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Post by Quint on May 11, 2021 8:06:20 GMT -6
So I've been doing some organizing and now have some of my amps on shelves. In a further effort to organize and get stuff off the floor, I was also considering getting clip on goosenecks/clamp on booms to clip onto the shelves for micing amps.
This would get mic stands off the floor and out of the way in front of the amps. I was going to use these goosenecks/booms in conjunction with shockmounts to avoid transmittal of vibrations from the amps to shelves to mics.
Is this asking for trouble? It'd be great to get the floor stands out of the way, but I don't want to introduce additional vibrations. Are proper shockmounts enough to overcome this?
I was kicking around ordering a few clip on goosenecks/booms today, but figured I'd ask here at RGO first.
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Post by ericn on May 11, 2021 9:07:52 GMT -6
So I've been doing some organizing and now have some of my amps on shelves. In a further effort to organize and get stuff off the floor, I was also considering getting clip on goosenecks/clamp on booms to clip onto the shelves for micing amps. This would get mic stands off the floor and out of the way in front of the amps. I was going to use these goosenecks/booms in conjunction with shockmounts to avoid transmittal of vibrations from the amps to shelves to mics. Is this asking for trouble? It'd be great to get the floor stands out of the way, but I don't want to introduce additional vibrations. Are proper shockmounts enough to overcome this? I was kicking around ordering a few clip on goosenecks/booms today, but figured I'd ask here at RGO first. As a rule goosenecks suck! They droop and tend to transmit every little vibration. |
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Post by Quint on May 11, 2021 9:11:57 GMT -6
So I've been doing some organizing and now have some of my amps on shelves. In a further effort to organize and get stuff off the floor, I was also considering getting clip on goosenecks/clamp on booms to clip onto the shelves for micing amps. This would get mic stands off the floor and out of the way in front of the amps. I was going to use these goosenecks/booms in conjunction with shockmounts to avoid transmittal of vibrations from the amps to shelves to mics. Is this asking for trouble? It'd be great to get the floor stands out of the way, but I don't want to introduce additional vibrations. Are proper shockmounts enough to overcome this? I was kicking around ordering a few clip on goosenecks/booms today, but figured I'd ask here at RGO first. As a rule goosenecks suck! They droop and tend to transmit every little vibration. Ive used goosenecks a few times before, and they seem to be "okay", but I would actually prefer a short clamp on style boom for the reason you gave. Goosenecks tend to droop. In any case, regardless of whether I used a gooseneck or a boom, my main question is whether or not a quality shockmount will sufficiently mitigate any effects of being attached to the shelf where the amp sits. I regularly use shockmounts on floor booms, and they work as they should. I just didn't know if I'd be asking too much of a shockmount to expect it to eliminate a much higher degree of vibrations by being attached directly to the amp shelf? |
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Post by ericn on May 11, 2021 10:42:40 GMT -6
Quint,
If the shelf is mounted to the wall a floor boom stand can end up with enough isolation that no shock mount is needed. This is how most of the guys with Amp shelves I know work.
From the old FOH days of doing corporate gigs, it always seamed like Goosenecks were worse than anything else when it came to transmission of vibrations, I knew a guy who tried to dampen one with fiberglass and some other stuff but it never really worked.
All the big mic manufacturers offered cup mounts that their gooseneck mics can sit in to reduce vibrations but I think these are all tuned for the mic because while an AT works great with an AT is sucks with a Shure or AKG mic.
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Post by Quint on May 11, 2021 10:54:08 GMT -6
Quint, If the shelf is mounted to the wall a floor boom stand can end up with enough isolation that no shock mount is needed. This is how most of the guys with Amp shelves I know work. From the old FOH days of doing corporate gigs, it always seamed like Goosenecks were worse than anything else when it came to transmission of vibrations, I knew a guy who tried to dampen one with fiberglass and some other stuff but it never really worked. All the big mic manufacturers offered cup mounts that their gooseneck mics can sit in to reduce vibrations but I think these are all tuned for the mic because while an AT works great with an AT is sucks with a Shure or AKG mic. For the sake of discussion, let's forget about goosenecks. A short boom was always preferable to me anyway. My question is simply this: If I use a boom clamped directly to the shelf, instead of using a floor boom as I have in the past, will a shockmount for the mic sufficiently eliminate vibrations due to coupling between the amp, shelf, and boom? To be clear, I'm trying to find an alternative to using a floor boom, which takes up more space. Hence, my inquiry about using a short boom(s) clamped onto the shelf. It's not that I can't just simply experiment with this. I just figured I'd ask here to see if it was worth even going to the trouble of ordering the booms. Essentially something like this (and just add a shockmount on the mic end): www.samsontech.com/samson/products/accessories/microphone-stands/mba18/ |
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Post by keymod on May 11, 2021 17:23:11 GMT -6
Why not something like the Audix Cabgrabber?
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Post by Quint on May 11, 2021 18:05:44 GMT -6
Why not something like the Audix Cabgrabber? I thought about those, and they would similarly work, as far as a mounting location goes. Shelf or amp would do, though I prefer a shelf mount because it would be easier to just grab the boom and rotate it to a different amp. But what I'm really asking about has to do with avoiding vibration and rumble getting into the signal path. I'm asking if mic shockmounts are capable of eliminating vibrations and rumble when directly attached or coupled to the amp or shelf the amp sits on. It's one thing to have a mic shockmounted on a floor stand. It's another to have a mic shockmounted to a boom directly coupled to the amp, via direct mounting to the amp or the shelf the amp sits on. Or maybe it's not? That's my question. |
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Post by yotonic on May 14, 2021 19:23:54 GMT -6
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Post by Quint on May 16, 2021 1:07:25 GMT -6
I actually just went ahead and purchased three of those same Triad Orbit clamps the other day, along with three short On Stage-brand booms to attach to them. They all arrived today, so it will be fun to get them all mounted. I wanted to spring for the Triad Orbit ball swivels and booms, but I just couldn't justify the additional cost. I think the On Stage booms will work pretty well. I'm still a little worried about how much my shockmounts will be able to kill any vibrations due to being directly attached to the amp shelf, but we shall see. I'd still be curious if anyone has any thoughts related to my original question about shockmounts. |
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