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Post by drumsound on Aug 27, 2021 9:25:53 GMT -6
That seller is also not getting anywhere near that. Not half that. I could put up an ad right now with a pair of KM84 for $42,600. It doesn’t mean anything. This is the crux of the biscuit. Selling price is a whole other world Its the seller’s name W. C. Fields ? PT Barnum
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Post by kcatthedog on Aug 27, 2021 9:53:37 GMT -6
Fields said There is a sucker born every minute, seem to apply ?
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 27, 2021 11:12:47 GMT -6
I think this guy is a little high, I don’t mean his prices I mean I want what he’s smoking. Don’t take the acid during breakfast time… Used ones here in the EU STLL go for the same numbers depending on their condition. 1.2 k to 1.5k. I’d rather use a pair of the MK012s before I pay 7.5k for a used microphone. Really? I must have really overpaid for my U48 then....
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Post by mrholmes on Aug 27, 2021 12:35:57 GMT -6
Don’t take the acid during breakfast time… Used ones here in the EU STLL go for the same numbers depending on their condition. 1.2 k to 1.5k. I’d rather use a pair of the MK012s before I pay 7.5k for a used microphone. Really? I must have really overpaid for my U48 then....
This for you guys who are still looking for legit KM84's....
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 28, 2021 13:35:11 GMT -6
Really? I must have really overpaid for my U48 then....
This for you guys who are still looking for legit KM84's....
Cheap, compared to 48s....
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Post by mrholmes on Aug 28, 2021 14:34:06 GMT -6
This for you guys who are still looking for legit KM84's....
Cheap, compared to 48s....
I think so.... ?
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 28, 2021 15:33:08 GMT -6
In previous KM84 threads I've argued the point that Neumann should re-release the 84 only to have many here say it will never happen. With prices like these I personally think we're approaching the tipping point where Neumann would be crazy not to. No idea why they wouldn’t reissue it.
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Post by bluegrassdan on Aug 28, 2021 15:50:53 GMT -6
Not to hijack, but I'm starting to feel like a pair of KM54s or a 54 and a 56 might be in my future. I'm just so darn scared of em. Afraid someone will crash during a guitar solo and sigh loudly into the capsule.
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Post by mrholmes on Aug 28, 2021 16:33:00 GMT -6
In previous KM84 threads I've argued the point that Neumann should re-release the 84 only to have many here say it will never happen. With prices like these I personally think we're approaching the tipping point where Neumann would be crazy not to. No idea why they wouldn’t reissue it. Mybe because the Warm Audio one is close and the new MK012 too. I ask myself why the russians are not getting closer and charge 150 bucks more. I couldnt believe the value of my mk012 untill I had my own one. drbill was right the mk012 is having similarties compared to the km84… In my opinion the off axis response is much better compared th the km 184…
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Post by chessparov on Aug 28, 2021 18:55:11 GMT -6
In previous KM84 threads I've argued the point that Neumann should re-release the 84 only to have many here say it will never happen. With prices like these I personally think we're approaching the tipping point where Neumann would be crazy not to. No idea why they wouldn’t reissue it. Hey I announce that, every April 1st! Chris
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 28, 2021 22:34:51 GMT -6
No idea why they wouldn’t reissue it. Mybe because the Warm Audio one is close and the new MK012 too. I ask myself why the russians are not getting closer and charge 150 bucks more. I couldnt believe the value of my mk012 untill I had my own one. drbill was right the mk012 is having similarties compared to the km84… In my opinion the off axis response is much better compared th the km 184… Somebody here on the site posted a SDC shootout and the MK012 was like my least favorite.
