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Post by gouge on Apr 14, 2021 15:56:24 GMT -6
Other than the usual suspects does anyone sell a capsule designed to be linear and detailed to suit ldc mics?
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Post by Guitar on Apr 14, 2021 18:10:42 GMT -6
I'm testing a Dachman RK12 soon, I'll let you know how it goes, they're more affordable than many of the usual suspects.
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Post by timcampbell on Apr 14, 2021 20:21:59 GMT -6
Well Neumann's U89 capsule used in the TLM 170, U89 and TLM 193 is more linear than many. Gefell and Neumann's measurement capsules are linear and a few are large.
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Post by gouge on Apr 15, 2021 1:43:04 GMT -6
Is there anyone making a capsule like the k89... i have an nt2 and an nt1 that id be intetested to use as a donor mike.
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Post by timcampbell on Apr 15, 2021 3:44:38 GMT -6
I am curios why you are so interested in such a linear capsule. The capsules in the NT1 and NT2 are horrible. Any capsule replacement would improve the top end without making it flat. Those microphones use +70 volts as polarization voltage.
You can often find U89 capsules for sale on ebay. Many people often find them too boring for general pop/rock recordings and that's why you don't see the U89 in widespread use.
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Post by BenjaminAshlin on Apr 15, 2021 4:22:52 GMT -6
I'm testing a Dachman RK12 soon, I'll let you know how it goes, they're more affordable than many of the usual suspects. I think it is the same/similar to the 3U audio or ADK capsules which means its probably a cut above your standard chinese ck12, but pretty far from the original design. Let me know how it sounds because for $99 its is very cheap.
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Post by gouge on Apr 15, 2021 5:07:06 GMT -6
I am curios why you are so interested in such a linear capsule. The capsules in the NT1 and NT2 are horrible. Any capsule replacement would improve the top end without making it flat. Those microphones use +70 volts as polarization voltage. You can often find U89 capsules for sale on ebay. Many people often find them too boring for general pop/rock recordings and that's why you don't see the U89 in widespread use. the nt1 i bought a few years ago and it arrive not working. i got a full refund. the nt2 i've used a bit as a utility vocal mic and on electric guitar. it's a bit crispy but pretty good on electric guitar. last session it started making a noise like someone was blowing across the capsule. so both mics need attention. i could send them to rode for a service or do something different. i've got other mics that are coloured. originally was going to try a k7 capsule. I do like clean mics. i have a few. they work in any situation and especially good on acoustic and electric guitars and female vocals. so i got thinking, why not take a mic that was originally designed to be clean and try to make it a better version of that.
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Post by Guitar on Apr 15, 2021 5:17:58 GMT -6
You might even consider some electret capsules like the JLI Electronics (Trasnsound) large ones, or some of the larger Primo capsules (Japanese brand.) These are popular in the "DIY world." Which is not necessarily overlapped completely with the studio world.
These will have a flatter response than most normal condenser capsules, and are relatively affordable. I personally like the electret sound but some people associate it with budget microphones. There are some expensive electrets out there too, though, like DPA and Earthworks, so it can be done right, with the right circuit and design. But if you truly are chasing flat, electret seems to be the way to go.
I'm building these right now as a hobby, something you may be interested in trying. You might have to change the capsule polarization electronics in your mic before using a capsule like this.
A K67 capsule with proper de-emphasis can be fairly flat, as well. I mean, relatively.
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Post by mcirish on Apr 15, 2021 6:21:19 GMT -6
I have used a K7 in a mod of a Miktek CV4. For my purposes, it worked out great and I'd do that again. Maybe I got lucky but the K7 I got is very smooth. Perfect on an edgey alto.
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Post by timcampbell on Apr 15, 2021 8:16:42 GMT -6
Well now it sounds like you don't want a flat response capsule, you want a workhorse mic with a typical rise in the top end. If U89's were good all around mics you'd find them all over the place. They usually get relegated to string sections and guitar amps.
As I said any decent capsule will improve your mics. You have to keep in mind the polarization voltages. Over time unsupported membranes like a ck12 can collapse from that extra pull.
