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Post by gwlee7 on Dec 26, 2021 14:18:00 GMT -6
I almost had a heart attack this morning when I thought I had crashed/deleted my hard drive. How isn’t so important as me not having anything backed up. If I had fucked up, I would have been fucked in terms music stuff as well as some other things. What would be a good external drive to get?
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Post by popmann on Dec 26, 2021 14:45:33 GMT -6
I will tell you after having a number of backup drives fail, i got spendy and got a Glyph Raid 1 system. Noisy as hell. Relativly slow, but i got the version with the industry stabdard Hitachi enterprise drives….i was a little disappointed to learn you cant just replace one if it fails….it has the individual status lights, but if/when one fails youre supposed to send it into Glyph for replacement….I figured like most hardware RAID, youd get whatever right spec drive and unplug the failed, and boot up with the new in and it would auto populate data from the good one.
Luckily, its been like 3+ years now and ihavent needed to test that.
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Post by Chad on Dec 26, 2021 15:29:26 GMT -6
On another note...
I've been producing media-related (Video/Web/Audio) projects for clients for over two decades. On my own workstation, I now use Backblaze and DropBox for the past 12 years. Because of these two in tandem, I don't even use RAIDs or have backup drives. If a drive dies (which happened a few months back), I simply restore from the cloud to a brand new drive.
Also, I've switched entirely to SSD's in the past year. I still have some standard USB drives on a shelf in a closet from past projects, but the only ones always connected to my iMac (and thus always backed up to Backblaze) are SSD's.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 26, 2021 16:09:37 GMT -6
On another note... I've been producing media-related (Video/Web/Audio) projects for clients for over two decades. On my own workstation, I now use Backblaze and DropBox for the past 12 years. Because of these two in tandem, I don't even use RAIDs or have backup drives. If a drive dies (which happened a few months back), I simply restore from the cloud to a brand new drive. Also, I've switched entirely to SSD's in the past year. I still have some standard USB drives on a shelf in a closet from past projects, but the only ones always connected to my iMac (and thus always backed up to Backblaze) are SSD's. Do you use the B2 storage on BB? I just recently got a new Mac and my license was for the other Mac of course. Once it hadn’t backed up for a week or so, the “safety froze” it. I had been using it to backup my boot drive and two other external drives…on the external drive, I would delete things that were over a year old because: I have Backblaze and it’s stored. That’s what it’s for, right? Well come to find out, they tell me that’s not what it’s for. I could transfer that license to my new computer, but not all the secondary drives. So I had to download years of different shit - because I would finish a job - it’s backed up - and I don’t need it locally anymore. If somebody asked for a fix from something I did a year ago, I’d just go to the date and download it. Major PITA. Now that I’m on the new computer, hopefully it should last another 6-10 years. So I might just do the same thing.
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Post by Chad on Dec 26, 2021 16:19:42 GMT -6
@johnkenn,
One issue I ran into with Backblaze this year was that my data storage was so HUGE (it seemed to be backing up everything and even keeping erased files) that there was some type of "directory" of sorts (as I understood it) which was bloating my internal apps/os-only drive.
I ended up pulling down EVERYTHING I wanted from the Backblaze cloud and then quit that old plan and started a brand new subscription plan. All in all, it took me about 10 days to do this, but since it was mostly "running in the background" while I worked, my active involvement was perhaps only 3-4 hours over that period of time.
It's been so long since I signed up for Backblaze, I had to just now go up and see what "B2" meant... No, I just did the "FREE" download when restoring.
I imagine, I'll probably want to restart a new subscription every couple of years now just to make sure I don't get bloated data taking up space on my internal OS/Apps drive. That's the ONLY issue I've noted with Backblaze. Otherwise, it's "set it, and forget it."
Chad
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Post by phdamage on Dec 26, 2021 16:27:00 GMT -6
Aside from numerous external drives, I use Backblaze for a cloud based backup and it has saved my ass twice in the last couple years (had a few external drives die). It’s like $9 a month and very worth it
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Post by Blackdawg on Dec 26, 2021 18:04:29 GMT -6
I'd just get a cradle to fit the trype of drives you want. Lots of options for 2.5/3.5 drive options that just click in. Use it. Cloud back it up. Once full. Pull it and shelf it.
I'd make it a point personally not to get massive drives. If it fails you loose more stuff. 1-2tb is fine and a lot of projects if you especially if you don't work in high resolution.
