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Post by popmann on Oct 6, 2021 10:23:30 GMT -6
It looks like the latest Logic (10.6.3) runs on Catalina OR Big Sur. As will Cubase 10.5...Mixbus32c runs on everything--i think you can install the new version on 10.6...you just have to ask them for a special installer.
So, I had originally planned to dual boot this tower....and in 3 years'ish haven't found then need. Still had the Macbook (10.13) and it's USB IO clamshelled on the desk as an as needed robot drum machine. But, it's time. The laptop is EOL (maxes at Catalina). Dead battery. I've had a couple recent gigs I needed it--one the Drummer to do some work for a songwriter...one, much smaller $$, I actually didn't get where they wanted me to do something in Logic itself...and given that Apple is done with intel, seems like the ideal time to freeze my Drummer scripting dev.
Which brings me to the question: as someone who has not been traversing the incompatibilities of the latest MacOSs for a while...on paper, it seems like Big Sur is where they start putting all the intel emulation code and M1 native code...Catalina is where they went full 64bit, which I checked, and everything I need but the Tranzport driver is....which OS would you put on here?
Other than a kind of generic principle of "the newer will always last longer for some new software"--is there any real selling point for Big Sur on a tech level for an intel based desktop machine?
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Post by christopher on Oct 8, 2021 9:16:25 GMT -6
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Post by popmann on Oct 8, 2021 11:04:07 GMT -6
Good to know third party batteries work well. We had such horrible experiences (with the battery performance/longevity) on an old Macbook, I hadnt even considered it. $31 to get it back to operating spec and put a clean install of High Sierra (currently on there) or Mojave….might be worth it. Certainly would be for my wife’s thats in less dire shape but still needs replacement.
The little i dug around after posting this….anyone I saw not on an M1 is running Catalina still and/or has tried and rolled back due to some issues with Big Sur….which is kind of what I suspected—that Catalina is end of the line for intel. I mean the end of the era. Where 10.6 started it- going partially 64bit and intel only…,Catalina ends it—Big Sur starting the transition to their system on chip designs with intel emulation under the hood. So, if i do this….Ill just go Catalina and LPX.6.3. They made it annoying to make a bootable USB installer with Catalina. Ha. Of course they did.
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Post by miadaudio on Oct 8, 2021 11:35:57 GMT -6
Speaking of batteries, I just got (last week) a newertech nupower battery for an old mid2012 macbook pro (unibody). I've read some good comments about this battery but tbh I did minimum research because of the limited free time I have, so fingers crossed... So far so good but it only has 4-5 cycles at the moment.
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Post by popmann on Oct 15, 2021 13:03:27 GMT -6
I may have met my technical match. I've now tried this via Clover/Unibeast(w/Catalina) AND OpenCore(W/Big Sur). And OpenCore, I did both manually doing the entire thing...and then using a configurator to "automatically" do most of the work for the Coffee Lake chipset. Clover would boot but the MacOS boot wouldn't get all the way into the installer. OpenCore (either attempt) won't even boot. Not to mention...my PCIe situation is now jacked. Funny: I have 5 PCIe slots on this motherboard. The GPU sits in the 16x slot AND covers the next little one(-1). Then there's an 8x slot that neither my RME nor the Fenvi(Apple Broadcom) card will recognize (-2). Then the NEXT one, where the card would overhang is obscured by an NVME drive's heatsink(-3)...so, basically, I have ONE PCIe slot that EITHER card will physically sit in and fully function. So, this means I EITHER use the RME or the WIFI/BT...obviously, it's a studio computer, so...not like there's a choice for "either/or"...but, it means no network on the mac side--that's a recipe for PIA. The little voice going "why are we doing this again?" is getting louder and louder.  |
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Post by ericn on Oct 16, 2021 16:56:21 GMT -6
I may have met my technical match. I've now tried this via Clover/Unibeast(w/Catalina) AND OpenCore(W/Big Sur). And OpenCore, I did both manually doing the entire thing...and then using a configurator to "automatically" do most of the work for the Coffee Lake chipset. Clover would boot but the MacOS boot wouldn't get all the way into the installer. OpenCore (either attempt) won't even boot. Not to mention...my PCIe situation is now jacked. Funny: I have 5 PCIe slots on this motherboard. The GPU sits in the 16x slot AND covers the next little one(-1). Then there's an 8x slot that neither my RME nor the Fenvi(Apple Broadcom) card will recognize (-2). Then the NEXT one, where the card would overhang is obscured by an NVME drive's heatsink(-3)...so, basically, I have ONE PCIe slot that EITHER card will physically sit in and fully function. So, this means I EITHER use the RME or the WIFI/BT...obviously, it's a studio computer, so...not like there's a choice for "either/or"...but, it means no network on the mac side--that's a recipe for PIA. The little voice going "why are we doing this again?" is getting louder and louder. From the old days of Avid and PT installs try switching some of the cards around, I know it really shouldn’t matter but if you knew how often trial, error and dumb luck made me look like a genius ( not in the Apple store sence). |
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Post by popmann on Oct 16, 2021 18:46:44 GMT -6
Not sure I can. That's the issue. The GPU has a single slot it functions at full speed...which means it blocks another small PCIe...I could get an adapter for one of the NVME drives that's obscuring another slot.
Man...came so close today...Big Sur installer ran...it was doing it's 18min thing(post formatting the drive)...I walked away and came back to it having rebooted into Windows--and I can't get it to pick the installation back up.
Also updated the BIOS...to see if that helped get the 8x PCIe slot to recognize ANYTHING...nope.
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Post by popmann on Oct 18, 2021 12:27:57 GMT -6
Good new is...I've worked around the (physical) PCIe issues. It was actually worse than I thought--when I removed the GPU--it's actually obscuring TWO PCIe slots (other than the one it's actually IN)...but, when I did was changed one of the NVME heatsinks to a less tall one--so I could put the WIFI into the slot that was open except for that storage sink being in the way. But, I COULD also use that second partially obscured one--the card would just lay on the plastic of the GPU fan cover.
Bad news is....I give up, for now. Whether OpenCore...newer or older BIOS...or KNOWN GOOD EFI folders from builds with the same mobo using the old Clover/Unibeast system...I just couldn't get it to take. Honestly have NO idea why I got it to start installing (via Open Core+Big Sur) ONCE and never again. Anyhoo...I'm now set up with an extra SSD and an Apple/Broadcom WIFI/BT card...I may take another stab in the future, but really if I'm going to spend more time making it work, I might look into doing it with a bare metal hypervisor. That's at least a skill set I can use in the job market. Plus--the potential that I can use that to get around the incompatible storage formats--might mean it's a more fully functioning dual boot.
At the end, as I'm reassembling everything...I saw/remembered there's a BIOS switch on the GPU. I've got it in some kind of silent mode...or something like that--not performance mode, but the other--cool feature of the card, but it makes me wonder if that is something non standard that OSX had issues with-but, I thought I'd spend a couple days and a few dollars making this happen. #fail --I've got to move on and get my DAW machine back purring under Windows.
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