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Post by Ward on May 22, 2021 8:48:29 GMT -6
Spinning off the 'Let's Talk Pultecs' thread, this is an absolutely fabulous video. Well worth 10 minutes of your time. And just shows how unbelievably better the audioscape EQPs are over the Warms and KTs of the world. |
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Post by drbill on May 22, 2021 10:04:54 GMT -6
Nice! Kind of kills the "yeah, but if it's sounds great going in, you don't need hardware when you mix" thing doesn't it? He of course mentions that you can do the same thing with a plugin, but I've never heard one as sweet on the top as that.....  |
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Post by Vincent R. on May 22, 2021 20:41:26 GMT -6
I want a pair.
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Post by ericn on May 22, 2021 21:58:32 GMT -6
Damn it Ward for a friend your sure making me want to dip into the boat fund!
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Post by sirthought on May 23, 2021 2:48:10 GMT -6
Sorry guys. Plenty of plugins can get you those subtle results on master bus. UAD, Bettermaker, Massive Passive...lots to choose from.
Not going to rain on your parade for owning what's obviously nice gear. But in this instance I don't think the plugin loses ground.
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Post by Ward on May 23, 2021 8:30:02 GMT -6
Sorry guys. Plenty of plugins can get you those subtle results on master bus. UAD, Bettermaker, Massive Passive...lots to choose from. Not going to rain on your parade for owning what's obviously nice gear. But in this instance I don't think the plugin loses ground. The plugins are truly great. The Pultec plugins in particular. They've managed to capture the hiss of the Warn, the distortion of the KT with none of the nasty tone you get from the audioscape, Tube-Tech or other exact reproductions. Ok, I'm being salty and funny. We don't agree on this one. |
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Post by Mister Chase on May 23, 2021 14:55:18 GMT -6
I saw that vid. Very, very nice. I'd be curious how the Rule Tec stacks up against a pair of these in a side by side. I do prefer hardware generally. I have messed with the Rule Tec versus my Wes Audio Prometheus but really those are different animals when you are working with a solid state pultec type... plus I think the Wes kind of seems to do it's own kind of Pultec thing(don't they all?)
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Post by Mister Chase on May 23, 2021 14:58:54 GMT -6
I thought this was a cool video of the Audioscapes vs actual Pultecs...
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Post by ragan on May 23, 2021 15:10:44 GMT -6
Rule Tec and UAD are the best I've heard ITB and truly are lovely processors. I've never done an AB with hardware for a Pultec but I've done lots of other HW/SW ABs and good hardware pretty much always wins handily for my ears. Plus I just love hardware in general (and I'm fine admitting that some of that love is aesthetic). My good buddy has a pair of the Stam Pultecs, they sound lovely. Seems like the AS Pultecs also sound great (no surprise there). My guess (and it's only a guess) is that a carefully done AB with HW Pultecs and SW like UAD or Rule Tec would end up closer than the HW enthusiasts would like to believe and farther apart than the SW enthusiasts would like to believe.
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Post by Mister Chase on May 23, 2021 15:18:01 GMT -6
Rule Tec and UAD are the best I've heard ITB and truly are lovely processors. I've never done an AB with hardware for a Pultec but I've done lots of other HW/SW ABs and good hardware pretty much always wins handily for my ears. Plus I just love hardware in general (and I'm fine admitting that some of that love is aesthetic). My good buddy has a pair of the Stam Pultecs, they sound lovely. Seems like the AS Pultecs also sound great (no surprise there). My guess (and it's only a guess) is that a carefully done AB with HW Pultecs and SW like UAD or Rule Tec would end up closer than the HW enthusiasts would like to believe and farther apart than the SW enthusiasts would like to believe.
Now that is an interesting way to put it. I got a kick out of that. I bet you're not too far from right. I am funny because I like both hardware and software. I root for the software while knowing the hardware tends to edge it out enough to be worth it.
Now I wonder if I need just another Prometheus or two AS Pultecs...
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Post by ragan on May 23, 2021 15:20:46 GMT -6
Rule Tec and UAD are the best I've heard ITB and truly are lovely processors. I've never done an AB with hardware for a Pultec but I've done lots of other HW/SW ABs and good hardware pretty much always wins handily for my ears. Plus I just love hardware in general (and I'm fine admitting that some of that love is aesthetic). My good buddy has a pair of the Stam Pultecs, they sound lovely. Seems like the AS Pultecs also sound great (no surprise there). My guess (and it's only a guess) is that a carefully done AB with HW Pultecs and SW like UAD or Rule Tec would end up closer than the HW enthusiasts would like to believe and farther apart than the SW enthusiasts would like to believe.
