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Post by srb on Jul 19, 2021 18:50:41 GMT -6
I'm poised to be in the market for new main monitors since my Focal Twin6 be's have gone on the fritz. They're going in for service, and likely to be sold upon return.
While more than I'd really rather spend, I'm at the point in all this that in getting new monitors, they'll be the last I ever buy.
The Focals have served me well the last 13 years, but I'd like to have more mid-range definition and 'honesty', which is considered a strong point of the ATC's.
Any input is greatly appreciated, and I thank the cognescenti in advance!
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Post by ericn on Jul 19, 2021 20:43:43 GMT -6
ATC doesn’t know how to build a bad speaker, the 25 is interesting. Yes they are a 3 way near field, but they are not near field in the modern sense that you can taste them your so close, these are near field as in 3-4 feet away on the bridge of a console. Close to the back wall will give a bit more lowend, but they really sing with at least 1 foot behind them or more. To keep them at a reasonable size they use The non SL woofer and non S mid blus a Scanpeak? I think tweeter, you won’t notice unless you do a side by side with the more expensive ATC drivers, I can only think of one Non ATC dome that beats this one. The hardest thing to get use to with any ATC is the lowend, they don’t go as low as most but what you get in return is the lowest distortion of any dynamic driver made. For some this is perfect, for others distortion be damned I need my lowend ( I tend to fall into this group but I still want great bass!) the biggest problem for most who don’t like ATC is they really, really are hard to mate well with a sub other than ones that say ATC! If you can live with the above they are really hard to beat, to get to a complete speaker that I would pick over the 25’s it would be the 50’s or the smallest Quested custom series ( more bass more distortion but as close distortion wise as it gets). Yet they translate for many.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jul 19, 2021 20:54:40 GMT -6
I did a shoot out with some active atc a few year’s ago. I would happily have sold a kidney to afford them !
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Post by thehightenor on Jul 20, 2021 1:49:28 GMT -6
I'm poised to be in the market for new main monitors since my Focal Twin6 be's have gone on the fritz. They're going in for service, and likely to be sold upon return. While more than I'd really rather spend, I'm at the point in all this that in getting new monitors, they'll be the last I ever buy. The Focals have served me well the last 13 years, but I'd like to have more mid-range definition and 'honesty', which is considered a strong point of the ATC's. Any input is greatly appreciated, and I thank the cognescenti in advance! For me they were a “game changer” (though I hate to use that term) but really it’s a true statement. The only downside was hearing my old mixes made with K&H 0300’s and realising just how many mix errors I’d made. The 25’s are brutal, anything less than the perfect mix will scream out at you to fix it !! The mid driver is where so much of the magic is, the detail and resolution on offer is truly incredible and as so much program material is in this critical band, for me it's the reason ATC’s are such a useful mix tool. Watch out for your volume though, the distortion is so low that you get tempted to turn them up more and more …. and they go seriously loud for small monitors. For a small project studio the 25’s are perfect, a big room would benefit from the 50’s. When I first listened to some Steely Dan mixes on them it was possible to sense the rooms in which the instruments where recorded - there's really that much 3D resolution. Also, for me the bass is very fast, articulate and smooth and more than enough for my needs - I never feel I need a sub - but I don't make dance music or EDM so maybe that's a different need in the low's. I find them to be very room forgiving and not picky at all about placement (I have mine close to my back wall)- I use mine in the traditional 65" monitoring triangle which makes them almost mid-field I guess. All ATC monitors are superb imho - they're a lot of dollars to buy but I think if you can make the push you won't regret it - definitely worthy of a demo.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2021 6:16:13 GMT -6
ATC is great. Their speakers without their SL drivers are all warm though. You’ll understand when you hear them especially if you’re coming from something like Yamahas.
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Post by avgatzeblouz on Jul 20, 2021 7:23:00 GMT -6
I agree. The woofer on the 25s seem low, not tight. Hence the warm feeling. They are very room-dependant. Do not buy unless you could try them at your place. I have experienced this with the 25s. I tried them in the main studio I work at where they absolutely shine, and I moved them in my personal studio where they absolutely sucked. I did not experience this with my ADAMs, or now my Trio6.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2021 13:55:41 GMT -6
I've used 25a's for about 8 years and I love them. There is nothing like the midrange they are capable of. I agree with those who say they are room-dependent. In the wrong room, they can really disappoint. In the right room, or with the correct placement, they can sound as big as the mains. They aren't fun to move at all. I'm not aware of a speaker that size that I prefer. I have had very good luck with a JL Audio Fathom sub.
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Post by thehightenor on Jul 20, 2021 15:58:59 GMT -6
I agree. The woofer on the 25s seem low, not tight. Hence the warm feeling. They are very room-dependant. Do not buy unless you could try them at your place. I have experienced this with the 25s. I tried them in the main studio I work at where they absolutely shine, and I moved them in my personal studio where they absolutely sucked. I did not experience this with my ADAMs, or now my Trio6. Interesting, of all the monitors I've owned over the last 40 years I've found the 25's to be the least room dependent - in fact very forgiving relative to for example my old K&H 0300's or a pair of Focal Twins I had for a while. But it's great to hear other peoples experiences.
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Post by ericn on Jul 20, 2021 16:45:38 GMT -6
I agree. The woofer on the 25s seem low, not tight. Hence the warm feeling. They are very room-dependant. Do not buy unless you could try them at your place. I have experienced this with the 25s. I tried them in the main studio I work at where they absolutely shine, and I moved them in my personal studio where they absolutely sucked. I did not experience this with my ADAMs, or now my Trio6. Interesting, of all the monitors I've owned over the last 40 years I've found the 25's to be the least room dependent - in fact very forgiving relative to for example my old K&H 0300's or a pair of Focal Twins I had for a while. But it's great to hear other peoples experiences. I don’t think I would call any of those 3 more or less room dependent, just different in how they are room dependent. For many the fact that they don’t go that low certainly makes them easier since LF is where most tend to have room issues.
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Post by srb on Jul 20, 2021 21:51:20 GMT -6
I agree. The woofer on the 25s seem low, not tight. Hence the warm feeling. They are very room-dependant. Do not buy unless you could try them at your place. I have experienced this with the 25s. I tried them in the main studio I work at where they absolutely shine, and I moved them in my personal studio where they absolutely sucked. I did not experience this with my ADAMs, or now my Trio6. Interesting, of all the monitors I've owned over the last 40 years I've found the 25's to be the least room dependent - in fact very forgiving relative to for example my old K&H 0300's or a pair of Focal Twins I had for a while. But it's great to hear other peoples experiences. Coming from the Focal Twins, this is encouraging. I have been using a Focal CMS sub with them (albeit not a lot of output there). I'll be able to return the ATC's if it doesn't work. My room is treated well; so, given the accumulated experience in it (18 years), and my hopeful willingness to get it done, I'll plod on.
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