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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 7, 2021 20:45:55 GMT -6
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Dec 7, 2021 21:07:00 GMT -6
That looks pretty cool.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 8, 2021 0:21:49 GMT -6
16 channels of conversion too, wonder about price point ?
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Post by ragan on Dec 8, 2021 1:47:19 GMT -6
Says like 2800 GBP or something in that link.
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Post by wiz on Dec 8, 2021 2:21:57 GMT -6
Says like 2800 GBP or something in that link. Not as expensive as I first thought Cheers Wiz |
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 8, 2021 6:45:30 GMT -6
If under 5 g’s usd, ssl quality on fx and 16 channels of conversion it’s well specced and priced.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2021 7:08:21 GMT -6
Will be fierce competition for the upcoming Alice boards. I just wish this had more pres. If it had 8 and adat ins/outs I’d cop.
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Post by Tbone81 on Dec 8, 2021 8:28:39 GMT -6
Very interested to see what’s going on under the hood of this one.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2021 8:33:34 GMT -6
If under 5 g’s usd, ssl quality on fx and 16 channels of conversion it’s well specced and priced. I remember looking at an SSL XL-desk when I had the fancy for another console and it felt very cheaply made. I'm not entirely convinced about the quality portion of it.. |
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Post by enlav on Dec 8, 2021 9:09:10 GMT -6
I'm guessing USB drivers will be on par with the majority of USB interface manufacturers, right? (I'm assuming the SSL2 and SSL2+ were fairly standard in terms of stability and latency performance?)
The feature set seems pretty interesting... I'm surprised there's not an option of routing USB outs 1/2 to a stereo channel or cue, just for the sake of convenience in routing regular desktop playback to a single fader/pot and not two of the Super Analogue channels (basically for playback from other programs other than your DAW/NLE).
Looks really cool though. It definitely won't be for everyone, but I think for some - this product could be the most affordable solution for all their needs - 32 total I/O, EQ and compression, summing, and wow-factor.
If this came out when I was in school, I would have detassled/mowed lawns/bagged groceries/delivered newspapers all year for it.
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Post by yewtreemagic on Dec 8, 2021 9:14:12 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2021 9:25:27 GMT -6
If under 5 g’s usd, ssl quality on fx and 16 channels of conversion it’s well specced and priced. I remember looking at an SSL XL-desk when I had the fancy for another console and it felt very cheaply made. I'm not entirely convinced about the quality portion of it.. They’re new stuff is chinese plastic but hey it sounds great. can’t say the name for made in China focusrite and UA stuff or the Behringer made boards. Tascam used to sound great. Dunno what happened. Gibson? Yamaha feels rock solid yet only sounds solid, not really great. |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Dec 8, 2021 9:55:06 GMT -6
After having read the SOS review... I would have certainly built my project studio around this had I not taken the Apollo route a couple years ago. There are some limitations but I would have happily dealt with them.
For the type of music I make the name of this product almost be called "a full size console but only the portions of the console that you actually use to make your relatively simple music." The lack of ADAT hurts for hardware i/o but that's what aggregate devices are for.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Dec 8, 2021 9:59:23 GMT -6
Although, looking again... no transport controls. So I'd still need at least a single channel Faderport. I can never go back to mouse click transport when it comes to tracking myself especially.
What is it with SSL and transport controls in their last few offerings? It's like Steve Jobs and on/off buttons. C'mon guys! We're not all Buddhist minimalists, some of us like useful buttons.
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Post by svart on Dec 8, 2021 10:30:48 GMT -6
3K$..
Only 3 bands of EQ. One knob compressors on a couple channels. Seems like a real hack job
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Post by enlav on Dec 8, 2021 10:58:16 GMT -6
3K$.. Only 3 bands of EQ. One knob compressors on a couple channels. Seems like a real hack job I sort of view it in a different light.
Interface + Summing + (limited control) EQ/COMP.
If you have a young aspiring artist/engineer that sees "SSL" and goes "ooooooh-aaaaaah" I think this thing looks attractive as an all-in-one solution, especially if they won't benefit from additional control over processors.
I actually don't know why I'm playing devil's advocate though, since it's definitely not a product that interests me; I guess I just see things like this and think: "Boy, this would have been way better than the Teac mixer and Firewire Solo I started with."
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Dec 8, 2021 11:10:26 GMT -6
3K$.. Only 3 bands of EQ. One knob compressors on a couple channels. Seems like a real hack job I sort of view it in a different light.
Interface + Summing + (limited control) EQ/COMP.
If you have a young aspiring artist/engineer that sees "SSL" and goes "ooooooh-aaaaaah" I think this thing looks attractive as an all-in-one solution, especially if they won't benefit from additional control over processors.
I actually don't know why I'm playing devil's advocate though, since it's definitely not a product that interests me; I guess I just see things like this and think: "Boy, this would have been way better than the Teac mixer and Firewire Solo I started with."
