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Post by the other mark williams on Dec 7, 2021 21:07:03 GMT -6
I really do like Logic a lot, and have been using it for a long time, but Reaper (which I otherwise don't like very much) absolutely beats Logic in CPU efficiency. Like, kills it. To be fair, it kills everything else in that category, too. Interesting. Reaper is what I use for my main job but I've never used it for music production. I should give it a shot. If you like it for your other work, you may very well like it for music production, too. It is wicked efficient, which is why so many of the Acustica user camp laud it to the rafters. But at least in my world (and I imagine in yours, as well), there are more things to consider when choosing a DAW than merely, "is it efficient?" I like the way Logic feels. I really do like Logic a lot, and have been using it for a long time, but Reaper (which I otherwise don't like very much) absolutely beats Logic in CPU efficiency. Like, kills it. To be fair, it kills everything else in that category, too. Agree! I ventured into Reaper for a bit when I was using iZotope Iris 2 and PT came to a screeching halt when trying to run more than a few voices. Reaper handled it no problem. I was pretty blown away by its low CPU utilization. The thing I had against Reaper is it felt like a very steep learning curve to get going but once I had a handle on it, it was much faster for music produciton. I didn't really care for it for mixing because of all the extra setup you had to do to get VCAs working. And it also didn't play nicely with slate trigger at the time. I would imagine that's better now. Tim, do you think it's because Reaper is just so much newer? As in, no legacy code bogging things down? Or a lack of features (I'm thinking of all the instruments, etc. that come with something like Logic or Cubase)? Who knows, I guess...
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Post by tim on Dec 7, 2021 22:00:04 GMT -6
Interesting. Reaper is what I use for my main job but I've never used it for music production. I should give it a shot. If you like it for your other work, you may very well like it for music production, too. It is wicked efficient, which is why so many of the Acustica user camp laud it to the rafters. But at least in my world (and I imagine in yours, as well), there are more things to consider when choosing a DAW than merely, "is it efficient?" I like the way Logic feels. Agree! I ventured into Reaper for a bit when I was using iZotope Iris 2 and PT came to a screeching halt when trying to run more than a few voices. Reaper handled it no problem. I was pretty blown away by its low CPU utilization. The thing I had against Reaper is it felt like a very steep learning curve to get going but once I had a handle on it, it was much faster for music produciton. I didn't really care for it for mixing because of all the extra setup you had to do to get VCAs working. And it also didn't play nicely with slate trigger at the time. I would imagine that's better now. Tim, do you think it's because Reaper is just so much newer? As in, no legacy code bogging things down? Or a lack of features (I'm thinking of all the instruments, etc. that come with something like Logic or Cubase)? Who knows, I guess... +1 on the way Logic feels. Reaper is so user configurable that it's a bit of a double-edge sword in that you can spend so much time just setting it up and customizing it. Logic just seems to flow. I think Justin Frankel is a damn good developer and he built Reaper all from the ground up from what I understand, so no bloated libraries or multiple levels of abstraction in the code. I've built a very rudimentary daw of my own and the audio engine logic isn't very complicated. It's all the UI stuff that gets really ugly really fast and dealing with plug-ins.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 8, 2021 6:51:11 GMT -6
I switched from pro tools to logic about 5 years ago and dabbled a bit in Studio one about 3 years ago, but hung with logic cus I just get stufff done and like it’s workflow.
I didn’t see the point of learning Studio one or Luna when I am productive in logic.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2021 7:14:02 GMT -6
If you like it for your other work, you may very well like it for music production, too. It is wicked efficient, which is why so many of the Acustica user camp laud it to the rafters. But at least in my world (and I imagine in yours, as well), there are more things to consider when choosing a DAW than merely, "is it efficient?" I like the way Logic feels. Tim, do you think it's because Reaper is just so much newer? As in, no legacy code bogging things down? Or a lack of features (I'm thinking of all the instruments, etc. that come with something like Logic or Cubase)? Who knows, I guess... +1 on the way Logic feels. Reaper is so user configurable that it's a bit of a double-edge sword in that you can spend so much time just setting it up and customizing it. Logic just seems to flow. I think Justin Frankel is a damn good developer and he built Reaper all from the ground up from what I understand, so no bloated libraries or multiple levels of abstraction in the code. I've built a very rudimentary daw of my own and the audio engine logic isn't very complicated. It's all the UI stuff that gets really ugly really fast and dealing with plug-ins. Justin’s a beast but Reaper still has its own weirdness and the cult like apologists for many of its poorer functions. As a digital mixing console and glorified tape machine, it’s pretty unmatched. Throw on your own plugs and rock! They also fixed a lot of what made reaper crash too in version 6. It used to crash… every day. Multiple times. Now it’s gold.
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Post by Ward on Dec 8, 2021 7:32:46 GMT -6
I've recently returned to using Logic, after a 25 year departure, and am using it as a supplement to PTHD.
I run it on a separate computer - an iMac with only 8GB of ram, and use it for some of the Flex tune/time functions and virtual instruments. No issues whatsoever.
