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Post by EmRR on Apr 16, 2021 9:36:45 GMT -6
Rock, pop, folk. Janis Joplin volcanic belter to whispy folk. All stated the treble was the clearest and most realistic, without prompting. I might have picked a different color on some, but had no argument against it, and it was no problem in any case to mix. Wish I'd had funds to keep it.
What they did NOT pick was U67, MK47 Thiersh Blue, 414-BULS, UMT70S, Samar MF-65.
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Post by mcirish on Apr 16, 2021 10:50:30 GMT -6
Very interesting. Thanks for the follow-up.
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Post by drbill on Apr 16, 2021 12:09:03 GMT -6
What they did NOT pick was U67, MK47 Thiersh Blue, 414-BULS, UMT70S, Samar MF-65. I know. Brighter is always better, right?  |
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Post by gouge on Apr 16, 2021 16:47:29 GMT -6
something a little cheaper that's been calling out to me is the earthworks sr314. i may just put a k7 in the nt2 and look at the earthworks. having a tighter pattern is also appealing which the earthworks has. if the samar cap comes into stock i'll get one for the nt1.
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Post by Ward on Apr 16, 2021 17:18:44 GMT -6
What they did NOT pick was U67, MK47 Thiersh Blue, 414-BULS, UMT70S, Samar MF-65. I know. Brighter is always better, right? Odd isn't it . . . the U89 is less bright than many mentioned through this thread with an almost ruler-flat response yet does not get the consideration it deserves. And if it wasn't Ben doing the K89 capsule clone... who was it? Because someone was. |
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Post by gouge on Apr 16, 2021 17:47:16 GMT -6
i'll give Ben a call monday and ask what he can do.
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Post by recordingengineer on Apr 16, 2021 18:20:07 GMT -6
I wasn’t aware anyone has ever done a K89-type. If I had, I would have already had a pair! Please let me know if someone does or did. Would be interesting to hear what Ben has to say about doing one.
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Post by ehrenebbage on Apr 16, 2021 19:11:39 GMT -6
U89's are great for certain things. I like how they handle harmonically complex stuff like piano, brassy singers, and poky acoustic instruments like banjo. Have liked them on fok and toms, too.
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Post by gouge on Apr 16, 2021 19:15:58 GMT -6
not knowing how hard it is to make capsules... is this something a custom builder could easily handle or is the r&d prohibitive for low numbers.
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Post by EmRR on Apr 16, 2021 19:44:41 GMT -6
What they did NOT pick was U67, MK47 Thiersh Blue, 414-BULS, UMT70S, Samar MF-65. I know. Brighter is always better, right? I wouldn’t call it brighter. |
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Post by timcampbell on Apr 16, 2021 19:55:54 GMT -6
It is easy to build this capsule. I have thought about it myself, but there is not a great demand for this so the cost would be prohibitive and it is still available from Neumann. It would be simpler and easier to pick one or two up on the used market. Gouge since you don't seem familiar with this capsule you should at least try to listen to a U89 before going to a lot of trouble. A U89 can be a great mic if you have a large mic locker where you can afford niche microphones but it is certainly not an all round, extremely versatile mic. You could always pick up a Neumann TLM 193 which is a transformerless cardioid only version of that mic with the same capsule cheap.
There are a couple of TLM193's for sale on ebay for about 1000 euros and some U89's for about 1600 euros.
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Post by timcampbell on Apr 16, 2021 19:59:50 GMT -6
I know. Brighter is always better, right? Odd isn't it . . . the U89 is less bright than many mentioned through this thread with an almost ruler-flat response yet does not get the consideration it deserves. And if it wasn't Ben doing the K89 capsule clone... who was it? Because someone was. I have never seen anyone attempt that capsule but Ben makes an M50 capsule which is what you might be thinking of. A few people make the Sony C37 which is similar in design but usually set up to sound brighter. |
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Post by gouge on Apr 16, 2021 20:22:05 GMT -6
It is easy to build this capsule. I have thought about it myself, but there is not a great demand for this so the cost would be prohibitive and it is still available from Neumann. It would be simpler and easier to pick one or two up on the used market. Gouge since you don't seem familiar with this capsule you should at least try to listen to a U89 before going to a lot of trouble. A U89 can be a great mic if you have a large mic locker where you can afford niche microphones but it is certainly not an all round, extremely versatile mic. You could always pick up a Neumann TLM 193 which is a transformerless cardioid only version of that mic with the same capsule cheap.
