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Post by gouge on Jul 19, 2021 4:33:53 GMT -6
looking for plugin suggestions.
on the table so far.
waves emo D5, softube dynamite, boz gatey watey
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Post by svart on Jul 19, 2021 8:39:44 GMT -6
I mostly just edit the tracks manually using a feature in Reaper that's similar to "strip silence" in other DAWs.
Otherwise, I just use the stock gate in Reaper since it works great, or sometimes I use the gate in one of the SSL channel strip plugs if I want a little of that rounded mojo it gives. I've also experimented with the Sonnox Drum Gate that I got on sale. It's pretty good at what it does but I usually end up editing the track so I can glue/consolidate the track afterwards without needing to render the effects.
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Post by mcirish on Jul 19, 2021 9:12:17 GMT -6
looking for plugin suggestions. on the table so far. waves emo D5, softube dynamite, boz gatey watey What do you want the gate to do? For drums, I recommend Cymbal Killer (once the new bug-free version is out) or Sonnox Oxford Drum Gate. For just general gating duties, I really like DMG Track Gate. |
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Jul 19, 2021 9:45:51 GMT -6
For drums, as a last resort I use the Fab Filter Pro-G. Works very well if you need to squash the HH out of the snare mics, etc.
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Post by seawell on Jul 19, 2021 9:48:06 GMT -6
Sonnox Oxford Drum Gate
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Post by gouge on Jul 19, 2021 15:26:16 GMT -6
Thx for suggestions. Svart i usually manual edit but looking to automate. Have been using reaper plugs but i feel it leaves a veil of sorts.
So am looking for fairly transparent gate/suppressor to use on vocals prior to compression, drums especially toms in punk songs.
Plus acoustic instruments in sparse indie folk mixes.
Drumgate breaks the bank.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2021 15:43:51 GMT -6
Thx for suggestions. Svart i usually manual edit but looking to automate. Have been using reaper plugs but i feel it leaves a veil of sorts. So am looking for fairly transparent gate/suppressor to use on vocals prior to compression, drums especially toms in punk songs. Plus acoustic instruments in sparse indie folk mixes. Drumgate breaks the bank. There’s no such thing as a transparent gate. They all suck and ReaGate is free. Only Oxford Drum Gate doesn’t make the sucking sound on drums but it still sucks the life out of them. |
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Post by Blackdawg on Jul 19, 2021 15:57:34 GMT -6
I like automating Fab Filter's Pro-G when I need a gate.
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Post by gouge on Jul 19, 2021 16:03:00 GMT -6
Pro g does look good was suggested earlier as well.
A few of the plugs suggested so far also include expansion which is something id like for vocals
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Post by gouge on Jul 19, 2021 16:08:42 GMT -6
Something i would like to try is an expamder followed by wave vocal rider to automate vocals.
Been using vocal rider for a while now and really happy with what it does before a compressor.
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Post by seawell on Jul 19, 2021 17:57:24 GMT -6
If the amount of gating you have to do leaves you with a less than desirable tone… then following your gate plug in with boz transgressor can really tone shape and help bring back some life.
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Post by phdamage on Jul 20, 2021 9:05:18 GMT -6
I only ever really use a gate on bottom snare mics (triggering from top). Every time I try a new one, I'm always disappointed. I bought Oxford Drum Gate recently wishing it would be a time saver and found it even more of a pain to deal with to set up. FabFilter is okay sometimes, but I almost always either manually edit them or sometimes for kick or snare, i can do the duplicated track with flipped phase and a comp.
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Post by tkaitkai on Jul 20, 2021 10:48:08 GMT -6
For drums specifically, Wilkinson DeBleeder is pretty special. Highly recommend that one. Drumatom is also really cool.
I usually end up using FabFilter, though. Works great, fast as hell, and sounds fine.
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Post by lpedrum on Jul 20, 2021 11:07:16 GMT -6
For drums specifically, Wilkinson DeBleeder is pretty special. Highly recommend that one. Drumatom is also really cool. I usually end up using FabFilter, though. Works great, fast as hell, and sounds fine. I had been using the Wilkinson when the trade off in sound quality was justified and made sense. Unfortunately when I switched to the Mac M1 it was one of the few plugins that couldn’t make the transition and the company told me that it was unlikely that the DeBleeder would ever work with the new Macs. |
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Post by tkaitkai on Jul 20, 2021 11:55:15 GMT -6
For drums specifically, Wilkinson DeBleeder is pretty special. Highly recommend that one. Drumatom is also really cool. I usually end up using FabFilter, though. Works great, fast as hell, and sounds fine. I had been using the Wilkinson when the trade off in sound quality was justified and made sense. Unfortunately when I switched to the Mac M1 it was one of the few plugins that couldn’t make the transition and the company told me that it was unlikely that the DeBleeder would ever work with the new Macs. Damn, what a bummer to hear. Yet another reason I plan on staying on my current iMac for as long as humanly possible. |
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Post by jmoose on Jul 20, 2021 13:27:06 GMT -6
I really wish someone made a plugin gate that worked as well as a Drawmer 201. So many of 'em seem over complicated and suck. If UAD ever models a DS201 it's gonna be an instant buy for me.
