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Post by Tbone81 on May 30, 2021 17:46:21 GMT -6
I need to step up my vocal game. I don’t do a lot of pop but I get a lot of people who want pop production elements of some sort in their songs. What I need are cool harmonizes, pitch shifters, filters, and...and I guess I don’t know what.
What I DONT need are eq’s, compressors or deessers. I’m looking for the weird stuff used on on background vocals, layered under lead vocals, the stuff used for vocal throws/ambience as etc. Basically pull up any current top 40 track. What do I need to get there?
I currently use sound toys little alter boy to pitch up vocals, futz box for filter fx and waves doubler. Been looking at the Antares Avox stuff. Anything else I should have on my radar?
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Post by seawell on May 30, 2021 19:21:26 GMT -6
Waves Vocal Bender is a good one for pop stuff. iZotope VocalSynth 2 or Waves Ovox too. Valhalla Vintage verb is also really popular in that genre for longer verb throw parts.
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Post by tkaitkai on May 30, 2021 20:49:23 GMT -6
I loooooove this kind of stuff. My favorites for this purpose are VocalSynth, Infected Mushroom Pusher, Avox Choir, Valhalla Shimmer + Supermassive, and all of the plugins from Output and Denise Audio.
You can also get some really neat sounds with Izotope Vinyl, NI Driver + Raum.
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Post by Tbone81 on May 30, 2021 21:31:55 GMT -6
Waves Vocal Bender is a good one for pop stuff. iZotope VocalSynth 2 or Waves Ovox too. Valhalla Vintage verb is also really popular in that genre for longer verb throw parts. Thanks! I was just checking out VocalSynth and I might have to get that. Ovox looks cool, all those weird vocoder-ish vocal melodies are exactly what I was talking about. How steep is the learning curve? Is it better used when you’re writing a part with it? Or is it still useful after the the fact, in the mixing stage? |
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Post by Tbone81 on May 30, 2021 21:33:09 GMT -6
I loooooove this kind of stuff. My favorites for this purpose are VocalSynth, Infected Mushroom Pusher, Avox Choir, Valhalla Shimmer + Supermassive, and all of the plugins from Output and Denise Audio. You can also get some really neat sounds with Izotope Vinyl, NI Driver + Raum. Avox Choir definitely ticks one of the boxes I need. But is it redundant if you also VocalSynth? Is having both useful? |
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Post by Guitar on May 31, 2021 6:01:28 GMT -6
I'd be looking pretty closely at the Eventide Anthology, they seem tailor made for this sort of thing.
I would also check Unfiltered Audio and Exponential Audio Excalibur.
These plugins all make me think, "Sound design." They're smarter than I am and I need to work on that. It's nice to have tools that still need learning, even after 20 years of this activity.
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Post by seawell on May 31, 2021 9:47:21 GMT -6
Waves Vocal Bender is a good one for pop stuff. iZotope VocalSynth 2 or Waves Ovox too. Valhalla Vintage verb is also really popular in that genre for longer verb throw parts. Thanks! I was just checking out VocalSynth and I might have to get that. Ovox looks cool, all those weird vocoder-ish vocal melodies are exactly what I was talking about. How steep is the learning curve? Is it better used when you’re writing a part with it? Or is it still useful after the the fact, in the mixing stage? I already had Vocalsynth 2 by the time Ovox came out so I only demoed it. I found it to be pretty easy to use though in the week or so I messed around with it. Most all of the work I've done over the past year has been mixing/mastering so I'm using it at the mixing stage with a lot of results I'm happy with. I should also mention RC-20 Retro Color is a really cool plug in for filter/lofi effects! |
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Post by tkaitkai on May 31, 2021 13:30:04 GMT -6
I loooooove this kind of stuff. My favorites for this purpose are VocalSynth, Infected Mushroom Pusher, Avox Choir, Valhalla Shimmer + Supermassive, and all of the plugins from Output and Denise Audio. You can also get some really neat sounds with Izotope Vinyl, NI Driver + Raum. Avox Choir definitely ticks one of the boxes I need. But is it redundant if you also VocalSynth? Is having both useful? I definitely think it's worth it to have both. If you only have a single vocalist, you can use both plugins together to create ridiculously huge fake group vocals/choirs. I'll often record a vocal part 10 - 15 times (singing them slightly differently), put Choir on each individual track, pan them out hard L/R, and then bus them together and use the Polyvox module in VocalSynth on the bus. You do have to play around with the settings a bit, but when done right, it's a pretty convincing group vocal effect. |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2021 13:38:08 GMT -6
PSP N20 is sick for this. Why get a single Eventide plug when you can get a straight up harmonizer? It’s like a Lexicon Harmonizer that never was
For subtle, try some of the modulator JS plugs that come free in Reaper and ReaPlugs at 10-30 % wet. Some of them behave better than the Eventide Clockwork plugs too, which often have sonically very undesirable saturation. Also the SDRR2 in HQ+ mode for subtle. Tube. Also the Fuse Vpres. Very
Try a dirty delay from Uhe Color Copy or Fuse bucket bridge.
