugin"
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 9, 2022 3:42:30 GMT -6
Well, no harm giving a new release a little profile, if peeps want to demo, then they will have first hand experience?
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Post by keymod on Mar 9, 2022 3:59:50 GMT -6
Between this and the Channel strip that came previously, one can build a 32C virtual console on any DAW. This would potentially mean all of the benefits of Harrison Mixbus without the quirks. I am intrigued, as I really liked a lot of what Mixbus has to offer.
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 9, 2022 6:45:59 GMT -6
Ya, I didn’t like the quirks, when U demoed a few years ago: think I bought mix bus on sale, but then didn’t use it .
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Post by drastic on Mar 9, 2022 7:22:36 GMT -6
Would make more sense if you posted about some usage or experience with this plugin. Edit: changed "them" to "this plugin" Ha hoping to in the next day or so. I really like the 32c channel plug, looking forward to seeing what this new one brings to the table. :-) As much as I like the sound and console vibe of Mixbus, it just doesn’t really work for me on the workflow side of things after demoing for a bit. |
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Post by keymod on Mar 9, 2022 10:28:48 GMT -6
Popman??
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Post by popmann on Mar 9, 2022 11:10:45 GMT -6
This makes me MORE curious. I will have to demo at some point. The channel is a hard pass. I don't need to demo--it's not the component level model in 32c. It's just a digital EQ with the curves of a 32c EQ. Why would the dynamics NOT be that? Again-didn't demo. Didn't even SOUND like something I wanted. I can hear the difference in turn the component model on/off with the EQ flat. Sounds better on...nearly 100% of the time. Is that just ever so slightly brighter or louder? Maybe. I don't do forensic work if I can help it.
Anyway--this, in theory can answer the question about the summing. I've maintained that the summing is different AND it has the tape saturation on the busses. Believe you me--I don't cherish the need to use a different app to mix than I do to create arrangements...I've spent a good amount of time with various tape sims and even multiband limiters -because their "tape", to my ear lacks distortion, won't fart out...anyway--if I set up Cubase with busses with this on it...if the summing is the same and the imaging I hear with 32c is really the tape saturation...I'll gladly buy it and stop with the 32c semi extra step. Semi because you HAVE to archive the tracks--using 32c just forces me to do that at mix time, rather than as an unexamined process after. If I export something wrong-I KNOW when I pull it in to do the final mix, and can correct that.
I also think the compressor here seems odd...a complaint I had was that the dynamics on the busses seemed to function similar to the channel compressor, if not exactly-and that I had to use third party plugs most of the time...they "fixed that" with the Harrison Buss compressor (included in 7.2), which this isn't. This seems like a full control digital compressor with a HPF on the side chain...rather than the fairly elaborate one in 32c now (in plug in form-not on the bus UI). I tested and was able to better MOST of my Slate Red or API 2500 settings on busses with their "clean" bus compressor. Go Harrison. Best part of 7.2 that I can hear. Anyway-this isn't that...NOR is it the two setting 32c bus compressor...I imagine it's fine. their audio stuff is universally good...except you know--that f'n reverb...
