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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2022 7:52:56 GMT -6
There's just a few bits I'd like some advice on, I'm in the last phases of finishing off my damn studio (only three years in the making) and due to supply etc. I might need to re-think a couple of things.
I tried to get a Neve or API lunchbox but there's none about, we're talking several months. The Fredenstein 10DS seems pretty good though, 600mA per slot, internal routing, linking etc.? On paper it's better than the API 8 slot I ordered, however I don't want to take risks with 8 very expensive modules and I need a 10 slot now anyway. Suggestions are more than welcome..
Next up I'm going to sell my 6176's (I don't use the pre-amp section) and replace them with some Serpent Splice MK2's (500) because they have a wet / dry function, has anyone actually heard these? They are fairly pricey and I do have the option (even if it's not ideal) to keep the 6176's and use them as limiters.
Also I need a 500 slot LA-2A equivalent, I have my eye's on a Retro Doublewide MK2, TG Opto or an Acme Opticom. Acme might be difficult to source so can the RW do the Teletronix thing (smooth HF / balance etc.)? Also what's your general thoughts on the three?
Finally, if I can't get the API 5500 what would you suggest as a replacement?
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Post by indiehouse on Jan 13, 2022 8:34:10 GMT -6
CAPI has stock of their rack kits right now. Probably won’t last long.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 13, 2022 8:53:38 GMT -6
^^This^^ and don’t capi have great psu ?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2022 9:01:22 GMT -6
Always appreciate the suggestions but unfortunately in this case I don't have the time to build anything, I'm having to book two weeks holiday off later in the year just to practice / record.
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Post by phdamage on Jan 13, 2022 10:12:53 GMT -6
I have two 11 slot racks from JLM. You can use them with either one or two power supplies. I haven't had any issues just using the one with my one rack, but I don't have any particularly hungry modules. I have dual power supplies for my second rack, just in case.
I haven't had any noise issues at all in the 4ish years I've had them.
EDIT: just looked and they are out of stock.
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Post by Blackdawg on Jan 13, 2022 10:43:50 GMT -6
I have a Lindell 500 rack plus some TAC racks. the Lindell hasn't ever caused me issues and you can find them used for VERY affordable. So that's an option you might look at.
Other wise, CAPI, TAC, or JLM would be my go to's.
You could look at the IGS One LA opto comp as well, it's an LA2a for 500. VERY power hungry so be aware of that. Or the Tubecore if you want an MU style. Also power hungry. IGS sells a 500 rack but no experience. But its made to host those hungry tube units.
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Post by ragan on Jan 13, 2022 10:53:16 GMT -6
I used the BAE 11-slot chassis, seems solid.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2022 11:03:12 GMT -6
I have a Lindell 500 rack plus some TAC racks. the Lindell hasn't ever caused me issues and you can find them used for VERY affordable. So that's an option you might look at. Other wise, CAPI, TAC, or JLM would be my go to's. You could look at the IGS One LA opto comp as well, it's an LA2a for 500. VERY power hungry so be aware of that. Or the Tubecore if you want an MU style. Also power hungry. IGS sells a 500 rack but no experience. But its made to host those hungry tube units. Actually already have the tube core, two of them in a matched pair. Is the ONE LA better or as good as the Chandler Opto or Acme Opticom?
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Post by Blackdawg on Jan 13, 2022 11:06:24 GMT -6
I have a Lindell 500 rack plus some TAC racks. the Lindell hasn't ever caused me issues and you can find them used for VERY affordable. So that's an option you might look at. Other wise, CAPI, TAC, or JLM would be my go to's. You could look at the IGS One LA opto comp as well, it's an LA2a for 500. VERY power hungry so be aware of that. Or the Tubecore if you want an MU style. Also power hungry. IGS sells a 500 rack but no experience. But its made to host those hungry tube units. Actually already have the tube core, two of them in a matched pair. Is the ONE LA better or as good as the Chandler Opto or Acme Opticom? oh cool ha I have the rack mount 3u tubecore. Really like it. Having some issues with mine but nothing crazy, just maintenance stuff. I honestly couldn't say, I haven't used any of those units sorry.