For choruses, U-he Satin delay is the best I’ve used by far. It’s so good.
Sound Toys of course too but they’re and can be a bit too gritty but cool for a lofi vibe. Go beyond that and you get that modern popular music grind that’s really off putting on detailed playback systems.
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Post by Mister Chase on May 31, 2021 13:48:56 GMT -6
I bought the Eventide H3000 plugin for this kind of work and I use 3 per mix and automate the sends. It's really fantastic if you ask me.
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Post by jcoutu1 on May 31, 2021 13:50:44 GMT -6
Avox Choir definitely ticks one of the boxes I need. But is it redundant if you also VocalSynth? Is having both useful? I definitely think it's worth it to have both. If you only have a single vocalist, you can use both plugins together to create ridiculously huge fake group vocals/choirs. I'll often record a vocal part 10 - 15 times (singing them slightly differently), put Choir on each individual track, pan them out hard L/R, and then bus them together and use the Polyvox module in VocalSynth on the bus. You do have to play around with the settings a bit, but when done right, it's a pretty convincing group vocal effect. Got an example you can share? Love to hear it. |
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Post by tkaitkai on May 31, 2021 14:43:02 GMT -6
I definitely think it's worth it to have both. If you only have a single vocalist, you can use both plugins together to create ridiculously huge fake group vocals/choirs. I'll often record a vocal part 10 - 15 times (singing them slightly differently), put Choir on each individual track, pan them out hard L/R, and then bus them together and use the Polyvox module in VocalSynth on the bus. You do have to play around with the settings a bit, but when done right, it's a pretty convincing group vocal effect. Got an example you can share? Love to hear it. Sure, here's a snippet from some session work I did recently. This was about 30 takes stacked together. 1st pass is completely dry, no FX apart from tuning 2nd pass has Avox Choir + VocalSynth on every individual vocal (really testing my CPU with this haha!) 3rd pass has the FX in plus the lead vocal Not perfect, but it worked great in the mix. And to be honest, if I wasn't so anal about tuning, it would probably sound more realistic.  https%3A//soundcloud.com/tkaitkai/group-vocal-effect |
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Post by jcoutu1 on May 31, 2021 14:47:00 GMT -6
Got an example you can share? Love to hear it. Sure, here's a snippet from some session work I did recently. This was about 30 takes stacked together. 1st pass is completely dry, no FX apart from tuning 2nd pass has Avox Choir + VocalSynth on every individual vocal (really testing my CPU with this haha!) 3rd pass has the FX in plus the lead vocal Not perfect, but it worked great in the mix. And to be honest, if I wasn't so anal about tuning, it would probably sound more realistic. https%3A//soundcloud.com/tkaitkai/group-vocal-effectSounds great. I'm working on a tune with fat stacks, so maybe I'll download a demo to check out. |
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