Now that is an interesting way to put it. I got a kick out of that. I bet you're not too far from right. I am funny because I like both hardware and software. I root for the software while knowing the hardware tends to edge it out enough to be worth it.
Now I wonder if I need just another Prometheus or two AS Pultecs...
I'm the same way. I love good SW and can't really work without it. But good HW gets my juices flowing more. And usually sounds better too. |
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Post by forgotteng on May 23, 2021 16:19:26 GMT -6
This video too made me want the audioscape. I had a pair of the warm EQ's, I have a pair of the KT's and 1 single lonely Stam so a pair of the audioscapes is on my upgrade list. I have used plugins and hardware and all I can say is I get there quicker with hardware everytime. Could be psychological but........
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Post by rowmat on May 23, 2021 17:53:12 GMT -6
Even our lowly Warm Audio ‘Pultecs’ sounded better than any of the plug-in versions I tried.
Yes the plugins alter the EQ curves but they miss out on conveying the sense of size and depth.
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Post by forgotteng on May 23, 2021 19:07:25 GMT -6
Even our lowly Warm Audio ‘Pultecs’ sounded better than any of the plug-in versions I tried. Yes the plugins alter the EQ curves but they miss out on conveying the sense of size and depth. I agree. I was literally surprised at how good the Warm Pultecs sounded. I expected to be underwhelmed but I thought they were great. |
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Post by chessparov on May 23, 2021 23:45:32 GMT -6
Damn it Ward for a friend your sure making me want to dip into the boat fund! Not hard to fathom. Chris |
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Post by guitfiddler on May 24, 2021 0:38:20 GMT -6
That was a big enough difference for me to look into this...tbc
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Post by Blackdawg on May 24, 2021 10:53:56 GMT -6
I'd be way more interested if a pair didn't take up 6 freaking u of space. Should be 2u.
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Post by stormymondays on May 24, 2021 11:03:00 GMT -6
I'd be way more interested if a pair didn't take up 6 freaking u of space. Should be 2u. That's called Retro 2A3  VERY recommended! |
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Post by Blackdawg on May 24, 2021 11:16:29 GMT -6
I'd be way more interested if a pair didn't take up 6 freaking u of space. Should be 2u. That's called Retro 2A3 VERY recommended! Oooo very nice! |
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Post by Mister Chase on May 24, 2021 11:24:09 GMT -6
Very nice indeed... two channels... 2u. Whew.
I would be interested in hearing two of the AS against my 500 series Wes Audio. Different beasts but the Wes is very nice.
Also, Pultec makes 500 series units that sound very nice...
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Post by ragan on May 24, 2021 11:26:39 GMT -6
Even our lowly Warm Audio ‘Pultecs’ sounded better than any of the plug-in versions I tried. Yes the plugins alter the EQ curves but they miss out on conveying the sense of size and depth. I agree. I was literally surprised at how good the Warm Pultecs sounded. I expected to be underwhelmed but I thought they were great. I liked mine too. I miss 'em. |
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Post by Vincent R. on May 24, 2021 11:55:00 GMT -6
I'd be way more interested if a pair didn't take up 6 freaking u of space. Should be 2u. It's one of the reasons I've been eying the Tegeler EQP1A for a while. Dual mono EQP1A in a 2U space. |
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Post by drbill on May 24, 2021 15:45:58 GMT -6
I saw that vid. Very, very nice. I'd be curious how the Rule Tec stacks up against a pair of these in a side by side. I do prefer hardware generally. I have messed with the Rule Tec versus my Wes Audio Prometheus but really those are different animals when you are working with a solid state pultec type... plus I think the Wes kind of seems to do it's own kind of Pultec thing(don't they all?) The Ruletec (I own it and the AS EQP's) can do the bottom pretty well, but it can't get the top as sweet as the AS EQP's. |
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Post by drbill on May 24, 2021 15:48:09 GMT -6
I'd be way more interested if a pair didn't take up 6 freaking u of space. Should be 2u. Amen! I'd be on board with that!! |
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Post by Blackdawg on May 24, 2021 19:38:20 GMT -6
I'd be way more interested if a pair didn't take up 6 freaking u of space. Should be 2u. It's one of the reasons I've been eying the Tegeler EQP1A for a while. Dual mono EQP1A in a 2U space. Plus instant recall! |
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VERY recommended!