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Post by reddirt on Dec 26, 2021 20:41:21 GMT -6
Just bought a couple of Samsung SSD T7s (USB C ) in boxing day sale (different colours so I can tell 'em apart) $129 ea AUD for 500 gigs. haven't tried them but I'm sure they are fine for my needs. Will use them as main drives on a new Mac and back up to the on board as well as a 2 TB spinner. Cheers, Ross
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Post by mrholmes on Dec 26, 2021 21:04:52 GMT -6
I use the same 2 TB Samsung HD for Time Machine since 12 years never failed, and still works. Backblaze is mandatory in case everything fails.... best store service ever even if license transfer to new machine is a PITA...
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Post by ab101 on Dec 27, 2021 0:58:49 GMT -6
Thanks to a lot of you. I had not heard of Backblaze so I am glad to learn something here! Unlimited data! $7 month. WOW! Though I am in the habit of saving to multiple SSDS, and I will still do that as well. Archivists really know how to store data for the long term: library.si.edu/research/best-practices-storing-archiving-and-preserving-dataAnd then there is M-Disc which may last 1000 years (or your money back - just notify then after about 900 years. )
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Post by gwlee7 on Dec 27, 2021 1:59:14 GMT -6
Yes, Thanks for the recommendations. Backblaze at the minimum seems like one way to save it all.
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Post by theshea on Dec 27, 2021 2:23:26 GMT -6
i have a second HD in my macbook pro (took out the cd-rom drive). thats my FIRST backup which gets automatically backed up by timemachine. than i have a second external samsung HD on which at the end of the day i do a backup. i am not paranoid but i like to play safe! never have files lost!
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 27, 2021 3:09:31 GMT -6
The apple cloud is good and also relatively inexpensive.
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Post by sirthought on Dec 27, 2021 8:26:27 GMT -6
I have recently been trying to expand my system. Ideally I'd get a RAID system, but I'm just not bringing in enough business to justify that right now. (with paying for other gear at the moment.)
I have it where I have two backup drives for current work, and two drives for archive work. Anything that hasn't been touched in a year moves to the archive.
I have experienced some failures in the past with the portable drives that only run off USB power. I'm now leaning on enclosures that have their own power supply and I buy the NMVE SSD separately. These can often be faster than many of the current gen portable drives, and if your SSD fills up, you can just swap it out. And getting something with a heatsink can really help extend the life of the drive.
OWC and Sabrent are bigger names for enclosures, but really there are lots of brands that I'd never heard of that have thousands of positive reviews on Amazon. Just look for something with thunderbolt 3 or 4, so it can also be current USB compatible and somewhat more future proof.
Whether it's online or on physical media, just make sure you can be disciplined about backing up, so nothing is left to chance.
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Post by svart on Dec 27, 2021 12:36:02 GMT -6
WD black in an external enclosure. I also use two USB drives, one samsung, one sandisk. They all back up the same data drive.
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Post by howie on Dec 27, 2021 13:14:55 GMT -6
Just bought a couple of Samsung SSD T7s (USB C ) in boxing day sale (different colours so I can tell 'em apart) $129 ea AUD for 500 gigs. haven't tried them but I'm sure they are fine for my needs. Will use them as main drives on a new Mac and back up to the on board as well as a 2 TB spinner. Cheers, Ross I've been using one of these the past year - extremely fast - convenient - no glitches so far. I use the USB Type C -to-A cable - still really fast.
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Post by gwlee7 on Dec 27, 2021 18:02:46 GMT -6
Just bought a couple of Samsung SSD T7s (USB C ) in boxing day sale (different colours so I can tell 'em apart) $129 ea AUD for 500 gigs. haven't tried them but I'm sure they are fine for my needs. Will use them as main drives on a new Mac and back up to the on board as well as a 2 TB spinner. Cheers, Ross I've been using one of these the past year - extremely fast - convenient - no glitches so far. I use the USB Type C -to-A cable - still really fast. I just got one of these this afternoon.
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Post by javamad on Dec 27, 2021 19:35:06 GMT -6
On another note... I've been producing media-related (Video/Web/Audio) projects for clients for over two decades. On my own workstation, I now use Backblaze and DropBox for the past 12 years. Because of these two in tandem, I don't even use RAIDs or have backup drives. If a drive dies (which happened a few months back), I simply restore from the cloud to a brand new drive. Also, I've switched entirely to SSD's in the past year. I still have some standard USB drives on a shelf in a closet from past projects, but the only ones always connected to my iMac (and thus always backed up to Backblaze) are SSD's.
Have you actually used a Backblaze backup successfully? I had their service running for about 6 months and decided to do a test run and discovered that their app was leaving a large number of folders un-backed up and not alerting me so I cancelled their service and set up a local store quickly with Carbon Copy and now have a different cloud provider as well as the local Carbon Copy.
