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Post by Bat Lanyard on Feb 28, 2022 13:08:54 GMT -6
And just like that, overnight, Soyuz removed from Sweetwater. I assume it's related but who knows for sure. WOW! (and this thread comes around full circle) Lol!
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Post by tkaitkai on Feb 28, 2022 16:21:24 GMT -6
I don't mean to jump to conclusions, but if that's the reason SW pulled Soyuz, that's a really lame move, IMO. Hopefully it had nothing to do with that. Soyuz put out a statement today: "Soyuz Microphones was founded by an American and Russian in hopes that the collaboration could serve as an example of cooperation between the East and West. The word “Soyuz” means “union” or “alliance” and this is the basic foundation on which our company proudly stands.
With this in mind, it’s important for us to state that we are strongly anti-conflict in any way, including last week’s invasion of Ukraine. We wish for a peaceful resolution to the current conflict and pray for the safety of all those in harm’s way.
These current military actions do not represent the views of the team at Soyuz Microphones. We are a small, but humble workforce, that is dedicated to our craft. Many of us have connections to citizens in Ukraine, and our hearts ache for all of those impacted by the events of the past week.
We hope for a peaceful resolution to the current conflict and that the process of building towards a better tomorrow can start immediately."soyuzmicrophones.com/articles/peace-soyuz?mc_cid=846c46da83&mc_eid=fee872d351
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Post by miadaudio on Feb 28, 2022 17:17:51 GMT -6
Speaking of wow... Attachments:
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Post by Martin John Butler on Feb 28, 2022 18:28:13 GMT -6
I think you can read between the lines of the Soyuz statement. They can't quite say exactly what they'd probably like to say for fear of reprisals. When I mentioned a moratorium on Russian products, I was thinking more of the big items, like oil, not some small company. It's complicated though. I hope Sweetwater reinstates them soon.
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Post by jmoose on Feb 28, 2022 18:43:04 GMT -6
Weird. maybe its a west coast vs east coast thing. I can't remember being in any pro studio (not home studio) that didn't have a handful of KM84's. They are ubiquitous out here. Maybe. Seems like in LA studios tend to live... they change hands but the buildings remain? In the greater NYC area we tend to knock 'em down put up condos and liquidate the gear with a broker who parts everything out. That $6k pair at VK? For all we know cam out of Sony Studios on West 54th... which yup that building was torn to the ground and replaced with condo's. Probably at least like, 7 home studios in that building? All tucked into the corner of an apartment. Would be kinda funny if the $6k KM84's returned home!
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 28, 2022 18:47:02 GMT -6
I know it seems drastic, but Putin and the oligarchs have something like 2/3rds of a billion invested outside of Russia and planned in weathering any sanctions war. The cancellation of Russia’s use/access to the Swift financial transaction system will weaken Russia quickly and very significantly.
Hopefully, Putin reconsiders quickly.
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Post by javamad on Feb 28, 2022 19:23:45 GMT -6
Little people don’t start wars, little people don’t win wars but they lose them, on both sides, every single time.
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Post by Ward on Mar 1, 2022 7:14:24 GMT -6
Weird. maybe its a west coast vs east coast thing. I can't remember being in any pro studio (not home studio) that didn't have a handful of KM84's. They are ubiquitous out here. Maybe. Seems like in LA studios tend to live... they change hands but the buildings remain? In the greater NYC area we tend to knock 'em down put up condos and liquidate the gear with a broker who parts everything out. That $6k pair at VK? For all we know cam out of Sony Studios on West 54th... which yup that building was torn to the ground and replaced with condo's. Probably at least like, 7 home studios in that building? All tucked into the corner of an apartment. Would be kinda funny if the $6k KM84's returned home! Thanks, Just thanks for staying on-topic . . . these threads derail so easily.
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Post by enlav on Mar 1, 2022 8:05:21 GMT -6
Weird. maybe its a west coast vs east coast thing. I can't remember being in any pro studio (not home studio) that didn't have a handful of KM84's. They are ubiquitous out here. Maybe. Seems like in LA studios tend to live... they change hands but the buildings remain? In the greater NYC area we tend to knock 'em down put up condos and liquidate the gear with a broker who parts everything out. That $6k pair at VK? For all we know cam out of Sony Studios on West 54th... which yup that building was torn to the ground and replaced with condo's. Probably at least like, 7 home studios in that building? All tucked into the corner of an apartment. Would be kinda funny if the $6k KM84's returned home! With the aspiring content-creator/musician scene, I wouldn't be surprised if some singer-songwriter renting a loft or condo in that very space ends up with a pair (in this hypothetical/romantic world).