Haven't tapped into 10% of it yet, but certain I'll slowly uncover more fun production stuff. PTHD is still the 'desk' I work at.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Dec 8, 2021 9:56:42 GMT -6
I've recently returned to using Logic, after a 25 year departure, and am using it as a supplement to PTHD. I run it on a separate computer - an iMac with only 8GB of ram, and use it for some of the Flex tune/time functions and virtual instruments. No issues whatsoever. Haven't tapped into 10% of it yet, but certain I'll slowly uncover more fun production stuff. PTHD is still the 'desk' I work at. I'm curious what you mean by this. Are you saying that you are using Logic for VI's and routing them into PT to be tracked? Or are you actually tracking in Logic and then bouncing out to PT?
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Post by Ward on Dec 8, 2021 14:55:53 GMT -6
I've recently returned to using Logic, after a 25 year departure, and am using it as a supplement to PTHD. I run it on a separate computer - an iMac with only 8GB of ram, and use it for some of the Flex tune/time functions and virtual instruments. No issues whatsoever. Haven't tapped into 10% of it yet, but certain I'll slowly uncover more fun production stuff. PTHD is still the 'desk' I work at. I'm curious what you mean by this. Are you saying that you are using Logic for VI's and routing them into PT to be tracked? Or are you actually tracking in Logic and then bouncing out to PT? I port tracks over and work on them. Logic has much better midi functions IMHE. Plus, sometimes I will port over a board mix without keys and work on the keys in logic, convert them to stereo audiotracks, individually, and then port them back. #macliferocks
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Dec 8, 2021 15:28:29 GMT -6
I'm curious what you mean by this. Are you saying that you are using Logic for VI's and routing them into PT to be tracked? Or are you actually tracking in Logic and then bouncing out to PT? I port tracks over and work on them. Logic has much better midi functions IMHE. Plus, sometimes I will port over a board mix without keys and work on the keys in logic, convert them to stereo audiotracks, individually, and then port them back. #macliferocks Interesting. I've considered doing this but it just seems like too much work. Like the work involved would outstrip the efficiency gained ( also like Logic's midi functions). But I've never tried it.
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Post by christopher on Dec 8, 2021 17:59:56 GMT -6
I really like logic, it feels modern. If it worked on every system I own I'd switch to it. I like the idea of LUNA too. One gotcha.. its Mac, owned by Apple. I recently deleted Garageband off my macbook so I could have some extra space for one day while I organized backups, then figured I'd re-install it. Nope! I'm now garageband-less, clients have to text me pics of their automation in GB! I can't install it unless I upgrade to the new OS, which my HD doesn't even have enough room to download. So, you know how it goes, am I going to buy a drive and backup the gigs I need to delete? Then download the new OS, etc.. Or just get a new Macbook?
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Post by tim on Dec 8, 2021 22:55:50 GMT -6
So do you guys print or bounce mixes in Logic? I've been playing around with both. The bounce seems to cause the meters to slow down. I'm doing realtime bounces since I'm running hybrid.
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Post by the other mark williams on Dec 9, 2021 0:09:16 GMT -6
So do you guys print or bounce mixes in Logic? I've been playing around with both. The bounce seems to cause the meters to slow down. I'm doing realtime bounces since I'm running hybrid. I usually do bounces: realtime if I’m using outboard, non-realtime if it’s all ITB.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 9, 2021 4:38:52 GMT -6
Mostly bounce RT. Then all bounces are in the session’s bounce sub folder , which is convenient.
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Post by wiz on Dec 9, 2021 7:27:21 GMT -6
Mostly real-time as I use a bricasti
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Post by mjheck on Dec 9, 2021 17:02:37 GMT -6
Real time if using outboard, off line if not (I can use more Nebula instances and run TDL plugs in insane mode as much as I wish this way).
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Post by sirthought on Dec 9, 2021 17:30:12 GMT -6
More Bounce for the Ounce
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 9, 2021 18:07:35 GMT -6
Mostly bounce RT. Then all bounces are in the session’s bounce sub folder , which is convenient. uhh.. I didn't know there was a bounce subfolder..
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 9, 2021 18:48:59 GMT -6
In each of your sessions, or if you want to attach a logic mp3, try it and you should be able to select the bounce folder.
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Post by sirthought on Dec 9, 2021 20:21:17 GMT -6
Mostly bounce RT. Then all bounces are in the session’s bounce sub folder , which is convenient. uhh.. I didn't know there was a bounce subfolder.. There has been for a while. Very convenient
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Post by mjheck on Dec 10, 2021 8:15:43 GMT -6
As per above, I guess you need to be aware that Logic can save as a project or folder. Folder is much easier to see contents and the aforementioned bounce folder. if it is a "project" (if I have that right) it hides all the content. I guess it looks cleaner but I find that to be a bit of a pain in the ass. I would be interested to hear if anyone prefers that, and for what reasons I may be overlooking.
MJH
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 10, 2021 8:32:57 GMT -6
I like folders for the same reason: same, if you are looking for a clip all there in a sub-folder.
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Post by chipbuttie on Dec 10, 2021 18:02:08 GMT -6
If you Save as a project and control click on the project icon it will show you the sub folders within that project and you can access the audio files folder etc
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 10, 2021 18:24:44 GMT -6
Good to know, thx, how do you attach bounced files from a project rather than a folder ?
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Post by chipbuttie on Dec 10, 2021 19:17:07 GMT -6
Do you mean import bounced file from a project into a different project? It's not something I usually do but I guess you would need to move that one file to another destination. I forget to mention- when you right click on the project icon, you will get a drop down menu, select "show package contents"
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