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Post by Omicron9 on Aug 29, 2021 7:47:33 GMT -6
This will likely sound snarky, but isn't intended to; this is simply my honest prediction/random thoughts as to what might happen if Neumann did reissue the KM84. 1. Neumann reissues KM84 to massive applause/celebration/approval. 2. People start buying the new KM84; love it, claim it sounds exactly like their vintage 84. 3. Well-known mic modder states that the new 84 does not sound like a vintage 84, and only his mod can make it sound like a vintage 84. 4. People that previously claimed the new 84 sounded just like vintage 84s now say that the new 84 does not sound like the vintage 84. There I said it. -09
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Post by mrholmes on Aug 29, 2021 8:34:23 GMT -6
This will likely sound snarky, but isn't intended to; this is simply my honest prediction as to what might happen if Neumann did reissue the KM84. 1. Neumann reissues KM84 to massive applause/celebration/approval. 2. People start buying the new KM84; love it, claim it sounds exactly like their vintage 84. 3. Well-known mic modder states that the new 84 does not sound like a vintage 84, and only his mod can make it sound like a vintage 84. 4. People that previously claimed the new 84 sounded just like vintage 84s now say that the new 84 does not sound like the vintage 84. There I said it. -09 The Warm is close at least from files I heard….who cares I think Neumann won’t go back in time they are into engineering… creating new and better tools….
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Post by lpedrum on Aug 29, 2021 9:57:57 GMT -6
This will likely sound snarky, but isn't intended to; this is simply my honest prediction as to what might happen if Neumann did reissue the KM84. 1. Neumann reissues KM84 to massive applause/celebration/approval. 2. People start buying the new KM84; love it, claim it sounds exactly like their vintage 84. 3. Well-known mic modder states that the new 84 does not sound like a vintage 84, and only his mod can make it sound like a vintage 84. 4. People that previously claimed the new 84 sounded just like vintage 84s now say that the new 84 does not sound like the vintage 84. There I said it. -09 The Warm is close at least from files I heard….who cares I think Neumann won’t go back in time they are into engineering… creating new and better tools…. The overwhelming weight of opinions is that the Warm is not close to an 84 and that the 184 is not “better.” The Neumann 84 is the most beloved SDC of all time period. Owners don’t sell them and in the rare case they do the going price seems to be $2500 and rising. In reissuing the 84 Neumann has the opportunity to make a lot of money and create a public relations feel good moment that would be the microphone event of the decade.
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Post by bluegrassdan on Aug 29, 2021 10:17:37 GMT -6
Didn't they manufacture a metric ton of them from 1966-1992?
There's no shortage of them, it's just that people hang onto them.
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Post by chessparov on Aug 29, 2021 10:47:12 GMT -6
I have faith in Carlos S., in the meantime. Chris
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Post by OtisGreying on Aug 29, 2021 14:54:46 GMT -6
I have faith in Carlos S., in the meantime. Chris Yeah his samples of his clone and original sounded very close to me.
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Post by drbill on Aug 29, 2021 15:24:32 GMT -6
They were good, but didn't have that last extra bit to my ears. Not close enough to persuade me. Not sure if re-issues would have that last extra bit either though. Hanging on to my 84's for the time being..... But if looking, I would definitely NOT be buying an average pair for $13k. Zero doubt. Unless I win the lotto - then I'm buying every decent vintage mic I can get my hands on....
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Post by ragan on Aug 29, 2021 15:37:12 GMT -6
I mean, that price (in the ad that started this thread) isn't linked to reality. They have escalated in value lately but up to like $1800 instead of $1200 or whatever. The $13k comedy-listing is like me going, "hey, cars and trucks are really hard to get right now and used values have really climbed during the pandemic. I'm going to list my Toyota Tacoma for $120,000."
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Post by gouge on Aug 30, 2021 4:04:53 GMT -6
They were good, but didn't have that last extra bit to my ears. Not close enough to persuade me. Not sure if re-issues would have that last extra bit either though. Hanging on to my 84's for the time being..... But if looking, I would definitely NOT be buying an average pair for $13k. Zero doubt. Unless I win the lotto - then I'm buying every decent vintage mic I can get my hands on.... yup. my take too.