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Post by teejay on Jan 13, 2022 12:47:13 GMT -6
I had the Fredenstein Bento 6, first version, with an IGS OneLA in it along with several preamps/comps including an Avedis MA5. I found the power to be temperamental, and while the OneLA was a great unit I don't think I could get out of it what it could do due to the power capabilities of the Bento. The MA5 had a very quiet but noticable cycling tone when in the Bento regardless of slot or other modules at the same time. I ended up having to put the MA5 back into my A-Designs 500HR where it sounded great and had no issues. Can only attribute that to the Bento and its power supply. Eventually sold the Bento as well as the OneLA.
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Post by indiehouse on Jan 13, 2022 13:29:21 GMT -6
Always appreciate the suggestions but unfortunately in this case I don't have the time to build anything, I'm having to book two weeks holiday off later in the year just to practice / record. Pay someone to build it? It’s not terribly complicated. Jeff has a guy he recommends, I think. Cool thing is, the beefy PSU can power two racks, bringing the cost per slot down substantially. Otherwise, plenty of other great recommendations here.
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Post by bradd on Jan 13, 2022 13:31:31 GMT -6
Trace Audio and Resistance Audio are both companies that will build CAPI racks for you if they have them in stock.
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Post by svart on Jan 13, 2022 13:36:54 GMT -6
I have a CAPI rack and I can't imagine anything else being a better option. Yeah, it'll have to be built, but you'll never have to worry about it ever again.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2022 13:50:19 GMT -6
Three issues, I've already paid for an API 8 - slot, I'd have to get it imported (which costs a lot more than a local delivery) plus get stung by taxes, then I'd have to faff around finding someone to build it and in the end it'll cost more than just buying a decent off the shelf solution.
Pointless.. I might just get a refund and buy something from Thomann as they have stock of API / Neve / Wes Audio etc.
Edit: Just to note the reason I'm trying to get it from one place is I've put in about a very, very large order and I'm getting some serious bulk discounts. I got 400 Euro's or $458.00(ish) off a single API 5500 alone..
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jan 13, 2022 15:42:16 GMT -6
Three issues, I've already paid for an API 8 - slot, I'd have to get it imported (which costs a lot more than a local delivery) plus get stung by taxes, then I'd have to faff around finding someone to build it and in the end it'll cost more than just buying a decent off the shelf solution. Pointless.. I might just get a refund and buy something from Thomann as they have stock of API / Neve / Wes Audio etc. Edit: Just to note the reason I'm trying to get it from one place is I've put in about a very, very large order and I'm getting some serious bulk discounts. I got 400 Euro's or $458.00(ish) off a single API 5500 alone.. I'm going to pull a vintage purplesite.com move and suggest something that isn't what you asked. If you can do with 8 slots, the Cranborne 500ADAT has awesome specs, is arguably overbuilt, and includes ADAT I/O on every channel which... I'm not sure how I could ever go back to a rack without ADAT. Just a thought. EDIT: Further bonus is they're local to Ye Olde Country, Merrie Olde England.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2022 17:01:24 GMT -6
Three issues, I've already paid for an API 8 - slot, I'd have to get it imported (which costs a lot more than a local delivery) plus get stung by taxes, then I'd have to faff around finding someone to build it and in the end it'll cost more than just buying a decent off the shelf solution. Pointless.. I might just get a refund and buy something from Thomann as they have stock of API / Neve / Wes Audio etc. Edit: Just to note the reason I'm trying to get it from one place is I've put in about a very, very large order and I'm getting some serious bulk discounts. I got 400 Euro's or $458.00(ish) off a single API 5500 alone.. I'm going to pull a vintage purplesite.com move and suggest something that isn't what you asked. If you can do with 8 slots, the Cranborne 500ADAT has awesome specs, is arguably overbuilt, and includes ADAT I/O on every channel which... I'm not sure how I could ever go back to a rack without ADAT. Just a thought. EDIT: Further bonus is they're local to Ye Olde Country, Merrie Olde England. Yeah, y'know I looked at the Cranborne before the SSL sorta like a mini rack mixer. The SSL doesn't have ADAT, what's it like as just a 500 unit? You never know I might not get on with the SSL in the long run and I'd prefer not to absolutely destroy my relationship with my supplier by returning everything I just bought so.. Another option maybe?