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Post by Ward on Apr 15, 2021 10:30:57 GMT -6
Is there anyone making a capsule like the k89... i have an nt2 and an nt1 that id be intetested to use as a donor mike. Ben Sneesby of bees knees microphones in Australia is TTBOMK
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Post by Ward on Apr 15, 2021 10:32:48 GMT -6
Well now it sounds like you don't want a flat response capsule, you want a workhorse mic with a typical rise in the top end. If U89's were good all around mics you'd find them all over the place. They usually get relegated to string sections and guitar amps. They are. They are fantastic on Soprano and Tenor voices, great on toms, overheads and room mics, flat on acoustuc guitars. Fab on sax on DYNAMITE on trumpet. I have 3 . . .so far. The problem is we've been conditioned to love 'hype'!!
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Post by timcampbell on Apr 15, 2021 11:43:56 GMT -6
Well now it sounds like you don't want a flat response capsule, you want a workhorse mic with a typical rise in the top end. If U89's were good all around mics you'd find them all over the place. They usually get relegated to string sections and guitar amps. They are. They are fantastic on Soprano and Tenor voices, great on toms, overheads and room mics, flat on acoustuc guitars. Fab on sax on DYNAMITE on trumpet. I have 3 . . .so far. The problem is we've been conditioned to love 'hype'!! True. I used to have a pair of them and used them most often on bright instruments as Neumann originally intended them. I just got tired of later eq'ing them in the mix but on the right source...
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Post by Mister Chase on Apr 15, 2021 12:37:20 GMT -6
Always wanted some 89s as I love my TLM 170s.
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Post by Ward on Apr 15, 2021 13:42:43 GMT -6
Always wanted some 89s as I love my TLM 170s. I'll trade you. Kidding. I would never. Seriously, never.
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Post by Mister Chase on Apr 15, 2021 13:44:01 GMT -6
That much better, eh?
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Post by recordingengineer on Apr 15, 2021 13:44:11 GMT -6
What’s the real sound difference / application difference - between the U89 and TLM170?
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Post by gouge on Apr 15, 2021 16:04:20 GMT -6
Thanks all for the input.
I have a few mics with a rise and a few with a rise and crispy bits.
Will talk to ben about a u89 type cap for the nt2. I guess tlm170 mod.
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Post by timcampbell on Apr 15, 2021 17:02:51 GMT -6
Well I actually just checked and Ben doesn't build anything like that K89 capsule but 3U Audio makes a K67 with a less bright top end.
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Post by recordingengineer on Apr 15, 2021 19:06:03 GMT -6
Might talk to Mark at Samar Audio... He was selling his cardioid-only capsules for his TF10 some time back (don’t know if he still is), but I have 3 and they are absolutely amazing. I still haven’t heard them with the voltage range they were voiced for in design (30-40V), so that’s something to keep in mind, however, I know Mark enjoys and shoots for linearity and you might find some TF10 samples somewhere to get an idea for it.
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Post by EmRR on Apr 15, 2021 19:15:44 GMT -6
Might talk to Mark at Samar Audio... He was selling his cardioid-only capsules for his TF10 some time back (don’t know if he still is), but I have 3 and they are absolutely amazing. I still haven’t heard them with the voltage range they were voiced for in design (30-40V), so that’s something to keep in mind, however, I know Mark enjoys and shoots for linearity and you might find some TF10 samples somewhere to get an idea for it. IF he has one he can sell you NOW, I wouldn't hesitate. I WOULDN'T get on a waiting list. Just me.....
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Post by recordingengineer on Apr 15, 2021 19:55:59 GMT -6
I agree, if you need/want it now... He’s a busy guy. Luckily I’m never in a hurry for anything; I’ve got way too many things to play with already. If I was, I’d go name brand off the shelf stock and move on.
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Post by gouge on Apr 16, 2021 1:14:51 GMT -6
Samar cap looks interesting. Will keep an eye on it.
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Post by EmRR on Apr 16, 2021 7:22:53 GMT -6
Samar cap looks interesting. Will keep an eye on it. I had a demo of the mic, every female singer picked it over everything else.
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Post by mcirish on Apr 16, 2021 7:57:33 GMT -6
Samar cap looks interesting. Will keep an eye on it. I had a demo of the mic, every female singer picked it over everything else. What type of female singers? Alto, soprano, rock or pop? I'm very curious.
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