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Post by mrholmes on Aug 30, 2021 6:05:27 GMT -6
The Warm is close at least from files I heard….who cares I think Neumann won’t go back in time they are into engineering… creating new and better tools…. The overwhelming weight of opinions is that the Warm is not close to an 84 and that the 184 is not “better.” The Neumann 84 is the most beloved SDC of all time period. Owners don’t sell them and in the rare case they do the going price seems to be $2500 and rising. In reissuing the 84 Neumann has the opportunity to make a lot of money and create a public relations feel good moment that would be the microphone event of the decade.
I just said that I am sure that they are into creating new tools. Your personal taste is to 100% not Neumann business - like it or leave it.
And I just speak for myself and not for everybody. To me, the WARM files were in blind AB to close to call a winner by taste.
But maybe they fail in everyday work? Who knows, I don't own them.
I just can't complain about options, here in the EU the 84s go for much lesser money than in the US. I could pull the trigger to own my own 84, and I would not have to relate to the few times one was placed in front of my ACG.
But why?
I am very happy with my KM184 + MK012 combination. And IMO, if I don't go to close, the MK012 sounds a lot like the 84.
But that's just me, my tase and BTW one of 6 MK012 I hand-picked. QC seems not the greatest thing in Russia. The one I picked is smooth in HF range and offers a consistent off axis response.
To me the Octava MK012, if you own a pair you like, are clear price performance winners.
Back to work in the real life....
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Post by nobtwiddler on Aug 30, 2021 6:38:38 GMT -6
Funny, I own 8 ... 4 are with one of my mobile rigs, and 4 are here in the studio. They are usually the last mic I pic for anything?
The only reason I've kept them all is simply due to the rising prices.
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Post by Ward on Aug 30, 2021 7:32:30 GMT -6
No idea why they wouldn’t reissue it. I brought back a full report of my conversation with VP Jeff Alexander (at NAMM 2020) with his explanation of why. In a nutshell: "The KM84 continues to be a great microphone, but with the same sound and greatly reduced self-noise of the KM184, we have changed with the times and the digital age and can't see ever going backwards." - I may have a few words wrong. This will likely sound snarky, but isn't intended to; this is simply my honest prediction/random thoughts as to what might happen if Neumann did reissue the KM84. 1. Neumann reissues KM84 to massive applause/celebration/approval. 2. People start buying the new KM84; love it, claim it sounds exactly like their vintage 84. 3. Well-known mic modder states that the new 84 does not sound like a vintage 84, and only his mod can make it sound like a vintage 84. 4. People that previously claimed the new 84 sounded just like vintage 84s now say that the new 84 does not sound like the vintage 84. [/quote]
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Post by Ward on Aug 30, 2021 7:35:24 GMT -6
P.S. I can't get the formatting fixed on that post. I've tried several times. Something is buggy.
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Post by Omicron9 on Aug 30, 2021 8:48:08 GMT -6
No idea why they wouldn’t reissue it. I brought back a full report of my conversation with VP Jeff Alexander (at NAMM 2020) with his explanation of why. In a nutshell: "The KM84 continues to be a great microphone, but with the same sound and greatly reduced self-noise of the KM184, we have changed with the times and the digital age and can't see ever going backwards." - I may have a few words wrong. [/quote] Ward, Interesting quote from Neumann. The "we have changed with the times and the digital age and can't see ever going backwards" part is particularly interesting, since they have, using their words, "gone backwards" by reissuing the 47-Fet (current "changed-with-the-times" model: M-147), and "gone backwards" by reissuing the U-67 (current "changed-with-the-times" model: TLM-67). Who knows.... maybe their party line of refusing to reissue the 84 is only to amp up demand while they're putting together the reissues. I'm not hoping for a reissued 84; nor am I speculating that they're going to do it. Also not trying to be contrary with your post (which I enjoyed ). I'm just saying that they've clearly done two reissues of mics that have a modern counterpart. Watch and see.... who knows. -09
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