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jan 13, 2022 17:08:17 GMT -6
I'm going to pull a vintage purplesite.com move and suggest something that isn't what you asked. If you can do with 8 slots, the Cranborne 500ADAT has awesome specs, is arguably overbuilt, and includes ADAT I/O on every channel which... I'm not sure how I could ever go back to a rack without ADAT. Just a thought. EDIT: Further bonus is they're local to Ye Olde Country, Merrie Olde England. Yeah, y'know I looked at the Cranborne before the SSL sorta like a mini rack mixer. The SSL doesn't have ADAT, what's it like as just a 500 unit? You never know I might not get on with the SSL in the long run and I'd prefer not to absolutely destroy my relationship with my supplier by returning everything I just bought so.. Another option maybe? Even without the ADAT I'd say it's probably one of the fuller featured 500 units out there. Includes summing, fantastic headphone amps (seriously, it's a great headphone amp), aux inputs and various mix options. Just a great piece of technology.
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Post by anders on Jan 14, 2022 11:45:38 GMT -6
Since you seem to be in Europe, I recommend looking into the 11 slot 500 racks from Total Audio Control. Very solid, and a hardcore power supply to boot. Cemal can build it for you for an additional fee. totalaudiocontrol.com/pr/show/8The Serpent Splice 500 is very nice. I wouldn't hesitate. Can't speak for the LA2A eqivalents you mention, but the JLM LA500 is not bad at all.
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Post by Tbone81 on Jan 14, 2022 12:26:29 GMT -6
I have a 10slot Fredenstein Bento, not the DS version though. It’s been great over the last 6 years or so. Zero issues. It replaced a 6slot Lindel that had to be replaced 3 times in 2 years due to a series of different problems.
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Post by Blackdawg on Jan 14, 2022 14:00:33 GMT -6
Since you seem to be in Europe, I recommend looking into the 11 slot 500 racks from Total Audio Control. Very solid, and a hardcore power supply to boot. Cemal can build it for you for an additional fee. totalaudiocontrol.com/pr/show/8The Serpent Splice 500 is very nice. I wouldn't hesitate. Can't speak for the LA2A eqivalents you mention, but the JLM LA500 is not bad at all. I have two of Cemal's TAC 511 Advanced racks. They are awesome. I don't know of a better unit with more I/O options. Would recommend. I know I recommended them to someone on here and they said Cemal was struggling to get metal for them. But hopefully that's changed.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2022 17:40:36 GMT -6
Thanks for the suggestions lots to chew on, edited my post because the Serpent Splice is according the USA disti hard to get hold of.. However, you know what I like opto's on snare, the 2A just ain't snappy enough to tame yet punch.. Hit too hard it can start sound a bit dull / small..
However, the Chandler TG has sharp mode.. Sorta made to get the best out of drums, parallel is in part with a Vari-MU and I have an SSL VCA if needed as well. So, I might be daring and go opto for the snare (already ordered one for vox). Thoughts?!
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Jan 14, 2022 18:23:02 GMT -6
Finally, if I can't get the API 5500 what would you suggest as a replacement? If I didn't own a 5500 I would pick up the Ironage Audioworks V2. There's a ton of information on it here or reach out to Matt directly.
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Jan 14, 2022 19:11:38 GMT -6
CAPI has stock of their rack kits right now. Probably won’t last long. Excellent choice. I went with one.
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Post by stratboy on Jan 14, 2022 23:05:21 GMT -6
I have a 10slot Fredenstein Bento, not the DS version though. It’s been great over the last 6 years or so. Zero issues. It replaced a 6slot Lindel that had to be replaced 3 times in 2 years due to a series of different problems. I’ve had pretty much the exact same experience. Bought the 10-slot non-digital Bento to replace a first generation Lindell 6-slot that failed twice. I now own a Bento2 as well and would have no hesitation buying more Bentos if I needed them.
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Post by ragan on Jan 14, 2022 23:33:14 GMT -6
Finally, if I can't get the API 5500 what would you suggest as a replacement? If I didn't own a 5500 I would pick up the Ironage Audioworks V2. There's a ton of information on it here or reach out to Matt directly. Good call 👍
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