Here in the midwest, it's not too rare to see 84's and 83's. Usually if a studio has any presence of vintage microphones, they'll have some... but I've found it's more common that places (especially project studios) are mostly packed with new microphones. Sometimes I won't even find 184's on the list. Nothing like seeing a place that has that 201X Sweetwater look to it: 24-channel Toft that barely fits between the walls of a spare bedroom, Audix Drum Mic package, 6-10 microphones set up on short stands for guitar cabs, and a single SM7B for vocals.
Just to add about studio teardowns: Back in 2019 or around it, we lost the only (Bill) Putnam room in the midwest (to my knowledge), and I know we've lost a few places, that while geared to jingle/commercial, still reflect this trend of commercial spaces dwindling. Another well-respected place in the past had changed hands something like a half a dozen times in the span of 3-4 years, all while rumors of "issues" have been sprouting up around the studio... That, along with some more prominent project studios closing for one reason or another... all in this time span, we've had one new commercial studio built. Honestly, I'm guessing that's still probably better than some markets.
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Post by EmRR on Mar 1, 2022 8:23:04 GMT -6
A KM83 I have never seen….
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Post by enlav on Mar 1, 2022 9:23:56 GMT -6
A KM83 I have never seen…. I guess I should specify in case there's some nuance I'm not familiar with with the old KM 8x series; in some cases, they were 84's with interchangeable omni capsules.
Some folks talking about the omni pickup in such positive light, I should note that for whatever genius reason, I've never used either the 84 with interchangeable capsule or an 83 when given the chance.
Makes me wonder if $1500 for an 83 is worth the trial.
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Post by EmRR on Mar 1, 2022 10:53:36 GMT -6
A KM83 I have never seen…. I guess I should specify in case there's some nuance I'm not familiar with with the old KM 8x series; in some cases, they were 84's with interchangeable omni capsules.
Some folks talking about the omni pickup in such positive light, I should note that for whatever genius reason, I've never used either the 84 with interchangeable capsule or an 83 when given the chance.
Makes me wonder if $1500 for an 83 is worth the trial.
Yeah same preamp, different capsules. Not sure how easily or safely interchangeable they are. I’ve read enough stories of 84 capsules falling apart when someone pulled them, no real interpretation of that here. They still make a flat omni that can be had new for a similar price. I’d get that one myself.
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Mar 1, 2022 11:12:54 GMT -6
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Post by crillemannen on Mar 1, 2022 11:12:54 GMT -6
A KM83 I have never seen…. I guess I should specify in case there's some nuance I'm not familiar with with the old KM 8x series; in some cases, they were 84's with interchangeable omni capsules.
Some folks talking about the omni pickup in such positive light, I should note that for whatever genius reason, I've never used either the 84 with interchangeable capsule or an 83 when given the chance.
Makes me wonder if $1500 for an 83 is worth the trial.
I own several Km84s and would love to get a Omni head. It's very easy to switch heads if you own a Km84. Just unscrew head/capsule and remove. The Km84 is truly awesome and I'd love to hear how it sounds in Omni on acoustic guitar. I really fell in love with Omni after I tried my U47 in Omni on AC. GTR. Whole new level, but quite a pricey one 🤣✌️
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Post by enlav on Mar 1, 2022 11:14:09 GMT -6
Yeah same preamp, different capsules. Not sure how easily or safely interchangeable they are. I’ve read enough stories of 84 capsules falling apart when someone pulled them, no real interpretation of that here. They still make a flat omni that can be had new for a similar price. I’d get that one myself. That sounds terrifying. Makes me feel somewhat justified with how mortified I was handling the 84's in that particular session. Regarding the current model, are you referring to the 131? I guess the one reason I would entertain an KM83 or KM84 is because I imagine as long as I keep them in the same condition I received them (assuming they work), I probably wouldn't lose out on value by selling it later (ignoring the whole tax conversation for a moment). If I were to pick up a new Neumann now, I'm guessing I'd still eat a hundred or two after selling it. (Though this may all be a mute point if the Serrano 84's deliver a product on par with how the Serrano 87 has been received* (edit: completing sentence).) Speaking of which, has there ever been a time where a clone or -styled microphone has driven down any piece of audio equipment? Something tells me these KM84 listings are only going to go up from here (especially paired).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2022 11:36:41 GMT -6
And just like that, overnight, Soyuz removed from Sweetwater. I assume it's related but who knows for sure. WOW! (and this thread comes around full circle) Oktavia is owned by the Russian state. Hence the lack of innovation except for implementing aftermarket mods at the factory.
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Post by WKG on Mar 1, 2022 12:27:17 GMT -6
There's a sequential pair of 84's on Reverb right now for over $7,500.00. Heh... I am not likely to bite on those.
As much as it would be nice to have a pair of 84's that is crazy. I am content, for now, with the 013's.
FWIW Sweetwater has added Soyuz mics back to their website.
