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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 25, 2021 15:15:28 GMT -6
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Post by Blackdawg on Oct 25, 2021 15:40:40 GMT -6
haven't watched that yet. But I still remember using a real 140 with great great fondness that no plugin has been able to fully match. It was wonderful. I imagine working with the real Chambers at Capitol is the same.
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Post by Mister Chase on Oct 25, 2021 16:53:13 GMT -6
I do like the plugins, honestly.
But the real thing has a kind of 3d effect that is hard to describe. Seems a little more alive, maybe.
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Post by notneeson on Oct 25, 2021 16:57:24 GMT -6
Haven’t listened yet, but I was running some spacey guitars through an EMT gold foil plate the other day and it’s was really cool.
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Post by bossanova on Oct 25, 2021 18:28:04 GMT -6
I've never heard a plate plug-in really sound like a physical plate. Some of them get in the ballpark but I think the real thing is just too complex. Of course, there are many digital plates that sound good on their own merits.
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Post by maldenfilms on Oct 25, 2021 20:52:26 GMT -6
haven't watched that yet. But I still remember using a real 140 with great great fondness that no plugin has been able to fully match. It was wonderful. I imagine working with the real Chambers at Capitol is the same. It's funny you mention this... recently, I was lucky enough to work at Capitol. My day job is in advertising and we were recording some original music for a few spots. Anyways, a few sessions musicians in, we had a classical guitar player who asked for some reverb in his headphones. I had been waiting all morning for the moment we'd be able to use one of the chambers, and this was finally it. After a few minutes of futzing around, the engineer told us that there was some kind of routing issue and rather than hold things up, we should just pull up a plugin. I paused for a second and then asked, "you mean, the UAD Capitol Chambers plugin?" He said yes, it's the default reverb plugin there. We all had a good laugh at the irony that here we are, literally on top of the most famous chambers in the world, and we're using the plugin. The engineer also told us point blank that they had done a bunch of A/B testing and could not tell the difference between the two, that's how good they are. That's my funny audio story. I figured y'all might appreciate it. And Drew @ UA might as well.  |
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Post by Drew @ UA on Oct 26, 2021 6:50:56 GMT -6
haven't watched that yet. But I still remember using a real 140 with great great fondness that no plugin has been able to fully match. It was wonderful. I imagine working with the real Chambers at Capitol is the same. It's funny you mention this... recently, I was lucky enough to work at Capitol. My day job is in advertising and we were recording some original music for a few spots. Anyways, a few sessions musicians in, we had a classical guitar player who asked for some reverb in his headphones. I had been waiting all morning for the moment we'd be able to use one of the chambers, and this was finally it. After a few minutes of futzing around, the engineer told us that there was some kind of routing issue and rather than hold things up, we should just pull up a plugin. I paused for a second and then asked, "you mean, the UAD Capitol Chambers plugin?" He said yes, it's the default reverb plugin there. We all had a good laugh at the irony that here we are, literally on top of the most famous chambers in the world, and we're using the plugin. The engineer also told us point blank that they had done a bunch of A/B testing and could not tell the difference between the two, that's how good they are. That's my funny audio story. I figured y'all might appreciate it. And Drew @ UA might as well. Indeed!!! We spent a lot of time down there and worked VERY closely with Steve and Al to "get it right". It's amazing!!! BTW, look for more of these "iconic" projects from us in the future. It's this kind of "digital preservation" that we're into now. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 26, 2021 6:58:13 GMT -6
It’s a great plug in.
