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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2021 23:36:45 GMT -6
I'm looking for a decent pair of tracking headphones. Because I now track through HW channel strips I need to know (roughly) what's going on and that requires something a bit more accurate than your band cue mix headphones. Never got along with Sennheisers, had some HD650's and some cheaper closed back one's.. Previous tracking headphones were Beyer DT-770's and I'm using some ATH-R70X's for reference mixes.
Budget is about $500.00.
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Post by nnajar on Dec 31, 2021 1:05:34 GMT -6
Neumann. Once you get used to how they relate they are a fantastic tool.
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Post by Omicron9 on Jan 1, 2022 10:42:04 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2022 10:56:06 GMT -6
Thanks for the suggestions everyone, Neumann is on the list.. Quite a few not so great reviews which is intriguing but people rave about the HD 650's and I didn't get on with them, haven't checked out the Sony yet. Anyone come across the Yamaha HPH-MT8's? They've pretty much got stellar reviews across the board.
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Post by Guitar on Jan 1, 2022 11:21:49 GMT -6
I just use the HD6XX or the ATH-M50, no complaints. One open, the other closed.
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Post by teejay on Jan 1, 2022 12:13:47 GMT -6
I just use the HD6XX or the ATH-M50, no complaints. One open, the other closed. Exactly the same here. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jan 1, 2022 12:58:47 GMT -6
The Sony 7506 is bright, but nicely transparent. Mine work well for tracking.
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Post by superwack on Jan 1, 2022 13:25:45 GMT -6
I just use the HD6XX or the ATH-M50, no complaints. One open, the other closed. Me three: HD600 + ATH-M50 |
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Post by thehightenor on Jan 1, 2022 15:39:29 GMT -6
Still my go to models after 15 years!
Closed for tracking - Beyer DT250 - non hyped - non fatiguing.
Open for checking masters - Senny HD600's.
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Post by christopher on Jan 1, 2022 15:54:31 GMT -6
Currently I’m using Beyer 770 (16ohm). It’s closed and I love them, but click can still bleed and that bothers me for tracking. So for tracking I’m thinking trying in ears maybe? Tracking through HW helps so much it’s actually easier to dial a sound for me. But then I always test record/playback/adjust to judge settings so I don’t get tricked by the live stuff blended in.
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Post by reddirt on Jan 1, 2022 16:18:43 GMT -6
Beyer have a new 700 (closed back) which is a revamp of the 770 as I understand - might be worth a look
Not to diss other opinions but the much vaunted ATH M 50s have a pronounced bottom end which can be misleading. (assuming their signature is the same as when I owned them)
Cheers, Ross
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Post by Guitar on Jan 1, 2022 16:23:25 GMT -6
The ATH-M50 has a lot of bass, yes, but it's never been a problem for me. In fact I've even done some pretty good mixing on them!
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Post by srb on Jan 1, 2022 17:11:24 GMT -6
The ATH-M50 has a lot of bass, yes, but it's never been a problem for me. In fact I've even done some pretty good mixing on them! I always check mixes and masters on the ATH-M50. Good cans! |
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Post by ragan on Jan 1, 2022 17:18:35 GMT -6
I’ve never truly loved any cans, but the ones I keep coming back to using are the good ol’ AT m50s.
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Post by the other mark williams on Jan 1, 2022 17:55:29 GMT -6
I’ve never truly loved any cans, but the ones I keep coming back to using are the good ol’ AT m50s. You turned me on to those (now discontinued) Sennheiser HD6 'phones last year, dude, and I really enjoyed them this year. They're great tracking and location headphones. I got two sets, in fact. They do get a bit tight on the head, but that has to be part of their lack of bleed. |
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Post by ragan on Jan 1, 2022 18:53:25 GMT -6
I’ve never truly loved any cans, but the ones I keep coming back to using are the good ol’ AT m50s. You turned me on to those (now discontinued) Sennheiser HD6 'phones last year, dude, and I really enjoyed them this year. They're great tracking and location headphones. I got two sets, in fact. They do get a bit tight on the head, but that has to be part of their lack of bleed. Yes indeed! The HD6 are awesome. I still use them for anything loud. I didn’t recommend them just cause you can’t get them anymore. And the tightness on the head (which is worth the trade off to me when I want that isolation). I love their sound. Flat and beautiful. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2022 22:43:31 GMT -6
I’ve never truly loved any cans, but the ones I keep coming back to using are the good ol’ AT m50s. I'm actually really impressed with the Audio Technica ATH-R70X's, had them for about 4 years now and they weirdly sorta sound like the LYD 48's.. I still need reference monitors for an "in the room assessment" but they do translate back and forth without having to worry too much. I've had several pairs of open backs and the AT's just do the job for me. Absolutely useless for tracking though, they have zero filter from the outside world hence this thread. Also they need a very strong amp, my MOTU interface can't drive them loud enough.. |
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Post by reddirt on Jan 2, 2022 0:45:40 GMT -6
Yes, the R70 x's are a very nice can and super comfortable. The bottom end is very believable, the top end a little too polite for my tired ears (that's no fault of the can of course}/
Cheers, Ross
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Post by sirthought on Jan 2, 2022 8:12:22 GMT -6
I track with Sennheiser HD280-Pros. One of the most commonly found tracking headphones. Not too expensive and comfortable. Beyer 770 is nice too.