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Post by ericn on Mar 1, 2022 13:53:15 GMT -6
I guess I should specify in case there's some nuance I'm not familiar with with the old KM 8x series; in some cases, they were 84's with interchangeable omni capsules.
Some folks talking about the omni pickup in such positive light, I should note that for whatever genius reason, I've never used either the 84 with interchangeable capsule or an 83 when given the chance.
Makes me wonder if $1500 for an 83 is worth the trial.
Yeah same preamp, different capsules. Not sure how easily or safely interchangeable they are. I’ve read enough stories of 84 capsules falling apart when someone pulled them, no real interpretation of that here. They still make a flat omni that can be had new for a similar price. I’d get that one myself. I remember in the 90’s there were a lot of issues with guys stripping the threads and damaging the center pin.
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Post by enlav on Mar 1, 2022 15:25:30 GMT -6
I remember in the 90’s there were a lot of issues with guys stripping the threads and damaging the center pin. By over-tightening, I take it?
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Post by ericn on Mar 1, 2022 15:38:36 GMT -6
I remember in the 90’s there were a lot of issues with guys stripping the threads and damaging the center pin. By over-tightening, I take it? No it always seamed like someone wouldn’t take the time to line up the threads, took a vice grip and tried to force it .
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Post by the other mark williams on Mar 1, 2022 15:58:35 GMT -6
How do we all feel about purchasing a Soyuz in the current environment? Not trying to be political at all and not looking at that side of it. Purely - how easy will it be to get these things fixed or serviced in the future? I think that's a very understandable question to be asking, Jeremy.
I just sent an email to my contact there asking the question, and I'll reply here as soon as I hear anything.
Of course, who knows in the days/weeks/months ahead if any future sanctions would affect something like this. With them having a USA base in Los Angeles, I would think it less likely, but I do know all manufacturing and serious repair work is done in Russia at the Tula factory, so who knows for sure.
Wanted to let y'all know I heard back from my Soyuz contact (Marc Kuzio, who lives in Raleigh, NC, FWIW). Here's what he said: So that all strikes me as good news. Plenty of stock in the US, and repairs can be handled either in the US or via a local tech (internationally) by sending parts and schematics. Good on them.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 8, 2022 10:41:48 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 8, 2022 10:42:32 GMT -6
Btw - why aren’t we canceling China over genocide?
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Post by jeremygillespie on Mar 8, 2022 11:21:47 GMT -6
Btw - why aren’t we canceling China over genocide? Because the American public wouldn’t be able to live without their phones, TVs, Computers and air conditioners.
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Post by Quint on Mar 8, 2022 12:08:33 GMT -6
Btw - why aren’t we canceling China over genocide? Because the American public wouldn’t be able to live without their phones, TVs, Computers and air conditioners. Yeah, I tend to agree. I mean, I'm not generally opposed to the sort of economic sanctions being imposed by governments and private industry on Russia right now. But it does strike me as the sort of thing that, in the case of Russia, is relatively "conveniently" implementable. I guess we'll see what happens if/when China ever invades Taiwan. That's where the backbone of this sort of sanctions approach will be tested even more. But that's always been the conundrum with geopolitics. In a globalized world, society always has to decide where the lines are and which acts are a bridge too far and which acts are the sort of thing that we can turn a blind eye towards. I'd prefer more of the former and a lot less of the latter. But money and consumerism sure does complicate things...
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Post by jmoose on Mar 8, 2022 13:46:56 GMT -6
Btw - why aren’t we canceling China over genocide? Because the American public wouldn’t be able to live without their phones, TVs, Computers and air conditioners. Its more then that. Your building a studio in your backyard yeah? I challenge you to find a box of screws or nails that isn't made in China or at least Vietnam. We don't make 'em here anymore. Haven't for many years. There's an awful lot of simple common things that we don't make anymore... lightbulbs are another one. Basic tools like screwdrivers & pliers... not much made in the states anymore. Drive though the rustbelt sometime. I'm sure any of us could rant but a lot of that is due to regulations & specifically environmental laws. Anything involving really nasty chemicals and/or hazard conditions is bad juju. Anyone live near a superfund site..? They're all over. One thing I learned during the lockdowns & shortages was Home Depot is the #2 importer of Chinese goods. So big in fact they essentially bought their own boats to only carry their goods. Pretty crazy. I would've suspected that Harbor Freight did more business... more volume... but they were way down the list. Or maybe our Canadian brothers can relate to Princess Auto? But yeah its more then iphones & cheap TV's. The stuff is everywhere including the toolboxes of guys who repair our cars & houses. Again like the box of screws... find me one guy in the trades that hasn't bought something at Hazard Freight. Its like Project Mayhem... his name was Robert Paulson. Too late we're surrounded. How any of that relates to insane prices on microphones that haven't been made for nearly 3 decades..? I truly do not understand.
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