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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jan 26, 2022 23:30:23 GMT -6
Was working on a mix last night that just sounded like straight garbage everywhere but in front of my monitors. So frustrated because I had gotten things to the point where my mixes were translated really fast, I knew the room.
On a whim I thought "could switching the couches out and moving my keyboards across the room be the difference?" Dumb. Yeah. I should have realized that right away. Anyway...
Recalibrated everything today and... whoa! Never, ever, EVER move anything in your room without recalibrating your speaker correction. How the hell did I put up with that mud for even a few days?!?!?
(You can tell that I'm excited but you all care! I just dragged my wife upstairs and played her like 20 minutes of A/B reference tracks and she finally was like "it's getting hard to act excited, can we be done?")
Post script. Incidentally the room is way flatter than it was before I moved a few things around. The song I was struggling with? In the key of E. Old calibration had 80hz down 6db, new calibration had no correction there and sounded sweet. Go figure. There's your problem... [insert facepalm emoji]
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jan 26, 2022 23:32:04 GMT -6
I just dragged my wife upstairs and played her like 20 minutes of A/B reference tracks and she finally was like "it's getting hard to act excited, can we be done? Just reread this. And stop what you're thinking! I've never heard her or any other woman say that in my life. Never. Not once. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 27, 2022 3:08:25 GMT -6
Sound is energy and it is the constant and moves out into your room as pressure, put things in its path and everything, other than you first hearing the direct signal will be affected.
I was just using the REW measurement function many times and rearranging my absorption, I’d put on SW, but wasn’t hearing much of a difference and it didn’t deal well with my 100 hz null just boosted it, so used a user defined profile, preferred the non-SW sound.
I’ve bought SW twice and just redemoed it twice but didn’t rebuy. I wish they’d kept the Ref 4 as an option and price: ID reference is getting expensive for features I don’t really value.
Glad it’s working out for you and I agree recalibrate if you move things around in your room as the indirect sound will still affect your sweet spot.
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Post by mrholmes on Jan 27, 2022 4:18:55 GMT -6
SW is fantastic for home studios!
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Post by plinker on Jan 27, 2022 11:29:19 GMT -6
Sound is energy and it is the constant and moves out into your room as pressure, put things in its path and everything, other than you first hearing the direct signal will be affected. I was just using the REW measurement function many times and rearranging my absorption, I’d put on SW, but wasn’t hearing much of a difference and it didn’t deal well with my 100 hz null just boosted it, so used a user defined profile, preferred the non-SW sound. I’ve bought SW twice and just redemoed it twice but didn’t rebuy. I wish they’d kept the Ref 4 as an option and price: ID reference is getting expensive for features I don’t really value. Glad it’s working out for you and I agree recalibrate if you move things around in your room as the indirect sound will still affect your sweet spot. It's easier to justify the price of the latest release, if you wait for sales. I hit the 40% off sale for the upgrade during the Christmas season. The new release still has some bugs, but is much more stable on my Mac M1 Mini with Monterey than the last version (which barely ran). Actually, the DAW plugin has been 100% stable. It's the System-Wide app that stops working unexpectedly. Then everything starts sounding shitty again....30 mins later, i slap myself and remember to reboot the application. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 27, 2022 13:17:13 GMT -6
The odd thing about Sw is it has the highest prices in its website, best not to buy from there.  Just wish we could still ref 4, more cheaply. |
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Post by dok on Jan 27, 2022 13:26:33 GMT -6
SW only is as effective as your room tuning. It's not going to help a poorly laid out room with speakers and/or listening position placed right in a null or peak created by an axial mode. Get your listening triangle out of those mode regions and a sub or two properly placed and calibrated, THEN apply SonarWorks and you've got something useful.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 27, 2022 15:27:16 GMT -6
Yeah...I mean, you can't mix in a closet...but it has been a godsend for me.
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Post by Guitar on Jan 27, 2022 15:37:43 GMT -6
I got the microphone and the software on "deal" for $200 or something.
John kennedy is responsible for my personal hype around this software.
It's frocking incredible. Amazing what it does in my room. The system wide software is unreliable and I have a "workaround." The plugin always works. I'm on Windows 10.
It doesn't work on my Windows 11 computer... god knows if they'll ever update it that far. Most every other software I have already works on Win 11, just not this one.
But I swear by this thing, it's phenomenal. My monitoring situation is *chef's kiss* perfect and I'm needing nothing, not needy, not needing anything. Sonarworks was the cherry on top of the semi-treated room and good speakers.
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Post by mrholmes on Jan 27, 2022 15:51:37 GMT -6
I got the microphone and the software on "deal" for $200 or something. John kennedy is responsible for my personal hype around this software. It's frocking incredible. Amazing what it does in my room. The system wide software is unreliable and I have a "workaround." The plugin always works. I'm on Windows 10. It doesn't work on my Windows 11 computer... god knows if they'll ever update it that far. Most every other software I have already works on Win 11, just not this one. But I swear by this thing, it's phenomenal. My monitoring situation is *chef's kiss* perfect and I'm needing nothing, not needy, not needing anything. Sonarworks was the cherry on top of the semi-treated room and good speakers.
Thats the point. I stated in many REW measurements that the sayings like this ones are a myth:
"I only do direct field monitoring so my room issues are not going to be there." "I monitor at low levels this excludes the room problems"
A lot of problem areas stay pretty much consistent. Thats where SW comes into play and I have no idea how they do it. They would be nuts to tell the secret.