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 26, 2021 7:00:37 GMT -6
It's funny you mention this... recently, I was lucky enough to work at Capitol. My day job is in advertising and we were recording some original music for a few spots. Anyways, a few sessions musicians in, we had a classical guitar player who asked for some reverb in his headphones. I had been waiting all morning for the moment we'd be able to use one of the chambers, and this was finally it. After a few minutes of futzing around, the engineer told us that there was some kind of routing issue and rather than hold things up, we should just pull up a plugin. I paused for a second and then asked, "you mean, the UAD Capitol Chambers plugin?" He said yes, it's the default reverb plugin there. We all had a good laugh at the irony that here we are, literally on top of the most famous chambers in the world, and we're using the plugin. The engineer also told us point blank that they had done a bunch of A/B testing and could not tell the difference between the two, that's how good they are. That's my funny audio story. I figured y'all might appreciate it. And Drew @ UA might as well. Indeed!!! We spent a lot of time down there and worked VERY closely with Steve and Al to "get it right". It's amazing!!! BTW, look for more of these "iconic" projects from us in the future. It's this kind of "digital preservation" that we're into now. Well well |
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Post by Mister Chase on Oct 26, 2021 7:38:51 GMT -6
It's funny you mention this... recently, I was lucky enough to work at Capitol. My day job is in advertising and we were recording some original music for a few spots. Anyways, a few sessions musicians in, we had a classical guitar player who asked for some reverb in his headphones. I had been waiting all morning for the moment we'd be able to use one of the chambers, and this was finally it. After a few minutes of futzing around, the engineer told us that there was some kind of routing issue and rather than hold things up, we should just pull up a plugin. I paused for a second and then asked, "you mean, the UAD Capitol Chambers plugin?" He said yes, it's the default reverb plugin there. We all had a good laugh at the irony that here we are, literally on top of the most famous chambers in the world, and we're using the plugin. The engineer also told us point blank that they had done a bunch of A/B testing and could not tell the difference between the two, that's how good they are. That's my funny audio story. I figured y'all might appreciate it. And Drew @ UA might as well. Indeed!!! We spent a lot of time down there and worked VERY closely with Steve and Al to "get it right". It's amazing!!! BTW, look for more of these "iconic" projects from us in the future. It's this kind of "digital preservation" that we're into now. I love that plug. So good. |
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Post by Blackdawg on Oct 26, 2021 10:32:24 GMT -6
haven't watched that yet. But I still remember using a real 140 with great great fondness that no plugin has been able to fully match. It was wonderful. I imagine working with the real Chambers at Capitol is the same. It's funny you mention this... recently, I was lucky enough to work at Capitol. My day job is in advertising and we were recording some original music for a few spots. Anyways, a few sessions musicians in, we had a classical guitar player who asked for some reverb in his headphones. I had been waiting all morning for the moment we'd be able to use one of the chambers, and this was finally it. After a few minutes of futzing around, the engineer told us that there was some kind of routing issue and rather than hold things up, we should just pull up a plugin. I paused for a second and then asked, "you mean, the UAD Capitol Chambers plugin?" He said yes, it's the default reverb plugin there. We all had a good laugh at the irony that here we are, literally on top of the most famous chambers in the world, and we're using the plugin. The engineer also told us point blank that they had done a bunch of A/B testing and could not tell the difference between the two, that's how good they are. That's my funny audio story. I figured y'all might appreciate it. And Drew @ UA might as well. ha thats funny. That's the only plugin I've considered buying from UAD. But then I'd have to haul around a UAD accelerator. Which is the ultimate irony of UAD plugins is that they are just digital hardware. You have to have a piece of their hardware to use anything from them. So it's a bit better than real hardware, but in a lot of ways just as limited. So I remain UAD free.. I also know that you have to book the real chambers as obviously there is a limited number of them. So they are usually scheduled out to certain studios and projects. |
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Emt 140
Oct 26, 2021 10:36:40 GMT -6
Post by jaba on Oct 26, 2021 10:36:40 GMT -6
I've only ever had access to one real plate (EMT) but I've used it a lot.
If I'm tracking at that studio but mixing elsewhere, I'll usually send something to it while transferring tapes to ProTools in case it comes in handy.
I once tried to match the Waves plate to the EMT I'd recorded at the studio.
After matching the decay as best I could (I believe I ended up using the A plate) and a slight be of EQ, I felt it was damn close in many ways.
But there was an effortless depth to the EMT that was obviously lacking in this plug.
Depending on how it was used in a mix, I felt the difference could be a non-issue, but other times that depth could make all the difference.
