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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 17, 2021 14:35:24 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2021 15:50:13 GMT -6
Can't tell the difference, I'm on my MBP but if I have to go into the studio just to find out the subtle nuance between these two it probably didn't matter in the first place..
Sounds good to me either way John..
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Post by mrholmes on Dec 17, 2021 16:30:57 GMT -6
To my taste A has little more depth and dimension and for the reason it sounds more waht I would expect from modern productions... I did not check the levels I assumed you level matched them correctly....
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 17, 2021 17:39:14 GMT -6
To my taste A has little more depth and dimension and for the reason it sounds more waht I would expect from modern productions... I did not check the levels I assumed you level matched them correctly.... I actually mentioned in the first line they might not be level matched.
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Post by mrholmes on Dec 17, 2021 17:44:21 GMT -6
To my taste A has little more depth and dimension and for the reason it sounds more waht I would expect from modern productions... I did not check the levels I assumed you level matched them correctly.... I actually mentioned in the first line they might not be level matched. ADD Strike will listen tomorrow again... sorry
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Post by popmann on Dec 17, 2021 18:52:46 GMT -6
A, I assume, is the more dynamic master? The downside of that is that the snare is a bit loud and isolated compared to B in spots (nitpicky level)...the good side is that there's actually a little "downshift" (as there should be IMO) on the last line of the vocal down back to the drum loop.
I mean, honestly...kind of 6 of one-half dozen of the other. I prefer A...but, it's not like I think B is bad. It's just a little more limited--which makes the snare smaller and pushed back some...and makes the transition back to the drum machine a tad less emotional.
I feel like the ideal would be A...but, go back to the mix itself and turn the snare down say 2db...or maybe clip it a little--something that retains the bottom but pushes it back into the kit some.
First impression. Grain of salt.
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Post by bricejchandler on Dec 18, 2021 1:49:53 GMT -6
I level matched in Protools and I like B quite a bit better. It's a little brighter and scooped, slightly more agressive which makes the song more exciting to me, gives it more of a radio feel.
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Post by thehightenor on Dec 18, 2021 3:56:59 GMT -6
B sounds more like a finished mix/master - "radio ready" if you like.
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Post by drumsound on Dec 18, 2021 9:24:45 GMT -6
As many have said they are both good sounding and either would work in the real world. I feel like A is a little more or a classic, vocal featured mix (master?) and B has more muscle in the band, especially the drums. B has more hihat drive which makes it a little more exciting to me and seems a little more like a rock band mix. My taste goes to B, but A might be better for who I assume the target audience is.
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Post by tkaitkai on Dec 18, 2021 14:34:23 GMT -6
'B' by miles. They both sound great, but 'B' sounds finished. More polished, tighter. The snare comes forward and everything feels more cohesive and 3-dimensional. Pretty much every synonym for "better" you could throw at it.
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Post by mrholmes on Dec 18, 2021 14:45:40 GMT -6
I level matched as good as I can. A now sounds a bit more open but also has faster transients to my ear and that's what also Spectre tells me.
If I had it to put in words. A more modern, open sounding. B more vintage……
both are good ....
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Post by yewtreemagic on Dec 18, 2021 17:52:18 GMT -6
My take echos most others here - I prefer 'B' for its warmer balance, with a more closer/intimate vocal sound and beefier kick/snare. 'A' has a more delicate balance, and the cymbals also sound thinner and splashier.
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Post by jmoose on Dec 18, 2021 18:51:04 GMT -6
Assume we're evaluating & splitting hairs on mastering?
B seems ever so slightly wider... with the guitars & hihat spread further it gives the vocal more room. It also seems a pinch louder.
The bottom octave feels slightly fuller in A? And its a little more "compact" ?
Both sound great. Flip a coin? Hard to say from hearing just a chorus but probably B... which is revision 2?
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Post by ericn on Dec 18, 2021 22:18:41 GMT -6
Either will work but if we are going to split hairs I’m torn I want something in between the 2 simply because I could make either work and you asked!
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 19, 2021 13:49:18 GMT -6
Well, it wasn’t scientific at all…
A - was with the Stam 609 before the master and mastering plugs. Shaved off just around -2db on transients but still had the same mastering plugs I use as usual. So, kind of an attempt to see if it was a betterizer. I agree with some others it adds Some bottom and possibly just a little wider stereo field.
B - is my normal all plug-in mastering chain. Just without the hardware. Gotta be honest, I prefer this too. Much less of a pain in the ass. I bet I could adjust my “mastering” chain to where I like A better…but I’m just getting to the point that if it’s just six and one half dozen of the other, why bother? At least if it’s not a high budget thing.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2021 14:07:23 GMT -6
Well, it wasn’t scientific at all… A - was with the Stam 609 before the master and mastering plugs. Shaved off just around -2db on transients but still had the same mastering plugs I use as usual. So, kind of an attempt to see if it was a betterizer. I agree with some others it adds Some bottom and possibly just a little wider stereo field. B - is my normal all plug-in mastering chain. Just without the hardware. Gotta be honest, I prefer this too. Much less of a pain in the ass. I bet I could adjust my “mastering” chain to where I like A better…but I’m just getting to the point that if it’s just six and one half dozen of the other, why bother? At least if it’s not a high budget thing. Just out of curiosity what do you use on your plugin mastering chain?