There are a couple of TLM193's for sale on ebay for about 1000 euros and some U89's for about 1600 euros.
thx Tim, i'll keep an eye out for a 2nd hand capsule, been looking since you mentioned it so fingers crossed. the tlm193 is outside the budget really. in australia it's a very expensive mic. up around 1800aud new and not a lot of second hand around. granted the u89 is an aspirational idea. putting a similar capsule into an nt2 is most likely not going to sound like a neumann. i've got linear mics though. and like them a lot. just don't have a clean great sounding ldc. so not phased what capsule really as long as the end result is a clean, low noise, detailed sound. |
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Post by gouge on Apr 17, 2021 1:44:11 GMT -6
Tim i've been googling c37 capsule clone all afternoon and cannot find any.
Can you let me know Who is making them?
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Post by timcampbell on Apr 17, 2021 5:03:50 GMT -6
Josephson and Tonelux both manufacture that capsule. Dale Ulan used to make this capsule but he got out of the capsule building business.You might even be able to still buy it as a spare part from Sony. Josephson's cost I believe about 700-1000 dollars. I don't think Tonelux sells theirs seperate from their clone C37.
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Post by recordingengineer on Apr 17, 2021 8:38:08 GMT -6
I didn’t know Josephson sells theirs separately... I have a feeling it’s more like: We don’t sells them separately, so don’t tell anyone we sold this to you.
Sony does still sells their capsules, but I can’t get their website to work enough to actually complete a transaction. This means you have to call and you better know the exact part number if you do that... That was my experience from dealing with them some years back. I’ve been wanting to pick up another capsule from them, so I’ll try calling next week and see where things land. Wish me luck, their customer service is notorious!
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Post by chessparov on Apr 17, 2021 13:47:29 GMT -6
For anyone Down Under... I'd take Beesneez very seriously. Also if you could find the original version, of the Rode Classic.
Chris
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Post by recordingengineer on Apr 17, 2021 18:10:32 GMT -6
Agreed... My Beesneez K7 pair are absolutely amazing! I’d like to pick up a few more from Beesneez once they’re able to produce more frequently for DIY again.
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Post by ericn on Apr 17, 2021 19:17:52 GMT -6
I didn’t know Josephson sells theirs separately... I have a feeling it’s more like: We don’t sells them separately, so don’t tell anyone we sold this to you. Sony does still sells their capsules, but I can’t get their website to work enough to actually complete a transaction. This means you have to call and you better know the exact part number if you do that... That was my experience from dealing with them some years back. I’ve been wanting to pick up another capsule from them, so I’ll try calling next week and see where things land. Wish me luck, their customer service is notorious! Call your favorite Sony broadcast dealers parts dept. It will probably cost a small fortune and take a year to get, but that’s Sony, of course if it was a product it would Cost a fortune and take 2 years. |
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Post by recordingengineer on Apr 17, 2021 20:53:36 GMT -6
I ordered a pair by phone in 2014. They were back ordered, but shipped in a couple weeks and arrived without incident from Lardeo, TX to Sacramento, CA.
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Post by gouge on Apr 22, 2021 18:06:42 GMT -6
Out if interest i have a pair of gefell pm860 mics which if they broke id pay the crazy used price to replace them. I love these mics. They work everywhere on everything and stuff gets magic'd.
Was reading some stuff this morning and they were being compared to u89.
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Post by gouge on Apr 26, 2021 0:18:58 GMT -6
i read that the beyer mc740 and mc840 are similar to the u89. is it possible to buy replacement Beyer dynamic capsules?
am slowly figuring out a mod for the nt2 just trying to lock down a capsule, may end up with a c12 capsule.
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Post by ericn on Apr 26, 2021 15:30:39 GMT -6
i read that the beyer mc740 and mc840 are similar to the u89. is it possible to buy replacement Beyer dynamic capsules? am slowly figuring out a mod for the nt2 just trying to lock down a capsule, may end up with a c12 capsule. Most of the large manufacturers will sell capsules as parts, but again your dealer has to look for them as a part not a product SKU, some may not even try to find it because most gear pimps don’t see any commission on parts. Don’t admit your thinking about the capsule for a different mic, if they ask the mic is beat to hell and the serial number is unreadable hence you think a new capsule might help. The large Beyer’s are excellent except they act almost like they have a gate, sometimes this perfect, others you really miss that last bit of decay. Is it the capsule? Not sure. Also I’m going to bet if you were patient enough you could grab a used 740 or even an 840 for close to the price of a new Capsule. |
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Post by gouge on Apr 27, 2021 2:18:23 GMT -6
I think you are right ericn. Seems some people love / hate the mc740 so prices are reasonable second hand.
I spoke to ben at beesneez today. Will send the mic to him for a capsule swap.
Whilst we were talking k47 i think ill get the ck12 capsule.
After he sends it back will replace the electro caps and swap the audio path caps for styro and leave it at that.
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