Most of the time its the stock Logic gate which is as ok as anything else. The UAD SSL channel gets some use too.
Also have a Symetrix 564E in the rack... old school 4 channel expander/gate. And it gets used! Rarely all 4 channels at once anymore but its rack space & patch points are safe!
I'll manually edit toms most of the time, they're usually pretty easy to strip if I want to. Where I need a great gate most often is guitars & vocals that might've been under-recorded... clean things up without blowing a bunch of time automating a thousand little pauses.
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Post by javamad on Jul 21, 2021 2:57:08 GMT -6
+ 1 on FF Pro-G here.
For moving fast the Snare - remove HH and smooth vocal both work very well for me with hardly a tweak needed.
The high and low tom presets need an eq tweak but again very fast.
If things are not too bad I have been just using the API Console channelstrip in Luna and its quite good.
I have a couple of Drawmer gates but don’t use them cos I’m in a single room studio so I can’t hear what they are doing and don’t want to risk messing up a take… mustput them up for sale
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Post by sirthought on Jul 21, 2021 3:15:23 GMT -6
I was using the iZotope gate that's part of Neutron. It's pretty easy to set up compared to others I've tried.
Recently changed to Sonnox Oxford Drum Gate and that thing is pretty sweet. I'm not working with speed metal guys, but I do see a fair amount of faster punk style drummers recorded in shitty practice spaces. This has helped clean up some issues.
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Post by schmalzy on Jul 21, 2021 10:41:49 GMT -6
It depends what I'm trying to do, I guess. Am I trying to shorten a sound, am I trying to reduce run-of-the-mill background noise, or am I try to get cymbals out of a drum sound?
If I'm just trying to control length or get rid of regular noisey stuff I'll use the Console1 SSL 4000 gate. It's perfectly functional for that.
Stuff like toms I'll manually cut out the stuff I don't want. The more the toms need to be featured the more important cutting them out by hand becomes.
If I HAVE to use processing to remove unwanted stuff on kick/snare/toms I'll use a combination: Reaper's ReaGate followed by Boz Gatey Watey. Set Reaper's gate to grab what you need but let it stay open for "too long." Then grab Gatey Watey and set it to gate out the segment of the frequency range I want out and leave the other stuff as it was after it passed ReaGate.
What that most often looks like is using ReaGate to give me the drum length I want - just for the discussion we'll call it 500ms on a floor tom - and I'll use Gatey Watey to see that gated signal and only let the highs through for the first 80ms (or whatever sounds good). It leaves the length of the resonance but reduces the amount of time the top end speaks. A big component of making that all work, though, is not gating hard. I'm setting my ReaGate to 60% wet and only reducing in Gatey Watey by 6-9 db. I don't want to hear the gates working I just want a little less of the garbage.
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Post by ericn on Jul 22, 2021 21:36:05 GMT -6
Pro g does look good was suggested earlier as well. A few of the plugs suggested so far also include expansion which is something id like for vocals What you really mean is downward expansion, yeah I know Symantics but here there is a distingshon downward expansion is a gate that isn’t instant sort of fades no click, an expander is the opposite of a compressor. It expands the dynamic range, I know it’s stupid but once you play with a DBX expander you realize , don’t you dare confuse me😁 |
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Post by plinker on Jul 23, 2021 12:51:27 GMT -6
Pro g does look good was suggested earlier as well. A few of the plugs suggested so far also include expansion which is something id like for vocals What you really mean is downward expansion, yeah I know Symantics but here there is a distingshon downward expansion is a gate that isn’t instant sort of fades no click, an expander is the opposite of a compressor. It expands the dynamic range, I know it’s stupid but once you play with a DBX expander you realize , don’t you dare confuse me😁 This is the stuff, right here!
My favorite downward expander is on my Safesound Audio P1 strip. I don't know any software that does it so well.
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Post by seawell on Aug 2, 2021 9:00:22 GMT -6
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Post by gouge on Aug 2, 2021 16:06:54 GMT -6
fantastic. thx.
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