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Post by chessparov on Dec 19, 2021 16:31:04 GMT -6
B!! Chris
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 19, 2021 16:39:47 GMT -6
I preferred A.
B fooled me for a few seconds, vocal more forward, but with A, you can hear all the sparkling guitar parts better, low level detail is better, soundstage is wider and has a better balance. B reminded me of my Apollo, good, but not great.
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Post by chessparov on Dec 19, 2021 17:20:49 GMT -6
I was thinking windows down, top down... Blasting it, in my old convertible! Chris
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Post by christopher on Dec 19, 2021 17:39:13 GMT -6
I didn’t get to post my thoughts earlier. All I was gonna say, B is a great mix, A is a great song. The weird thing about A, as soon as I heard it I heard superstar, the kind of song people watch football and drink beer to. However the engineer in me wanted better balance. B was much better in terms of balance, I preferred it right away except the song itself didn’t hit me the same. Kind of a bottle of wine, really fancy dinner date-night vibe. The kind of song you might fall in love to. This last step is where I always screw up, it’s so hard to balance what makes me happy, the artist, and the listener. Should probably take other’s advice. Great mix and song. Thanks for posting
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Post by Ward on Dec 19, 2021 18:45:14 GMT -6
Everyone here is going want to mix that a little bit differently but if the heart of the song comes across, it makes no difference.
I like both also, A a little bit better.
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Post by wiz on Dec 19, 2021 20:01:22 GMT -6
Well, it wasn’t scientific at all… A - was with the Stam 609 before the master and mastering plugs. Shaved off just around -2db on transients but still had the same mastering plugs I use as usual. So, kind of an attempt to see if it was a betterizer. I agree with some others it adds Some bottom and possibly just a little wider stereo field. B - is my normal all plug-in mastering chain. Just without the hardware. Gotta be honest, I prefer this too. Much less of a pain in the ass. I bet I could adjust my “mastering” chain to where I like A better…but I’m just getting to the point that if it’s just six and one half dozen of the other, why bother? At least if it’s not a high budget thing. I listened just now....I swear... LOL..before the reveal. B Cheers Wiz
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Post by the other mark williams on Dec 19, 2021 21:28:42 GMT -6
I level matched in Protools and I like B quite a bit better. It's a little brighter and scooped, slightly more agressive which makes the song more exciting to me, gives it more of a radio feel. First off, I have to admit I accidentally saw the results of what each mix was before I heard the clips.
Having said that, I completely, 100% agree with everything Brice says about the difference between the two, but as a result of those exact differences, I prefer A considerably! Like, very considerably.
Ha! I love your ears, though, Brice. Love the way you hear things.
And John, I would listen to this song regardless of which chain was used. B probably fits modern country radio better. I just prefer the A sound.
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Post by jmoose on Dec 19, 2021 21:40:10 GMT -6
Well, it wasn’t scientific at all… A - was with the Stam 609 before the master and mastering plugs. Shaved off just around -2db on transients but still had the same mastering plugs I use as usual. So, kind of an attempt to see if it was a betterizer. I agree with some others it adds Some bottom and possibly just a little wider stereo field. B - is my normal all plug-in mastering chain. Just without the hardware. Gotta be honest, I prefer this too. Much less of a pain in the ass. I bet I could adjust my “mastering” chain to where I like A better…but I’m just getting to the point that if it’s just six and one half dozen of the other, why bother? At least if it’s not a high budget thing. Interesting. I didn't pull the files in just played them and while I could hear an immediate difference, I wouldn't call anything night & day and had to listen a few times to really pinpoint what those differences were. If anything it might confirm (?) personal belief I've had for years that if I'm mixing ITB then going out to tag one or two pieces of hardware on the stereo? Not a difference maker & often more hassle then its worth. Without listening again I felt like the cymbals in particular had more separation... wider in B... and the vocal to guitar relationship was certainly a smidge different in each. But A, I guess the hardware had thicker lows & low mids? Possibly due to transformers? And also overall a little tighter dynamically... that "compact" thing? Either way its intriguing to see how wildly different people's interpretations of these are. Nice!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2021 22:00:45 GMT -6
B has more emotion. A is robbed of something. Sounds like it got remastered or something. Less weight but more punch. I don't like it. A is robbed of intimacy. Has those commercial country, almost glam, drums.
Scrolled down. A was hardware? A is bigger drums for sure but more detached, detract from the vocal. Is this supposed to be stadium sound? If so, A, if not B.
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