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Post by donr on Apr 23, 2021 15:32:28 GMT -6
Thanks guys for all the great suggestions. I have tried quite a few of these options, guitar amp, driving the tube pres and none quite get me there though they sound great and I love doing those thigns. I'm demoing a cassette emulation plugin and it sounds really close so I'm thinking a lot of what I'm missing is just that Cassette sound, the wow and flutter. I'll try to see if I can grab a cheap Zulu, or I might try to get a Portastudio 246 and see how I can fit it into my workflow but it seems a little overkill for something that is really more of an effect that I'd use sparingly If you record a track into your cassette recorder first, put up a mic and record straight into your DAW as well. Then when you dub the cassette onto the DAW, you'll have a reference to line up waveforms.
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Post by chessparov on Apr 23, 2021 17:17:40 GMT -6
Go to local Pawn shop, find a cheap mixer make lowball offer. You know the last time I was at a Pawn Shop, I tried that. But the local studio guy who was there too, looking at stuff, got real mad when I offered him $20/Hour to mix my tracks. Cash! Chris
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Post by bricejchandler on Apr 24, 2021 0:58:01 GMT -6
Thanks guys for all the great suggestions. I have tried quite a few of these options, guitar amp, driving the tube pres and none quite get me there though they sound great and I love doing those thigns. I'm demoing a cassette emulation plugin and it sounds really close so I'm thinking a lot of what I'm missing is just that Cassette sound, the wow and flutter. I'll try to see if I can grab a cheap Zulu, or I might try to get a Portastudio 246 and see how I can fit it into my workflow but it seems a little overkill for something that is really more of an effect that I'd use sparingly If you record a track into your cassette recorder first, put up a mic and record straight into your DAW as well. Then when you dub the cassette onto the DAW, you'll have a reference to line up waveforms. That is a good tip! I'm wondering, with cassette being what it is, do you think once it's lined up it'll stay that way through the whole take or will it move slightly as the song advances?
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Post by bricejchandler on Apr 24, 2021 1:00:01 GMT -6
Thanks for the suggestions. Yeah the studio I work at has an RCA 77 and 44. Both wonderful mics! Though yeah not cheap! I actually have some Beyer M260s with RCA ribbons and it gets me close! Very cool sounding mics and relatively cheap. Yep, I already have the 635a and I love it!! I'll have to try the 421 with a little distance, I only use it on the occasional heavy guitar. It usually sits in the mic closet. I can imagine how that bite the 421 has could work to give an agressive edge to the sound. Man do I miss my 260. Stolen out of a band mates car who borrowed it a few years ago while he was at a bar. Man that's a bummer. I love my 260s. With the Rca ribbon I think I like them better than the ubiquitous 160s. And they're cheap!
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Post by lpedrum on Apr 24, 2021 17:53:54 GMT -6
I find that "bad" instruments in the hands of great musicians is one of the best ways to sound "lo fi." Magic can happen playing a clunky old arch top or a Casio toy keyboard. Open-minded, great instrumentalists do amazing things with limitation.
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Post by EmRR on Apr 24, 2021 18:00:01 GMT -6
If you record a track into your cassette recorder first, put up a mic and record straight into your DAW as well. Then when you dub the cassette onto the DAW, you'll have a reference to line up waveforms. That is a good tip! I'm wondering, with cassette being what it is, do you think once it's lined up it'll stay that way through the whole take or will it move slightly as the song advances? It's gonna be all over the place. And you'll get free flanging!
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Post by EmRR on Apr 24, 2021 18:02:39 GMT -6
An RCA MI-12241 module or MI-12242 remote amp will do it for sure, the MI-12241 isn't too crazy in price (yet). They both have a tilt EQ that creates some lo-fi band-limited sounds, and you can tilt warp as needed.
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Post by chessparov on Apr 24, 2021 18:12:49 GMT -6
I'll "see" your RCA. And "raise" you an ART Tube MP. You know AKA the Great River killer. (cue "Dirty Deeds Done Cheap") Chris P.S. My VF-14 sounds great in it!
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Post by Blackdawg on Apr 24, 2021 18:30:20 GMT -6
To me this sounds like a job for some Colour modules. Lot of choices there. The DIYRE Colour Duo would be perfect. Two nice preamps with 3 colour slots each to fuck it up how you see fit.
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Post by delichef on Apr 25, 2021 0:30:53 GMT -6
I think it's worth checking out Retro Color RC-20 by xlnaudio. It's not hardware tho.
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Post by ab101 on Apr 25, 2021 0:53:55 GMT -6
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Post by bricejchandler on Apr 25, 2021 7:11:31 GMT -6
It's gonna be all over the place. And you'll get free flanging! I figured, I'll stick to plugins for the cassette effect! Thanks for the preamp suggestions, I will keep my eye out for some of those!
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Post by bricejchandler on Apr 25, 2021 7:12:34 GMT -6
To me this sounds like a job for some Colour modules. Lot of choices there. The DIYRE Colour Duo would be perfect. Two nice preamps with 3 colour slots each to fuck it up how you see fit. I'm actually in the middle of selling off all my 500 series stuff. Maybe I should try these before I don't have a rack anymore. Which module are you using?
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Post by bricejchandler on Apr 25, 2021 7:12:51 GMT -6
I think it's worth checking out Retro Color RC-20 by xlnaudio. It's not hardware tho. I own it! love it!