Sure SW wont solve mixing in base mode null. No EQ can compensate this. When the room is pretty much consitent and has a few weak spots SW is a god send. Also great for monitoring on HP with Can Opener by GoodHertz.
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Post by Guitar on Jan 27, 2022 15:54:29 GMT -6
I got the microphone and the software on "deal" for $200 or something. John kennedy is responsible for my personal hype around this software. It's frocking incredible. Amazing what it does in my room. The system wide software is unreliable and I have a "workaround." The plugin always works. I'm on Windows 10. It doesn't work on my Windows 11 computer... god knows if they'll ever update it that far. Most every other software I have already works on Win 11, just not this one. But I swear by this thing, it's phenomenal. My monitoring situation is *chef's kiss* perfect and I'm needing nothing, not needy, not needing anything. Sonarworks was the cherry on top of the semi-treated room and good speakers.
Thats the point. I stated in many REW measurements that the sayings like this ones are a myth:
"I only do direct field monitoring so my room issues are not going to be there." "I monitor at low levels this excludes the room problems"
A lot of problem areas stay pretty much consistent. Thats where SW comes into play and I have no idea how they do it. They would be nuts to tell the secret.
Sure SW wont solve mixing in base mode null. No EQ can compensate this. When the room is pretty much consitent and has a few weak spots SW is a god send. Also great for monitoring on HP with Can Opener by GoodHertz.
To do what Sonarworks does for $200... without it? You'd have to ask Dr. Bill how much that costs. Probably closer to $200,000. |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jan 27, 2022 17:28:11 GMT -6
Sound is energy and it is the constant and moves out into your room as pressure, put things in its path and everything, other than you first hearing the direct signal will be affected. I was just using the REW measurement function many times and rearranging my absorption, I’d put on SW, but wasn’t hearing much of a difference and it didn’t deal well with my 100 hz null just boosted it, so used a user defined profile, preferred the non-SW sound. I’ve bought SW twice and just redemoed it twice but didn’t rebuy. I wish they’d kept the Ref 4 as an option and price: ID reference is getting expensive for features I don’t really value. Glad it’s working out for you and I agree recalibrate if you move things around in your room as the indirect sound will still affect your sweet spot. It's easier to justify the price of the latest release, if you wait for sales. I hit the 40% off sale for the upgrade during the Christmas season. The new release still has some bugs, but is much more stable on my Mac M1 Mini with Monterey than the last version (which barely ran). Actually, the DAW plugin has been 100% stable. It's the System-Wide app that stops working unexpectedly. Then everything starts sounding shitty again....30 mins later, i slap myself and remember to reboot the application. DAW plug perfect. System wide... needs improvement. I concur. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 27, 2022 17:38:41 GMT -6
Yeah I’m having to quit the systemwide app consistently because it shits the bed. But it’s a small price to pay.
I also have IK Arc 3. It’s tighter on the bottom end and more rolled on the top…but I find I stick with SW. Occasionally pull up arc to just check. Then add in Tonal Balance from Ozone with a custom curve and it helps me double check things. That thing is invaluable too.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jan 27, 2022 17:47:31 GMT -6
The systemwide thing is just such a bummer because I really like to listen to music on my monitors so I can keep my ears tuned to what commercial music sounds like on them. It would be nice if they got that figured out.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 27, 2022 17:52:47 GMT -6
The systemwide thing is just such a bummer because I really like to listen to music on my monitors so I can keep my ears tuned to what commercial music sounds like on them. It would be nice if they got that figured out. What’s happening for you? Usually the only issue I have is if I have PT or another daw open and then close after bouncing, then want to listen to the bounce in iTunes, it sounds like digital distortion. Not every time, but a lot. I’ve wondered if it also might have something to do with leaving and the screen saver comes on and it seems to confuse everything. |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jan 27, 2022 22:49:45 GMT -6
I never was able to figure out the cause, but the symptom is complete SonarWorks audio meltdown and the cure is quitting and re-opening SonarWorks.
I think it’s triggered by turning off my Apollo and turning back on? Or maybe quitting DAW? Or maybe a lot of things.
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Post by mrholmes on Jan 28, 2022 14:18:43 GMT -6
The systemwide thing is just such a bummer because I really like to listen to music on my monitors so I can keep my ears tuned to what commercial music sounds like on them. It would be nice if they got that figured out.
Systemwide works well on Mac M1 but the AU plug in has a lot of troubles. They are releasing an update around march.
Workaround for the plug in in LogicX is, to install an older Version of Sonarworks.
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Post by bradd on Jan 28, 2022 14:35:47 GMT -6
Your wife and my wife appear to be related. |
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Post by yewtreemagic on Jan 28, 2022 16:48:03 GMT -6
I never was able to figure out the cause, but the symptom is complete SonarWorks audio meltdown and the cure is quitting and re-opening SonarWorks. I think it’s triggered by turning off my Apollo and turning back on? Or maybe quitting DAW? Or maybe a lot of things. I've been running Reference 4 Systemwide on my Windows 7 PC for years now, and after a few false starts in its early days have found it rock solid. However, the only time it 'throws a wobbly' and issues error messages is if it can't find my audio interface because that's not yet switched on. As long as I switch that on first, and then my PC, all is well. |
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