so, if these are full time limited demos, I'll get them and try it out with my current project--which is another project for a songwriter whose past stuff I created in Cubase and mixed in 32c. It WOULD be faster to slap those on all my busses in Cubase and finish the mix there.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2022 11:35:44 GMT -6
This makes me MORE curious. I will have to demo at some point. The channel is a hard pass. I don't need to demo--it's not the component level model in 32c. It's just a digital EQ with the curves of a 32c EQ. Why would the dynamics NOT be that? Again-didn't demo. Didn't even SOUND like something I wanted. I can hear the difference in turn the component model on/off with the EQ flat. Sounds better on...nearly 100% of the time. Is that just ever so slightly brighter or louder? Maybe. I don't do forensic work if I can help it. Anyway--this, in theory can answer the question about the summing. I've maintained that the summing is different AND it has the tape saturation on the busses. Believe you me--I don't cherish the need to use a different app to mix than I do to create arrangements...I've spent a good amount of time with various tape sims and even multiband limiters -because their "tape", to my ear lacks distortion, won't fart out...anyway--if I set up Cubase with busses with this on it...if the summing is the same and the imaging I hear with 32c is really the tape saturation...I'll gladly buy it and stop with the 32c semi extra step. Semi because you HAVE to archive the tracks--using 32c just forces me to do that at mix time, rather than as an unexamined process after. If I export something wrong-I KNOW when I pull it in to do the final mix, and can correct that. I also think the compressor here seems odd...a complaint I had was that the dynamics on the busses seemed to function similar to the channel compressor, if not exactly-and that I had to use third party plugs most of the time...they "fixed that" with the Harrison Buss compressor (included in 7.2), which this isn't. This seems like a full control digital compressor with a HPF on the side chain...rather than the fairly elaborate one in 32c now (in plug in form-not on the bus UI). I tested and was able to better MOST of my Slate Red or API 2500 settings on busses with their "clean" bus compressor. Go Harrison. Best part of 7.2 that I can hear. Anyway-this isn't that...NOR is it the two setting 32c bus compressor...I imagine it's fine. their audio stuff is universally good...except you know--that f'n reverb... so, if these are full time limited demos, I'll get them and try it out with my current project--which is another project for a songwriter whose past stuff I created in Cubase and mixed in 32c. It WOULD be faster to slap those on all my busses in Cubase and finish the mix there. The filters on on the 32c channel plug were also very low q to the point of only generally tonal shaping without being as on point and quick to use as like an api eq or as slick and smooth as slick eq The compressor was heavily smoothed and had holds to the point it wasn’t generating harmonics, only imd, which means it was modulating the signal and not acting on the wave form at all via a rectified, filtered control signal. 32c Channel strip compressor doesn’t even have a heavily smoothed and low passed sidechain like the still cool Renaissance Compressor, Oxford Dynamics, and OldTimer which are ancient yet still effective vs most of the emulations. Rather it was like Waves L1/L2 and most of the Metric Halo channel strip Compressors in that it’s not actually behaving like any analog compressor due to the weird program dependent holds, delays in sidechain, or certain shapes of attack/release filters I don’t see how this will mess with like Klanghelm sdrr2 desk mode, Lindell 80 bus, fuse tcs-68 etc for mojo. And the bus compressor vs the glue or something like Presswerk’s bus view on 2 bus or any amount of cool things to shove on drums? No way |
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Post by jampa on Mar 9, 2022 13:34:08 GMT -6
I've personally found Harrison's digital support and online interaction to be so bad that I'm writing it on a message board
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Post by popmann on Mar 12, 2022 14:02:40 GMT -6
If anyone cares. It ain't replacing 32c here. I put it on these Cubase projects' busses and another instance ont he master...got the needles where I typically would...first-hard to even HEAR the difference...and when I did--it's just damping high frequencies. I just had the "tape" on, since I don't use their bus compressors much and while I DO use the bus EQ, it's so situational...there's no "test" for that...anyway...sounds just muted a little.
Now...that doesn't mean this isn't a lovely bus processor as a whole thing--if you're going to use all it's features...my concern was can I put it on the busses and have the generally better sound/imaging of 32c? Answer? No.
Looks like they installed all their demos alongside it...so, I'll give the "vocal intensity processor" and such modern VST plugs a try during this week or however long the demo is.
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Post by petergreeny on Apr 3, 2022 16:30:28 GMT -6
If anyone cares. It ain't replacing 32c here. I put it on these Cubase projects' busses and another instance ont he master...got the needles where I typically would...first-hard to even HEAR the difference...and when I did--it's just damping high frequencies. I just had the "tape" on, since I don't use their bus compressors much and while I DO use the bus EQ, it's so situational...there's no "test" for that...anyway...sounds just muted a little. Now...that doesn't mean this isn't a lovely bus processor as a whole thing--if you're going to use all it's features...my concern was can I put it on the busses and have the generally better sound/imaging of 32c? Answer? No. Looks like they installed all their demos alongside it...so, I'll give the "vocal intensity processor" and such modern VST plugs a try during this week or however long the demo is. I've reached precisely the same conclusion - there is some kind of summing magic in 32C the application, but this doesn't carry over to the Bus plugin and channelstrip when setup in Reaper. I would love to know what the hell they are doing to improve the sound/depth/width in Mixbus. A shame the DAW isn't reliable... |
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