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Post by craigmorris74 on Apr 25, 2021 8:16:05 GMT -6
I'm going to disagree with the others on the little Shure mixers. If you're wanting a fat version of lo-fi, like a low budget 70s funk sound, these give you that when driven hard.
For a crispier lo-fi sound, cassette 4 track preamps are hard to beat, even without the cassette.
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Post by donr on Apr 25, 2021 8:39:42 GMT -6
If you record a track into your cassette recorder first, put up a mic and record straight into your DAW as well. Then when you dub the cassette onto the DAW, you'll have a reference to line up waveforms. That is a good tip! I'm wondering, with cassette being what it is, do you think once it's lined up it'll stay that way through the whole take or will it move slightly as the song advances? Brice, whether the cassette track lines up, or drifts and you have to segment it, you'll have the DAW track recording to reference instead of having to move it by ear.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2021 9:05:10 GMT -6
I'm going to disagree with the others on the little Shure mixers. If you're wanting a fat version of lo-fi, like a low budget 70s funk sound, these give you that when driven hard. For a crispier lo-fi sound, cassette 4 track preamps are hard to beat, even without the cassette. Link? That Shure sounds sick. Also The Fuse Tascam channel strip is pretty much is a portastudio with the noise reduction working if you want to go digital
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Post by bricejchandler on Apr 25, 2021 9:35:48 GMT -6
I'm going to disagree with the others on the little Shure mixers. If you're wanting a fat version of lo-fi, like a low budget 70s funk sound, these give you that when driven hard. For a crispier lo-fi sound, cassette 4 track preamps are hard to beat, even without the cassette. Link? That Shure sounds sick. Also The Fuse Tascam channel strip is pretty much is a portastudio with the noise reduction working if you want to go digital I forgot about that plugin. I demoed it a while back and I remember really liking it. It's pretty cheap too.
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Post by stormymondays on Apr 25, 2021 9:41:07 GMT -6
There’s a specific Colour module for that, called the Distortastudio.
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Post by Blackdawg on Apr 25, 2021 12:03:49 GMT -6
To me this sounds like a job for some Colour modules. Lot of choices there. The DIYRE Colour Duo would be perfect. Two nice preamps with 3 colour slots each to fuck it up how you see fit. I'm actually in the middle of selling off all my 500 series stuff. Maybe I should try these before I don't have a rack anymore. Which module are you using? Well the colour duo is a rack unit. I think it's better than any 500 series one due to the very unique and cool drawer design. Which allows you to quickly swap colours or tweak any additional colour settings. It's basically a combined CP5 and Pallet x2. There are a ton that trash up the sound. The simple clipper one or the cassette one might be worth trying.
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Post by bricejchandler on Apr 25, 2021 12:20:53 GMT -6
I'm actually in the middle of selling off all my 500 series stuff. Maybe I should try these before I don't have a rack anymore. Which module are you using? Well the colour duo is a rack unit. I think it's better than any 500 series one due to the very unique and cool drawer design. Which allows you to quickly swap colours or tweak any additional colour settings. It's basically a combined CP5 and Pallet x2. There are a ton that trash up the sound. The simple clipper one or the cassette one might be worth trying. Oh that's way better! I'm listening to some clips. I'm definitely liking what I'm hearing. I also really like the fact that I can switch between 3 different options to F up the sound super quickly to see what fits. Very cool How hard is the kit build if you've done it?
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Post by Blackdawg on Apr 25, 2021 12:48:39 GMT -6
Well the colour duo is a rack unit. I think it's better than any 500 series one due to the very unique and cool drawer design. Which allows you to quickly swap colours or tweak any additional colour settings. It's basically a combined CP5 and Pallet x2. There are a ton that trash up the sound. The simple clipper one or the cassette one might be worth trying. Oh that's way better! I'm listening to some clips. I'm definitely liking what I'm hearing. I also really like the fact that I can switch between 3 different options to F up the sound super quickly to see what fits. Very cool How hard is the kit build if you've done it? I have built it. Was one of the first. It's pretty easy. As with all DIYRE stuff it's a very well laid out kit and great instructions. Metal work is fantastic too. It'll take 5 hours if your fast and as long as 10 if you're slower.
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Post by bricejchandler on Apr 25, 2021 12:57:49 GMT -6
Oh that's way better! I'm listening to some clips. I'm definitely liking what I'm hearing. I also really like the fact that I can switch between 3 different options to F up the sound super quickly to see what fits. Very cool How hard is the kit build if you've done it? I have built it. Was one of the first. It's pretty easy. As with all DIYRE stuff it's a very well laid out kit and great instructions. Metal work is fantastic too. It'll take 5 hours if your fast and as long as 10 if you're slower. So 10 hours for me! Any stand out modules?
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Post by Blackdawg on Apr 26, 2021 11:06:49 GMT -6
I have built it. Was one of the first. It's pretty easy. As with all DIYRE stuff it's a very well laid out kit and great instructions. Metal work is fantastic too. It'll take 5 hours if your fast and as long as 10 if you're slower. So 10 hours for me! Any stand out modules? The Duo is my first Colour host so I just started getting them Right now I only have the Mojo Masestro and two Impulse delays and a prototype from Matt(which is siiiiick). Hoping to add more and more!
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Post by ericn on Apr 26, 2021 15:49:18 GMT -6
Always amazes me how expensive some of my favorite “low fi” signal chains are. In the old days it was take a U47 /c12 etc run it through a Neve squash it with an 1176 and then through some Pedals or a TC Fireworx, now sub your favorite destructive plugin.
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