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Post by christopher on Jan 2, 2022 11:50:03 GMT -6
Other cans I use are Shure HD840 and Panasonic retro. The Shure’s are sort of 7506 / ATH 50, punchy low thump and bright highs. (be aware that most cans have a giant null somewhere in the highs on their charts, you can sweep to confirm and keep it in mind) The 770 are my go to for accuracy in the lows. Shure are ok for checking highs, ear fatigue is an issue it’s easy to listen too loud.. Both are a little bulky and make my ears hot in no time.
Panasonic are much easier on the ears, lighter on the head, and don’t get so damn hot. I really like the sound too, warm. Pretty cheap, they’ve lasted 13 years now.. however they aren’t accurate. 770 are better for that. Basically I figured get a few different cans that are good for different things.
(crap looks like Panasonic switched to Bluetooth a few years back, bummer)
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Post by vintagetubelug on Jan 3, 2022 1:21:25 GMT -6
As a drummer I can't live without my GK Ultraphones for tracking. Sony drivers inside a hearing protection enclosure that give 29db of attentuation. I know lots of bass players who love them too. If you're in the same room as the drums when tracking I can't recommend them highly enough. Gordy is the drummer for the Steve Miller Band and a great guy too. www.gk-music.com/product/ultraphones/ |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2022 7:44:14 GMT -6
Tried the Neumann's, didn't get along with them.. AT MTH 50's are good, not as accurate as the ATH-70x's but what do you expect from a closeback? Yamaha MPH-MT8's, usually don't say this but I was actually disappointed with them.. Despite quite a well balanced soundstage way too bass shy and very harsh upper mids.
My local pro audio shop that I've recently spent a fortune at are sending me a loan pair of Beyer DT 700 Pro X's with a high recommendation.
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Post by reddirt on Jan 5, 2022 19:08:32 GMT -6
Let us know about the 700 pro X's - if they've moderated the smiley curve and kept the comfort i'd be very interested.
Cheers, Ross
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Post by enlav on Jan 7, 2022 11:29:40 GMT -6
The Beyer 700 pro's are again bass light compared to the Audio Technica R70X's or my monitors (Dynaudio LYD 48's / Barefoot Foot Print 01's) which thump through your head or chest even at nominal volumes. It's sorta like you get harmonic resonance instead of fundamental frequencies with them, you can tell everything's there but there's no physical effect from it. They're a tad and I mean just a tiny bit bright but nothing like the Yammie's, then again I agree that the AT's are a bit "polite".. Apart from that they have an impressive soundstage, it's very easy to pick out instruments and there doesn't appear to be any major dips or a weird recessed stereo image like some of the Senny's do. I'd actually say it's easier to spot issues than the R70X's even if I wouldn't trust them as a mixing headphone (bass mainly).. Isolation is also very good.. Anyway, they're the best one's I've come across so far. Would you say they share HF qualities to the 770's? And how is the new fit? The pad-shape makes me think they would feel tighter than the 770/880/990 models..
Though the pads on these beyer's feel like they change with age dramatically, I recently replaced my 880's and it felt like they were smashing my head in comparison with the old, discolored pads.
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Post by anders on Jan 8, 2022 6:07:22 GMT -6
I really like the Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro for their balance between fidelity, long term wearing comfort (with glasses), easy on-off with no gimbal weirdness (looking at you, MDR-7506), and more or less isolation.
I've recently discovered the drummers' version of these, the DT770 M, which are great for some situations: The wear comfort is a bit lower, and the sound a bit more honky, but the isolation is insane, which means it is possible to get an idea of how things sound even fairly close to a guitar amp or drum kit. Other upsides are that headphone bleed is a lot lower, and that it is possible to monitor at more ear friendly levels while tracking. Though the normal DT 770s give a better representation of tonal balance, I think.
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