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Post by rowmat on Oct 26, 2021 11:37:50 GMT -6
It's funny you mention this... recently, I was lucky enough to work at Capitol. My day job is in advertising and we were recording some original music for a few spots. Anyways, a few sessions musicians in, we had a classical guitar player who asked for some reverb in his headphones. I had been waiting all morning for the moment we'd be able to use one of the chambers, and this was finally it. After a few minutes of futzing around, the engineer told us that there was some kind of routing issue and rather than hold things up, we should just pull up a plugin. I paused for a second and then asked, "you mean, the UAD Capitol Chambers plugin?" He said yes, it's the default reverb plugin there. We all had a good laugh at the irony that here we are, literally on top of the most famous chambers in the world, and we're using the plugin. The engineer also told us point blank that they had done a bunch of A/B testing and could not tell the difference between the two, that's how good they are. That's my funny audio story. I figured y'all might appreciate it. And Drew @ UA might as well. ha thats funny. That's the only plugin I've considered buying from UAD. But then I'd have to haul around a UAD accelerator. Which is the ultimate irony of UAD plugins is that they are just digital hardware. You have to have a piece of their hardware to use anything from them. So it's a bit better than real hardware, but in a lot of ways just as limited. So I remain UAD free.. I also know that you have to book the real chambers as obviously there is a limited number of them. So they are usually scheduled out to certain studios and projects. Now that’s funny. Wait until you have to haul around an actual EMT140! 🥴 |
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Post by bgrotto on Oct 26, 2021 12:19:05 GMT -6
My buddy Brian Charles has a company called Rare Signals that make a plate plugin called Transatlantic. It's excellent. So good, in fact, that when he sent me an NFR to try out, I was able to correctly identify one of the plates he used, because I've got two of the same model at my studio and it sounded just like what happens when I turn up aux send 1 on my desk. The other model in the plug is a 140, which I have much more limited experience using, but frankly, I prefer the ones I've got (a pair of Audicon / Lawson THE PLATE) to the 140s I've used anyhow, due to their much quieter operation and superior HF extension and characteristic.
Anywho, at least one half of Brian's plugin is nailing it.
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Post by Mister Chase on Oct 26, 2021 12:27:16 GMT -6
Very cool.
I talked to a fella I won't name who is a producer, had worked with folks like Stevie Nicks etc... used to own the EMT 140 that the Beach Boys had used - once he got the UAD 140, he sold the real 140 to a university. He said it sounded just like it.
I've never compared, myself.
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Post by jmoose on Oct 26, 2021 15:31:38 GMT -6
I've used several real EMT plates... have done the A/B test with the UAD140 to a couple of 'em.
Basically after a couple tweaks to each its impossible to tell the difference.
Had a conversation with David Torn who said the same thing. The UAD 140? They basically nailed it.
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Post by jmoose on Oct 26, 2021 15:35:11 GMT -6
Indeed!!! We spent a lot of time down there and worked VERY closely with Steve and Al to "get it right". It's amazing!!! BTW, look for more of these "iconic" projects from us in the future. It's this kind of "digital preservation" that we're into now. Lemme know when ya'll get around to doing a PCM42. Its basically the one big mama jama delay that's missing from the UAD lineup... And please keep the size reasonable, not like 77% of a core per instance! |
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Post by ericn on Oct 26, 2021 15:36:02 GMT -6
It's funny you mention this... recently, I was lucky enough to work at Capitol. My day job is in advertising and we were recording some original music for a few spots. Anyways, a few sessions musicians in, we had a classical guitar player who asked for some reverb in his headphones. I had been waiting all morning for the moment we'd be able to use one of the chambers, and this was finally it. After a few minutes of futzing around, the engineer told us that there was some kind of routing issue and rather than hold things up, we should just pull up a plugin. I paused for a second and then asked, "you mean, the UAD Capitol Chambers plugin?" He said yes, it's the default reverb plugin there. We all had a good laugh at the irony that here we are, literally on top of the most famous chambers in the world, and we're using the plugin. The engineer also told us point blank that they had done a bunch of A/B testing and could not tell the difference between the two, that's how good they are. That's my funny audio story. I figured y'all might appreciate it. And Drew @ UA might as well. Indeed!!! We spent a lot of time down there and worked VERY closely with Steve and Al to "get it right". It's amazing!!! BTW, look for more of these "iconic" projects from us in the future. It's this kind of "digital preservation" that we're into now. I think the key here Drew is “we spent time.. to get it right.” Others look at the investment of license as the bigger piece than getting it right and delivering on the investment. |