That's how I see it as well. Not something I could make tremendous use of at this point, but if you were starting from "zero" and had the budget to do it this would be an awesome option. |
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Post by Tbone81 on Dec 8, 2021 11:21:50 GMT -6
3K$.. Only 3 bands of EQ. One knob compressors on a couple channels. Seems like a real hack job I think this thing kills for someone just starting out. My first setup was a Yamaha O1V and Motu 2408. It cost me more than $3k and wasn’t half as good. I could also see this being great for a mobile setup. With only a laptop and this small console you could accomplish quite a lot I think. |
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Post by Omicron9 on Dec 8, 2021 12:23:43 GMT -6
Although, looking again... no transport controls. So I'd still need at least a single channel Faderport. I can never go back to mouse click transport when it comes to tracking myself especially. What is it with SSL and transport controls in their last few offerings? It's like Steve Jobs and on/off buttons. C'mon guys! We're not all Buddhist minimalists, some of us like useful buttons. So very agreed. I couldn't believe that their two new small boards (can't think of the model numbers) had no transport controls. Based on that, I'm not surprised that this one is also missing them, but it seems like a bonehead decision on SSL's part. -09 |
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Post by schmalzy on Dec 8, 2021 12:29:32 GMT -6
Although, looking again... no transport controls. So I'd still need at least a single channel Faderport. I can never go back to mouse click transport when it comes to tracking myself especially. What is it with SSL and transport controls in their last few offerings? It's like Steve Jobs and on/off buttons. C'mon guys! We're not all Buddhist minimalists, some of us like useful buttons. So very agreed. I couldn't believe that their two new small boards (can't think of the model numbers) had no transport controls. Based on that, I'm not surprised that this one is also missing them, but it seems like a bonehead decision on SSL's part. -09 It feels like they're limiting the features here to encourage people to buy other components they've not released yet. I'm calling it now (partially because this is a scenario that would make me switch away from Apollo) in a year there will be an SSL BiG SiX+ with ADAT inputs, ability to chain multiple of the BiGSiX together via USB, and transport controls. |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Dec 8, 2021 12:31:46 GMT -6
So very agreed. I couldn't believe that their two new small boards (can't think of the model numbers) had no transport controls. Based on that, I'm not surprised that this one is also missing them, but it seems like a bonehead decision on SSL's part. -09 It feels like they're limiting the features here to encourage people to buy other components they've not released yet. I'm calling it now (partially because this is a scenario that would make me switch away from Apollo) in a year there will be an SSL BiG SiX+ with ADAT inputs, ability to chain multiple of the BiGSiX together via USB, and transport controls. That could very well be the tipping point. |
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Post by sirthought on Dec 9, 2021 21:35:31 GMT -6
I don't see how you could daisy chain these. They talked about cascading a SiX into a Big SiX, but I'm thinking that was partially analog connections. Can you daisy chain via USB?
This unit has similar sacrifices that SiX has. The compressor is extremely limited. The EQ isn't the EQ that SSL is known for. That makes both of these units not really the level you'd want to spend SSL money for.
I don't think the $3K is necessarily too much for a small format console, but there are zero direct outputs, so you are tied to their AD/DA and whatever latency that has. The interface is a great option, but it would have been easy to give someone the preamps, EQ, and compression that they do, AND include the option to send a signal out to another summing option, converters, or whatever pleases you.
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Post by schmalzy on Dec 10, 2021 0:29:28 GMT -6
I don't see how you could daisy chain these. They talked about cascading a SiX into a Big SiX, but I'm thinking that was partially analog connections. Can you daisy chain via USB? You can kind of do anything with USB as far as I understand it. If the software were written to accommodate it, a computer could could see two devices daisy-chained via USB the same way (through smart programming) MOTU's AVB allows a computer to see multiple devices daisy-chained via Ethernet cable, Dante allows a computer to see multiple devices via Ethernet cable, and the Apollo system allows a computer to see multiple devices daisy-chained via Thunderbolt cable. The specific sorts of data that travels through the connection doesn't REALLY matter as long as the connection method can keep up with the data throughput and everything else adheres to the connection method's standards. I think USB-C's data rates can pull it off if I remember correctly. Of course, I welcome the possibility that I've completely misunderstood how all this is happening. I'm just thinking about it from my not-too-terribly-recent programming past and what was possible way back when. |
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Post by sirthought on Dec 10, 2021 1:09:59 GMT -6
I don't see how you could daisy chain these. They talked about cascading a SiX into a Big SiX, but I'm thinking that was partially analog connections. Can you daisy chain via USB? You can kind of do anything with USB as far as I understand it. If the software were written to accommodate it, a computer could could see two devices daisy-chained via USB the same way (through smart programming) MOTU's AVB allows a computer to see multiple devices daisy-chained via Ethernet cable, Dante allows a computer to see multiple devices via Ethernet cable, and the Apollo system allows a computer to see multiple devices daisy-chained via Thunderbolt cable. The specific sorts of data that travels through the connection doesn't REALLY matter as long as the connection method can keep up with the data throughput and everything else adheres to the connection method's standards. I think USB-C's data rates can pull it off if I remember correctly. Of course, I welcome the possibility that I've completely misunderstood how all this is happening. I'm just thinking about it from my not-too-terribly-recent programming past and what was possible way back when. The ability to daisy chain with other protocol isn't at question. Any networking option is of course allowing for that. And Thunderbolt has had it baked in since day 1. USB has not, although not regarding capacity or speed, but how things transfer. But even more importantly, how would you do without the ports? SSL doesn't say which level of USB this is, but audio companies are routinely building the interfaces with USB 2.0, even if it's a USB-C jack. I know USB 4 is supposed to be more similar to TB. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 10, 2021 9:00:21 GMT -6
I plan to get a Mac Mini when the next gen is released. Thunderbolt has been solid since introduced. But I like the idea of analogue summing and if SSL's A/D-D/A is better than UAD's, then it's got me interested.
Sure I'd like separate converters, but the price tag just keeps going up and up every time I think on my gear wish list. If I sold my Apollo and bought a Quad Octo to run a few of their plugs, would I lose anything with USB?
I use Logic, I imagine I could put some plug-ins on a track then come out into the SSL for mixing, but would that cause latency issues since some tracks won't have any plugs? Or does Logic automatically compensate?
I do occasionally print some UAD effects when tracking, but it's no big deal doing without that, besides, I'd like to get an outboard compressor for tracking vocals anyway.
I already have the Dizengoff D4 and Stam SA-73 preamps and would probably add a couple more over time.
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