Moral of the story … don’t set and forget your backups … do a drill every 6 months
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Post by Chad on Dec 27, 2021 19:39:16 GMT -6
On another note... I've been producing media-related (Video/Web/Audio) projects for clients for over two decades. On my own workstation, I now use Backblaze and DropBox for the past 12 years. Because of these two in tandem, I don't even use RAIDs or have backup drives. If a drive dies (which happened a few months back), I simply restore from the cloud to a brand new drive. Also, I've switched entirely to SSD's in the past year. I still have some standard USB drives on a shelf in a closet from past projects, but the only ones always connected to my iMac (and thus always backed up to Backblaze) are SSD's.
Have you actually used a Backblaze backup successfully? I had their service running for about 6 months and decided to do a test run and discovered that their app was leaving a large number of folders un-backed up and not alerting me so I cancelled their service and set up a local store quickly with Carbon Copy and now have a different provider.
Moral of the story … don’t set and forget your backups … do a drill every 6 monthsThat's a great warning. I've been using Backblaze since 2012 (dropbox since around 2008), and when I first began using it, I did many tests to make sure I wasn't crazy for trusting their service. They've added some new features since that time, but it works basically the same as it did back then. And, yes, I agree... Make sure you understand how to retrieve your files before going too deep with their tool.
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Post by plinker on Dec 27, 2021 21:00:14 GMT -6
I use Time Machine for hourly incremental backups to an SSD (for speed).
I use a scheduled rsync command to duplicate my primary drive over to an HDD once a week. rsync synchronizes the source drive with the target drive, so after the initial sync it's pretty fast. Now that Windows supports unix shells, scheduling an rsync might work on it as well -- but I don't know Windows.
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Post by jeremygillespie on Dec 27, 2021 22:38:36 GMT -6
I don’t trust cloud storage. If it’s not on 3 drives that I’ve put it on, it’s not backed up.
Also, don’t run sessions off your main internal hard drive.
Programs are run off my internal hard drive.
Sessions are run on a main external / 2nd internal
Lunch / dinner break / end of the day - sessions are backed up via Chronosync to 2 seperate backup drives. One stays at the studio the other comes home with me and goes in the safe.
Once project is mastered I compile all your stuff on your drives, neatly labeled etc etc etc. Client now takes the master and backup drives and I keep your sessions for 2 years as a courtesy. After that it’s on you.
Never lost a file or session in over 15 years. Works for me 🤷🏻♂️
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Post by reddirt on Dec 27, 2021 23:09:11 GMT -6
No argument with your way of working Jeremy - sounds right to me , especially the 3 drives bit. I have 2 time machine drives which I institute after every major piece of work (could be after a good take or a major mix move) and definitely when taking a break Cheers, Ross
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Post by Quint on Feb 8, 2022 17:39:18 GMT -6
So I'm looking for an external backup HDD for the Mac Mini I'm getting ready to buy. I read this thread hoping to see a bunch of recommendations for hard drives, but it ended up mostly being about cloud based backup.
It's definitely inspired me to try the Backblaze thing as a redundant backup, but I still need an external drive for using with Timeline as a physical, onsite backup.
I think I'd like 4 or 5 TB, preferably with a USB-C connection. A spinner HDD would be fine for these duties. 7200 would be nice over 5400, so that it backups a little faster, but I suppose that isn't a must have requirement.
So what specific models are you guys using for Macs these days?
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Feb 8, 2022 17:50:29 GMT -6
I've used Carbon Copy Cloner for several years now. I do a DR run now and then and make sure I can boot from the backup of the Mini I use for my DAW.
That said, looking at Synology after hearing about it on the WCA podcast. Need a cloud solution and will check out Backblaze. I use Sync for manual stuff but I hate the auto-app tools DB and Sync and others use. They're always running and doubling your storage usage locally, IMHO.
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Post by stratboy on Feb 11, 2022 22:30:32 GMT -6
So I'm looking for an external backup HDD for the Mac Mini I'm getting ready to buy. I read this thread hoping to see a bunch of recommendations for hard drives, but it ended up mostly being about cloud based backup. It's definitely inspired me to try the Backblaze thing as a redundant backup, but I still need an external drive for using with Timeline as a physical, onsite backup. I think I'd like 4 or 5 TB, preferably with a USB-C connection. A spinner HDD would be fine for these duties. 7200 would be nice over 5400, so that it backups a little faster, but I suppose that isn't a must have requirement. So what specific models are you guys using for Macs these days? OWC has a new product that looks perfect for this. The OWC miniStack STX. Drive, TB hub and some e other ports in a mini-size enclosure that sits on top of your mini.
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