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Post by deaconblues on Oct 26, 2021 16:04:28 GMT -6
It's funny you mention this... recently, I was lucky enough to work at Capitol. My day job is in advertising and we were recording some original music for a few spots. Anyways, a few sessions musicians in, we had a classical guitar player who asked for some reverb in his headphones. I had been waiting all morning for the moment we'd be able to use one of the chambers, and this was finally it. After a few minutes of futzing around, the engineer told us that there was some kind of routing issue and rather than hold things up, we should just pull up a plugin. I paused for a second and then asked, "you mean, the UAD Capitol Chambers plugin?" He said yes, it's the default reverb plugin there. We all had a good laugh at the irony that here we are, literally on top of the most famous chambers in the world, and we're using the plugin. The engineer also told us point blank that they had done a bunch of A/B testing and could not tell the difference between the two, that's how good they are. That's my funny audio story. I figured y'all might appreciate it. And Drew @ UA might as well. Indeed!!! We spent a lot of time down there and worked VERY closely with Steve and Al to "get it right". It's amazing!!! BTW, look for more of these "iconic" projects from us in the future. It's this kind of "digital preservation" that we're into now. That's really great news. I am amazed at the Capitol Chambers plugin almost daily; I don't think anything else comes close!. It's become totally indispensable for me, so anything else along these lines will be both purchased and appreciated! |
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Post by notneeson on Oct 26, 2021 17:54:57 GMT -6
In my experience the thing about an EMT gold foil, or the Wally Heider chambers at Hyde Street, is that they bring such a sense of fun and adventure to a session, it really gets the players excited and that can be invaluable.
And yes, there are some great reverb plugins out there. The latest for me is the IK Sunset plug, I am using those rooms all the time since getting it.
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Emt 140
Oct 27, 2021 12:24:38 GMT -6
Post by Blackdawg on Oct 27, 2021 12:24:38 GMT -6
ha thats funny. That's the only plugin I've considered buying from UAD. But then I'd have to haul around a UAD accelerator. Which is the ultimate irony of UAD plugins is that they are just digital hardware. You have to have a piece of their hardware to use anything from them. So it's a bit better than real hardware, but in a lot of ways just as limited. So I remain UAD free.. I also know that you have to book the real chambers as obviously there is a limited number of them. So they are usually scheduled out to certain studios and projects. Now that’s funny. Wait until you have to haul around an actual EMT140! 🥴 HA! so true. I guess my point was more, if I buy a plugin Im buying it to be portable and easy/recall, ect. Not to be "shackled" to a piece of hardware. Especially a digital piece of hardware that goes out of date faster than a block of concrete trying to swim. An EMT140 works like it did in 1960. That makes it worth it. I do have a bead on a Echo Plate II that I hope to have one day. And it'll be special to have but I won't be hauling that thing around to gigs haha |
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Post by jmoose on Oct 27, 2021 22:41:16 GMT -6
In my experience the thing about an EMT gold foil, or the Wally Heider chambers at Hyde Street, is that they bring such a sense of fun and adventure to a session, it really gets the players excited and that can be invaluable. That's one of the reasons to book a nice facility... having access to all the rad toys & infrastructure that isn't found in the average small / home studio. Those things can be extremely inspiring... real plates... playing a real piano or B3 instead of a sample... track a well maintained drum kit vs Vdrums... guitar amps displacing air vs DI tracks... The gear doesn't matter anymore. Yet, it absolutely matters. Inspiration matters. |
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Emt 140
Oct 28, 2021 16:02:02 GMT -6
Post by veggieryan on Oct 28, 2021 16:02:02 GMT -6
I own a real EMT 140 and unfortunately no plugin or digital device comes even remotely close to its sound if it is a central or important part of the tone you are seeking.
That being said, the closest I have used is the new UAFX Golden Reverberator pedal. As I understand it, it is essentially like the next generation of UAD using new modeling algorithms on more powerful DSP chips which means they don't have to do the usual optimization and paring down required to run on the older UAD2 sharc chips. The result is a much more dynamic, realistic and believable EMT 140 emulation than the UAD2 plugin version to my ear. Most plate plugins sound very "static" like its a single snapshot of an impulse response that is just repeating on a loop. The springs on the Golden Reverberator are also the best digital springs I have ever heard.
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